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What next? Why did Bill remove himself from the cover of RARITIES? Why are there only four thermographic photos on the cover of EMOTIONAL RESCUE? What does it all mean?

Brian’s different image in those photos is totally different than Bill being airbrushed out of a photo

I know, Taylor1, I was just having fun.

The Stones didn't have anything to do with the release of Hot Rocks, so ABKCO would have to answer for that back cover, I guess.

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The Stones didn't have anything to do with the release of Hot Rocks, so ABKCO would have to answer for that back cover, I guess.

That is irrelevant because it was the Stones themselves who decided they would be the poses for the picture

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The Stones didn't have anything to do with the release of Hot Rocks, so ABKCO would have to answer for that back cover, I guess.

That is irrelevant because it was the Stones themselves who decided they would be the poses for the picture

They didn't pick the photos from the shoot for the album, though.

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So Brian smashed a guitar in 1969 that he gave away in late 1965, and after being played throughout the 1970's ended up with full provenance with an UK collector? Wow man.

Brian played both his reverse and non reverse Gibson Firebird VII guitars during the summer 1966 US tour. The Rolling Stones still have the non reverse VII. The reverse VII used in 1966 was the same one he played in 1965. The woodgrain matches.

Lots of collectors have things that aren't or might not be what they believe them to be and they are often very resistant to info which casts doubt regarding what they have, usually, spent a lot of money on.

So, if the provenance say's Brian gave the reverse VII away in late 1965, perhaps that provenance is out by 6 months or it is just dubious.

If anyone is interested: I found the pics and the name of the collector who owns Brian's 1963 Firebird VII that he bought from a direct link to the Stones.

If someone can upload the pics to IORR I will add the information I have.

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His Majesty, how come on the Flowers Album, Brian is the only flower stem with no pedals? Why on the back cover of Hot Rocks is he the only one who looks like he is about to fall off the wall.Also, on the inner sleeve of Beggar’s, Mick and Keith are enjoying the Banquet while Brian looks frustrated with a dog jumping on him.In the Child of the Moon video he is not with the band,but peering behind a tree.And on the Through the Past Darkly album photo., he is the only one lying on the ground with his eyes open.Were these inside jokes?

not a real answer (and his majesty please come back) but i also wonder why brian in the child of the moon video is creepily learing from behind a tree

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The Firebird now has a refinished body, all else original. Patterns of the inlays and grain of the wood match with Brian's guitar.

Mathijs

Believe it when I see it, but I won't see it.

Who refinishes a guitar with such a connection? You previously said the wood grain wasn't visible because of the refinish. I asked how do they know it's Brian's then?

As it turns out, it was not refinished but had a broken headstock only. It was Keith's Flying V that had refinish work done.



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Sorry if this has been posted before

Unfortunately, just clickbait. Any video that ends with "the answer will shock you" or a variant is a guarantee there is zero content worth watching unless you have a fondness for computer narration.

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Unfortunately, just clickbait. Any video that ends with "the answer will shock you" or a variant is a guarantee there is zero content worth watching unless you have a fondness for computer narration.

I'm sorry. Not my intention to post clickbait on this site. Just some nice footage imo.

I didn't mean you. I meant the video. I've been suckered by these more than once. What's promised is never delivered.

Another great video from the Yesterday's Papers youtube channel.

From the video description: "A week after the release of the Rolling Stones' "Aftermath", Melody Maker asks Brian Jones about his opinions on Mick Jagger, sitars, marriage, Andrew Oldham or Charlie Watts, among many other topics. He is even asked about Barbara Streisand (?!?!)"

Pretty interesting stuff!

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Too bad he couldn't have done his experimentation with other instruments, AND continued evolving on guitar. He always seems intelligent what few serious interviews I've read. Thanks for posting.

Barbara Streisand was quite a sensation right about then, as a singer, cultural icon of sorts and a beautiful woman with a big nose. The Rolling Stones were direct competitors on top 10 radio. So it was a timely reference that probably doesn't really make sense nowadays.

