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If it is the Eagle Rock Entertainment-release we are talking about, it is official !
ERELP 815/1-2 was released 2010 as double vinyl, and was for 6 years the only official release of the soundtrack, - the CD came in 2017
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
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Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
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HenrikBB
If it is the Eagle Rock Entertainment-release we are talking about, it is official !
ERELP 815/1-2 was released 2010 as double vinyl, and was for 6 years the only official release of the soundtrack, - the CD came in 2017
Is that this one you're talking about?
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What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
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HenrikBB
Yes ! - and a funny thing is, that it still is presented here as legit and official.
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Yes ! - and a funny thing is, that it still is presented here as legit and official.
As by yourself: [iorr.org] ?
Maybe it's better to edit previous posts to prevent further misleading informations if there has something turned out as mistake ....
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
Something must have happened in the recording/mixing process for the quadrophonic sound That L&G must be a turd that cannot be polished. They should have used different shows, imo. It sounds like they didn't have the opportunity to mix isolated tracks on the official release.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
Something must have happened in the recording/mixing process for the quadrophonic sound That L&G must be a turd that cannot be polished. They should have used different shows, imo. It sounds like they didn't have the opportunity to mix isolated tracks on the official release.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
Something must have happened in the recording/mixing process for the quadrophonic sound That L&G must be a turd that cannot be polished. They should have used different shows, imo. It sounds like they didn't have the opportunity to mix isolated tracks on the official release.
As someone who has mixed in surround sound (quadraphonic is another name for it) and standard stereo, it sounds to me like they folded down the surround mix from four channels into just two for stereo. Usually, an engineer will create a separate and dedicated stereo mix as well.
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The L&G source is just a not good recording, with the stereo image squashed, the guitars hardly audible mono, and the drums overpowering while still sounding bland and boomy.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
Something must have happened in the recording/mixing process for the quadrophonic sound That L&G must be a turd that cannot be polished. They should have used different shows, imo. It sounds like they didn't have the opportunity to mix isolated tracks on the official release.
As someone who has mixed in surround sound (quadraphonic is another name for it) and standard stereo, it sounds to me like they folded down the surround mix from four channels into just two for stereo. Usually, an engineer will create a separate and dedicated stereo mix as well.
I agree. Indeed they would.
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The early copies in the eighties sounded much better.
No they didn't. The official release is the best, even though it still isn't very good.
Mathijs
Matter of taste then. To me on the official release the guitars sound completely castrated. Like they put plastic foil over it. That producer is quite a control freak
I agree with you on the quality of the official release. But I just listened to half a dozen boots, both on vynil and CD, and they all sounded worse than the official release.
The problem is that the guitars are recorded in mon, and are drowned out by a quite terrible sound representation of the drums. Boxy, boomy, harsh. All the old releases sound quite the same as the official release, but then with more hiss, fluttering and awkward stereo image.
Mathijs
What do you mean by "the guitars are recorded in mono"? Here's a recording of the same tour, just soundboard. It's like you're in the venue, no
plastic foil. It's as pure as it can be. If you mess with it like they did on the official release, to me the magic has gone, too slick . Again,a matter of taste.
Tarrant County Convention Center '72
But that's not what we are discussing here. The discussion is about the official release, which is quite bad sounding on all releases, official and bootleg.
The recording above is supposedly from sessions for the unreleased offical album, and some tracks feature guitar and vocal overdubs. Then there's the Philly Special radio recordings of the three Philly shows, which are in fine stereo but to date all releases are from third or fourth generation copies. The original first generation recordings are yet to be found. There's also the , in my opinion best recording, the soundboard recording from the second Fort Worth show, back then released as Ahmet Artegun We Thank You or something.
Then there is he bad sounding Pittsburgh soundboard, and parts of New York last show of course.
Mathijs
The best recording remains
Sure, this is not the official release. All I want to point out is that the way they edited the official sounds slick to me, I like the raw versions -like I posted -better. The natural dynamics are still there. Don't you hear that unnatural compression on the official? It's worse than the boot I posted, imo. The official's footage, that's what makes L&G more attractive, not the sound quality.
Something must have happened in the recording/mixing process for the quadrophonic sound That L&G must be a turd that cannot be polished. They should have used different shows, imo. It sounds like they didn't have the opportunity to mix isolated tracks on the official release.
As someone who has mixed in surround sound (quadraphonic is another name for it) and standard stereo, it sounds to me like they folded down the surround mix from four channels into just two for stereo. Usually, an engineer will create a separate and dedicated stereo mix as well.
I agree. Indeed they would.
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The L&G source is just a not good recording, with the stereo image squashed, the guitars hardly audible mono, and the drums overpowering while still sounding bland and boomy.
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I saw the first L&G VHS copy in the early/midd 8-tees, our TV was mono at the time. Everything was loud and clear, not good but ok. . I don't know if the original source was as bad as you say here, I have never heard it, but that seems very unlikely to me. . At the time I didn't recognise it's historical value. I wish I still had it.
It sounded something like this, what do you hear (below): A telecaster / Les Paul and Ampegs at it's finest, even with mediocre sound quality. Listen to Happy L&G the last release, what do you hear? Plastic sounding guitars.That's all for now.
Happy '72
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They probably don't have the tapes.
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OpenG
I listen to the Royal Dragon Soundboard the most from the 72/73 boots - the instruments are up front and center and the guitars are in your face.
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I find that hard to believe. Probably Allan Klein related issues.