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In 'White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day' book, there's a mention from November 1965 of Al Aronowitz stopping by Angus Maclaise's Grand St apartment to discuss managing the Velvets, while Brian waited in Al's limo outside:
"Some sort of management meeting does seem to take place at some point in Grand Street, however, after which John Cale finagles a ride in the limo to ask Brian Jones whether Vox’s new line of guitar/organ hybrids actually work. (“No,” says Jones.)"
You can play this thing with a plectrum that's connected to the circuit. When you pick the string it grounds and it makes synth sounds. I have always suspected the ping sound on Keith's guitar on Citadel to be made with such a gizzmo.
Mathijs
cool
judging from the photo it looks like he's listing to revenge
Very powerful performance. Thanks for sharing.
How fabulous a musician Brian was, on guitar he was in my opinion really mediocre, bordering on amateurish level. Only his intro guitar to The Last Time is interesting from a guitar players point of view, but just about anything else is basic schoolbook guitar.
Mathijs
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The slide is clearly Keith. It's totally his style, that of a non-slide player. That's why it is so interesting, and also the reason he abandoned it so quickly. It's fairly similar to his slide playing on Till the Next Goodbye.
Mathijs
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The easiest way to distinguish Brian's and Keith's slide playing is to listen for vibrato, which is totally absent in Keith's playing.
Love In Vain has soul and style, but lacks vibrato.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-08 13:23 by DandelionPowderman.
All those examples you put here are what I find extremely minimalistic guitar playing. Sure it suits the track, but from a guitar players point of view, from a technical skill point of view, it is very, very basic playing. Simple straight ahead chord picking, or straight ahead 12 bar boogie.
I find Brian truly one of the all-time greats on harp, and he as incredible in coming up with parts on whatever instrument he could find, especially the Mellotron.
But guitar...Of all his guitar playing he was great to me on The Last Time, he did a great slide solo on I Wanna Be Your Man, Little Red Rooster is fantastic, then there's No Expectations, and what else? His slide playing on Still a Fool is haunting and great, but that's really all there is to me.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-08 15:10 by Mathijs.
The use of saying it here is the very fruits of your own work. I think the isolations, and you playing his parts on various instruments, is an absolutely great job of helping understand Brian as a musician. Thank you for that.
When I said it in previous threads, without the isolations, I was quite alone in my assessment of Brian's guitar skills. Now with the isolations I feel that I am more supported in my opinion of Brian's guitar skills. And on a message board, where Brian's work is often praised as being close to magic, I think it is a good counter to share different opinions as well.
Mathijs
Great point, Dandy!
And His Majesty - yes, I hadn't thought of You Got the Silver similarities.
Thanks both.
-swiss
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-09 02:37 by Taylor1.
Only on the non-slide solo on CB and the slide solo on VB (both played by Taylor).
You really have to remind me on this, as far as I remember there are no parts played by Brian that I thought was Keith. If I recall well, I only doubted the intro to The Last Time, as this is unlike Brian in my opinion.
Mathijs
This thread and your web site are really good His Majesty. Thank you for all hard work.
Mathijs.......anyone who could doubt who played the intro to The Last Time is showing their age imho because if you were there in the 60s and saw the Stones live you would know it was Brian through and through and Keith was rhythm plus the solo lead in the middle. I am sorry you missed that, they were great concerts where the Stones were right in your face.
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: August 20, 2023 17:27
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I wonder if Brian has seen /was aware of this.
Sorry, I thought it was the first guitar synthesiser ever.
Given the Stones connection to Vox I'm sure he was.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: August 20, 2023 22:24
Majesty, your isolations of Street Fighting Man are awesome!
That drum/percussion sounds incredible. The whole song sounds incredible, and I already knew that for decades, but this reveals new dimensions in it, at least sound and production-wise.
Impressive that you managed to sort out the sitar and tanpura separately. It's really the droning tanpura that's most obvious in the original mix. Years ago, I guessed that Brian played that horn sound (the shenai), until I learned about Dave Mason's contribution.
That drum/percussion sounds incredible. The whole song sounds incredible, and I already knew that for decades, but this reveals new dimensions in it, at least sound and production-wise.
Impressive that you managed to sort out the sitar and tanpura separately. It's really the droning tanpura that's most obvious in the original mix. Years ago, I guessed that Brian played that horn sound (the shenai), until I learned about Dave Mason's contribution.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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automaticchanger
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Date: August 21, 2023 14:56
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TheflyingDutchman
I wonder if Brian has seen /was aware of this.
Sorry, I thought it was the first guitar synthesiser ever.
Given the Stones connection to Vox I'm sure he was.