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Barbara Streisand was quite a sensation right about then, as a singer, cultural icon of sorts and a beautiful woman with a big nose. The Rolling Stones were direct competitors on top 10 radio. So it was a timely reference that probably doesn't really make sense nowadays.

jb

We forget what a jumble pop radio was in those days. It was actually glorious, and really opened you up to different styles.

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Barbara Streisand was quite a sensation right about then, as a singer, cultural icon of sorts and a beautiful woman with a big nose. The Rolling Stones were direct competitors on top 10 radio. So it was a timely reference that probably doesn't really make sense nowadays.

jb

Beauty is in the mind of the beholder (or is it said differently?). BS is absolutely not my perception of beauty . The likes of Brigitte Bardot in those days are still in my mind (I understood some of the Stones also had a crush on her). I would have prefered Brian's voice answering those questions.


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Too bad he couldn't have done his experimentation with other instruments, AND continued evolving on guitar.

I totally agree. He pretty much stopped caring about guitar around that time (66/67).

Hi there

The live footage that starts at 3.45 I have never seen before. Can someone identify where and when it was taken as it looks like 64/65 footage which is always quite rare. Would be interesting to see if there is more footage out there of that show.

Regards, Brendon from NZ

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Too bad he couldn't have done his experimentation with other instruments, AND continued evolving on guitar.

I totally agree. He pretty much stopped caring about guitar around that time (66/67).

Does he even play guitar on Aftermath? Is that him on slide on Doncha Bother Me, or Keith? Slide was supposed to be Brian's exclusive territory, but I'm not sure he's playing it there.

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Does he even play guitar on Aftermath? Is that him on slide on Doncha Bother Me, or Keith? Slide was supposed to be Brian's exclusive territory, but I'm not sure he's playing it there.

He did play guitar on Aftermath and it's him playing slide on DBM and MLH.

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Does he even play guitar on Aftermath? Is that him on slide on Doncha Bother Me, or Keith? Slide was supposed to be Brian's exclusive territory, but I'm not sure he's playing it there.

He did play guitar on Aftermath and it's him playing slide on DBM and MLH.

So this not true?

The strange guitar sound is) a 12-string with a slide on it. It's played slightly Oriental-ish. The track just needed something to make it twang. Otherwise, the song was quite vaudeville in a way. I wanted to add some nice bite to it. And it was just one of those things where someone walked in and, Look, it's an electric 12-string. It was some gashed-up job. No name on it. God knows where it came from. Or where it went. But I put it together with a bottleneck. Then we had a riff that tied the whole thing together. And I think we overdubbed onto that. Because I played an acoustic guitar as well.

- Keith Richards, 2002

In Youtube link below we can hear Brian playing slide on 12 string live in 1966 on Mother's Little Helper just as he did on the studio recording.





There is also a photo at Hollywood Bowl from same tour showing Brian with 12 string and a slide on his pinky.

There are two guitars playing the motif on the studio recording. One without slide and one with. Brian at the very least played the slide part. The 12 string guitar motif on Mother's Little Helper is very similar to Brian's 12 string guitar motif on Get off of My Cloud. A sign that not only did he play it on MLH, but that it was probably also his idea.

The Keith quote/claim about MLH comes from a period in early 2000's I think where he seemed to neglect to mention Brian in his memories. Even the bit about brand of guitar is probably wrong. It was most likely their Rickenbacker.

When asked about slide guitar on Aftermath Bill said "If there's slide there, it's Brian."



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OK...choose to believe Keef or to believe "His Majesty" who posts video that is no longer available as his proof.

Well, I know which one I would believe.

jb

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In Youtube link below we can hear Brian playing slide on 12 string live in 1966 on Mother's Little Helper just as he did on the studio recording.





There is also a photo at Hollywood Bowl from same tour showing Brian with 12 string and a slide on his pinky.

There are two guitars playing the motif on the studio recording. One without slide and one with. Brian at the very least played the slide part. The 12 string guitar motif on Mother's Little Helper is very similar to Brian's 12 string guitar motif on Get off of My Cloud. A sign that not only did he play it on MLH, but that it was probably also his idea.

