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Redhotcarpet
They did a sponge job on Cooder. But of course we as fans should pretend that never happened.
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Redhotcarpet
I think my point is noone (maybe Brian) showed Keith a tuning. He studied a style and he cooied licks, riffs, rhythms and used it in songs. This goeas against the image of Keith learning a tuning and then coming up with everything by accident. Again nothing wrong in that, he had his own style and came up with new ground breaking stuff. Fans have a hard time imagining their hero listening to a recorded guitar part, trying to figured it out. It’s a provocative scene, more so than the heroin, the car crashes or ”saving Anita”.
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Redhotcarpet
I think my point is noone (maybe Brian) showed Keith a tuning. He studied a style and he cooied licks, riffs, rhythms and used it in songs. This goeas against the image of Keith learning a tuning and then coming up with everything by accident. Again nothing wrong in that, he had his own style and came up with new ground breaking stuff. Fans have a hard time imagining their hero listening to a recorded guitar part, trying to figured it out. It’s a provocative scene, more so than the heroin, the car crashes or ”saving Anita”.
The hero thing is a cop out. This is musical.
Much of this style was already in place before he'd even met Ry Cooder.
Ry is one small part in a long line of influences.
We could spend a long time picking out parts from pre Cooder Rolling Stones recordings that shows the development of his 'signature' sound.
The main source is Chuck Berry. He is Keith's core template for lead and rhythm. Keith most notably refined this and blended in other influences and created a distinctive heart beat that is a large and defining part of The Rolling Stones sound.
You can even hear this distinctive rhythmic phrasing in his kazoo playing from 1966.
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Mathijs
Agree the main source is Chuck Berry. but by 1965, after the various American tours he really started to incorporate country influences in his playing, especially in his acoustic approach. Sitting on A Fence of course, but also the way he started to use the acoustic as a backup on things like High and Dry and Think. He became a fine finger picker that went beyond blues and Berry.
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Redhotcarpet
More than three licks. ”I took Ry Cooder for all I could get” said Keith.
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More than three licks. ”I took Ry Cooder for all I could get” said Keith.
Keith has said a lot of things over the years.
'all I could get' maybe doesn't mean quite what you appear to want it to mean.
The 'all' doesn't appear to have been all that much.
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DandelionPowderman
"All I could get" may also mean just one lick (if he didn't master more)
What was the third lick, btw?
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TheflyingDutchman
All I can say is that the Stones would have sounded different if Chuck Berry was never born.
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Spud
Never mind the Stones ...
the whole genre of "Rock" music would have sounded different if Chuck Berry had never been born .
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wonderboy
...Later Keith developed another sound -- those jazzy ballads like All About You -- that some find boring but I wish he had done more of.
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Mathijs
...There's so many riffs he made of little phrases that thousands of us mortal guitarist have played on the couch a million times, but Keith is able to recognize the song in that tired old riff.... Mathijs
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Mathijs
I think Keith's one and only true talent is to create. To write songs, melodies, riff's, lead lines, basically to create something that wasn't there before.
There's so many riffs he made of of little phrases that thousands of us mortal guitarist have played on the couch a million times, but Keith is able to recognize the song in that tired old riff. That's his biggest talent.
He never ripped Cooder off. He took a little riff, a simple slide, and created the intro to Tumbling Dice, which in all essence is truly unique. Same for CYHMK, Casino Boogie, All Down the Line -all based on that couple of licks he got from Cooder, but created into a new and unique body of work.
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I think Keith's one and only true talent is to create. To write songs, melodies, riff's, lead lines, basically to create something that wasn't there before.
There's so many riffs he made of of little phrases that thousands of us mortal guitarist have played on the couch a million times, but Keith is able to recognize the song in that tired old riff. That's his biggest talent.
He never ripped Cooder off. He took a little riff, a simple slide, and created the intro to Tumbling Dice, which in all essence is truly unique. Same for CYHMK, Casino Boogie, All Down the Line -all based on that couple of licks he got from Cooder, but created into a new and unique body of work.
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exactly. This has always been my answer to Bill Wyman's claim that he wrote 'Jumpin Jack Flash". There are millions of musicians out there noodling, jamming, pros and amateurs. And every one of them will play a cool lick here and there. On a guitar, a bass, a piano.
What sets the writers, the visionaries apart, are the ones who recognize the song in there, the potential that is locked in there.
Bill may have very well played that lick for the first time. But it never would have left the room; had Keith not heard it and picked it up. I am positive Bill knows this.
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Redhotcarpet
Haha, of course. Wyman came up with the riff to JJF. He never said he wrote the song.
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Mathijs
I think Keith's one and only true talent is to create. To write songs, melodies, riff's, lead lines, basically to create something that wasn't there before.
There's so many riffs he made of of little phrases that thousands of us mortal guitarist have played on the couch a million times, but Keith is able to recognize the song in that tired old riff. That's his biggest talent.
He never ripped Cooder off. He took a little riff, a simple slide, and created the intro to Tumbling Dice, which in all essence is truly unique. Same for CYHMK, Casino Boogie, All Down the Line -all based on that couple of licks he got from Cooder, but created into a new and unique body of work.
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I think Keith's one and only true talent is to create. To write songs, melodies, riff's, lead lines, basically to create something that wasn't there before.
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Mathijs
I think Keith's one and only true talent is to create. To write songs, melodies, riff's, lead lines, basically to create something that wasn't there before.
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And the wind cries mary.
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TheflyingDutchman
I just wonder to what extent Keith was influenced by jimi hendrix's guitar playing from lets say 1964 and onwards.
As far as I know Keith never talked about it or acknowledged it. Someone correct me if I am wrong.