In 'White Light/White Heat: The Velvet Underground Day by Day' book, there's a mention from November 1965 of Al Aronowitz stopping by Angus Maclaise's Grand St apartment to discuss managing the Velvets, while Brian waited in Al's limo outside:
"Some sort of management meeting does seem to take place at some point in Grand Street, however, after which John Cale finagles a ride in the limo to ask Brian Jones whether Vox’s new line of guitar/organ hybrids actually work. (“No,” says Jones.)"
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: August 21, 2023 17:25
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TheflyingDutchman
I wonder if Brian has seen /was aware of this.
Sorry, I thought it was the first guitar synthesiser ever.
You can play this thing with a plectrum that's connected to the circuit. When you pick the string it grounds and it makes synth sounds. I have always suspected the ping sound on Keith's guitar on Citadel to be made with such a gizzmo.
Mathijs
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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HalfNanker
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Date: August 21, 2023 21:16
Where can we watch/stream the Brian Jones doc in the states??
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: August 23, 2023 15:00
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 5, 2023 17:04
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 5, 2023 21:12
Brian's parts on "Lady Jane", "Out of Time", "Under My Thumb" and "Citadel" (sax) seem too much like mellotron "stops" / "loops" actually
btw, you don't have to be a skilled performer on tamboura, it could be played with a single hand only.
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btw, you don't have to be a skilled performer on tamboura, it could be played with a single hand only.
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 5, 2023 21:24
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 6, 2023 04:50
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Brian Jones and Bent Rej’s daughter Cathrine Rej.
Brian is listening to side 2 of The Kinks debut album. Here is a playlist of the album: [youtube.com]
Photo: Bent Rej.
Thanks to Stuart Penney and Grant McPhee for helping to identify the record.
cool
judging from the photo it looks like he's listing to revenge
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 6, 2023 19:26
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 7, 2023 15:56
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His Majesty
Brian Jones - rhythm guitar - Paint It Black.
Here is a live version from Brian's last live performance in USA. Note he plays the rhythm guitar, utilising much of the same rhythmic techniques he played on the studio recording.
The Rolling Stones - Paint It Black (live):
Recorded Live at the Honolulu International Center, Hawaii, USA - July 28th, 1966.
Very powerful performance. Thanks for sharing.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: September 8, 2023 04:27
[youtu.be]
You surely know about this particular recording. It's one of the rare times we are able to clearly hear Brian on guitar, live-ish.
Brian, and Mick Taylor are remembered for other sides of their musicianship, but both of them IMO are phenomenal rhythm guitarists.
You surely know about this particular recording. It's one of the rare times we are able to clearly hear Brian on guitar, live-ish.
Brian, and Mick Taylor are remembered for other sides of their musicianship, but both of them IMO are phenomenal rhythm guitarists.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by:
swiss
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Date: September 8, 2023 04:58
His Majesty - qq: is there any slight remote possibility that Brian played the slide part in Love in Vain? I was listening to the isolated slide part last night and I thought...that sounds unlike any slide part KR has played, or even played on Let It Bleed. I know in May 1968 recording sessions at Olympic, Love In Vain was played (with possibly early recorded takes).
-swiss
-swiss
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by:
Mathijs
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Date: September 8, 2023 10:00
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Palace Revolution 2000
[youtu.be]
You surely know about this particular recording. It's one of the rare times we are able to clearly hear Brian on guitar, live-ish.
Brian, and Mick Taylor are remembered for other sides of their musicianship, but both of them IMO are phenomenal rhythm guitarists.
How fabulous a musician Brian was, on guitar he was in my opinion really mediocre, bordering on amateurish level. Only his intro guitar to The Last Time is interesting from a guitar players point of view, but just about anything else is basic schoolbook guitar.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-08 10:43 by Mathijs.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: September 8, 2023 10:03
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swiss
His Majesty - qq: is there any slight remote possibility that Brian played the slide part in Love in Vain? I was listening to the isolated slide part last night and I thought...that sounds unlike any slide part KR has played, or even played on Let It Bleed. I know in May 1968 recording sessions at Olympic, Love In Vain was played (with possibly early recorded takes).
-swiss
The slide is clearly Keith. It's totally his style, that of a non-slide player. That's why it is so interesting, and also the reason he abandoned it so quickly. It's fairly similar to his slide playing on Till the Next Goodbye.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-08 10:43 by Mathijs.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 8, 2023 11:52
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 8, 2023 12:14
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 8, 2023 13:22
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swiss
His Majesty - qq: is there any slight remote possibility that Brian played the slide part in Love in Vain? I was listening to the isolated slide part last night and I thought...that sounds unlike any slide part KR has played, or even played on Let It Bleed. I know in May 1968 recording sessions at Olympic, Love In Vain was played (with possibly early recorded takes).
-swiss
The easiest way to distinguish Brian's and Keith's slide playing is to listen for vibrato, which is totally absent in Keith's playing.
Love In Vain has soul and style, but lacks vibrato.