The Keith quote/claim about MLH comes from a period in early 2000's I think where he seemed to neglect to mention Brian in his memories. Even the bit about brand of guitar is probably wrong. It was most likely their Rickenbacker.

When asked about slide guitar on Aftermath Bill said "If there's slide there, it's Brian."

We all know that Brian played it live (a bit more wonky). We also know that Keith didn't play slide in concert prior to 1969.

There were many Keith-parts he chose not to play in concert.

It does sound (to me, anyway) that Keith remember specifically that he did the slide in the studio, though.

Jbwelda: If there is one guy to trust about Brian and the 1960s Stones, it would be His Majesty.

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OK...choose to believe Keef or to believe "His Majesty" who posts video that is no longer available as his proof.

Well, I know which one I would believe.

jb

Your forgot Bill.

Keith never lies or mis-remembers?

Video is still available here, must be blocked in US for copyright reasons. Just seek out stones Honolulu gig from 66 to hear it anyway.

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We all know that Brian played it live (a bit more wonky).

It's not more wonky as such, it's just without the thickening/doubling of none slide guitar.



Nothing stopping Keith playing the motif live without slide as per one of the 2 guitars if it was his part/idea. Brian went to the bother of playing it live with slide on 12 string because he had done so on studio version.

Maybe Keith just mis-remembered in 2002. A one time utterance about who played a part on a song from 1965 is not exactly a testimony of absolute fact. Reality is Keith played the basic upper octave melody heard coming in after first verse or whatever with Jack playing the main piano throughout.

Here he is in 1982 not mentioning Jack Nitzsche re LSTNT. Imagine if this was only time he talked about it. Some would just take it as fact that the piano is Keith. LOL.

"Yeah, I played piano on Let's Spend the Night Together, and then I overdubbed the guitar."

- Keith Richards, 1982

Keith's gospel. DO NOT QUESTION OR CONSIDER OTHER FACTORS!



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OK...choose to believe Keef or to believe "His Majesty" who posts video that is no longer available as his proof.

Well, I know which one I would believe.

jb

I'm sure you read Keith' book "Life". Very enjoyable read, but .... not everything deserved the title "true".
The part that annoyed me most was that Keith allowed his ghost writer to tell that it was Mick Avory who played the drums at the Marquee Club on July 12 1962.
Mick Avory was n-e-v-e-r a member of the Rollin' Stones! He rehearsed with the pre-Stones only twice during the late Spring time in 1962, was asked by phone later if he could help out on that July 12 day, but soon after got a second call with "Thanks anyway, but we're fine with a drummer" (Tony Chapman turned up after all).
Nobody is perfect, but you can rely on His Majesty ...


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We all know that Brian played it live (a bit more wonky).

It's not more wonky as such, it's just without the thickening/doubling of none slide guitar.



Nothing stopping Keith playing the motif live without slide as per one of the 2 guitars if it was his part/idea. Brian went to the bother of playing it live with slide on 12 string because he had done so on studio version.

Maybe Keith just mis-remembered in 2002. A one time utterance about who played a part on a song from 1965 is not exactly a testimony of absolute fact. Reality is Keith played the basic upper octave melody heard coming in after first verse or whatever with Jack playing the main piano throughout.

Here he is in 1982 not mentioning Jack Nitzsche re LSTNT. Imagine if this was only time he talked about it. Some would just take it as fact that the piano is Keith. LOL.

"Yeah, I played piano on Let's Spend the Night Together, and then I overdubbed the guitar."

- Keith Richards, 1982

Keith's gospel. DO NOT QUESTION OR CONSIDER OTHER FACTORS!

Here you're just guessing

Keith could have played the piano, but not on the final take.

And Brian is playing it less precise (frets) than the guitar on the studio version. That would be natural, though, as we hear only one concert version. Had we had several version to judge by this would have been easier.

That being said, Keith says a lot of bullshit. I don't know why he would specifically say he played an overdubbed slide and acoustic guitar, though.

Sounds like he added the slide to Brian's slide-less riff to me.