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: September 8, 2023 14:16
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When he was inspired and/or in the mood, Brian could be great on guitar and play interesting and effective parts that helped make things come alive. There are times and recordings where he seems to not be in the mood and gives kinda minimal effort type parts and playing.
All those examples you put here are what I find extremely minimalistic guitar playing. Sure it suits the track, but from a guitar players point of view, from a technical skill point of view, it is very, very basic playing. Simple straight ahead chord picking, or straight ahead 12 bar boogie.
I find Brian truly one of the all-time greats on harp, and he as incredible in coming up with parts on whatever instrument he could find, especially the Mellotron.
But guitar...Of all his guitar playing he was great to me on The Last Time, he did a great slide solo on I Wanna Be Your Man, Little Red Rooster is fantastic, then there's No Expectations, and what else? His slide playing on Still a Fool is haunting and great, but that's really all there is to me.
Mathijs
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-08 15:10 by Mathijs.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 8, 2023 14:27
His guitar playing on Mona deserves a mention, imo.
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His Majesty
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Date: September 8, 2023 16:10
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: September 8, 2023 17:34
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Sure it suits the track...
Ta-da.
You don't have to tell us the same thing over and over and over and turn every Brian Jones thread in to some debate about his technical level on guitar. In this instance bumping off interesting isolations etc that I have spent a lot of time on that don't just tell us stuff about Brian, but, also Keith etc.
Most of the time Brian's playing suites the track and gives Keith space to do his thing, or merges with Keith's playing for a nice unified sound. To many people the Stones are amateur sounding and not technically challenging at all. What use would come from having that said in every Stones thread?
The use of saying it here is the very fruits of your own work. I think the isolations, and you playing his parts on various instruments, is an absolutely great job of helping understand Brian as a musician. Thank you for that.
When I said it in previous threads, without the isolations, I was quite alone in my assessment of Brian's guitar skills. Now with the isolations I feel that I am more supported in my opinion of Brian's guitar skills. And on a message board, where Brian's work is often praised as being close to magic, I think it is a good counter to share different opinions as well.
Mathijs
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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His Majesty
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Date: September 9, 2023 00:49
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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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swiss
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Date: September 9, 2023 01:39
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DandelionPowderman
The easiest way to distinguish Brian's and Keith's slide playing is to listen for vibrato, which is totally absent in Keith's playing.
Love In Vain has soul and style, but lacks vibrato.
Great point, Dandy!
And His Majesty - yes, I hadn't thought of You Got the Silver similarities.
Thanks both.
-swiss
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Taylor1
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Date: September 9, 2023 02:30
Is there vibrato on Jigsaw Puzzle and Salt if the Earth?What about Till The Next Good bye ,Casino Boogie , Ventilator Blues?Quote
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DandelionPowderman
The easiest way to distinguish Brian's and Keith's slide playing is to listen for vibrato, which is totally absent in Keith's playing.
Love In Vain has soul and style, but lacks vibrato.
Great point, Dandy!
And His Majesty - yes, I hadn't thought of You Got the Silver similarities.
Thanks both.
-swiss
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2023-09-09 02:37 by Taylor1.
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: September 9, 2023 09:26
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Taylor1Is there vibrato on Jigsaw Puzzle and Salt if the Earth?What about Till The Next Good bye ,Casino Boogie , Ventilator Blues?Quote
swissQuote
DandelionPowderman
The easiest way to distinguish Brian's and Keith's slide playing is to listen for vibrato, which is totally absent in Keith's playing.
Love In Vain has soul and style, but lacks vibrato.
Great point, Dandy!
And His Majesty - yes, I hadn't thought of You Got the Silver similarities.
Thanks both.
-swiss
Only on the non-slide solo on CB and the slide solo on VB (both played by Taylor).
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Mathijs
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Date: September 9, 2023 13:22
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His Majesty
Parts you previously thought were by Keith and never criticised suddenly become mediocre when you find out it's played by Brian.
You really have to remind me on this, as far as I remember there are no parts played by Brian that I thought was Keith. If I recall well, I only doubted the intro to The Last Time, as this is unlike Brian in my opinion.
Mathijs
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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TheflyingDutchman
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Date: September 9, 2023 13:27
Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
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Date: September 9, 2023 14:03
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His Majesty
Parts you previously thought were by Keith and never criticised suddenly become mediocre when you find out it's played by Brian.
You really have to remind me on this, as far as I remember there are no parts played by Brian that I thought was Keith. If I recall well, I only doubted the intro to The Last Time, as this is unlike Brian in my opinion.
Mathijs
This thread and your web site are really good His Majesty. Thank you for all hard work.
Mathijs.......anyone who could doubt who played the intro to The Last Time is showing their age imho because if you were there in the 60s and saw the Stones live you would know it was Brian through and through and Keith was rhythm plus the solo lead in the middle. I am sorry you missed that, they were great concerts where the Stones were right in your face.
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