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They did a sponge job on Cooder.
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Redhotcarpet
They did a sponge job on Cooder. But of course we as fans should pretend that never happened.
It's the same as open D; just a step up. Some guitars don't do well like that; others (like my damn Gretsch) don't do well in Open D because it all gets loosey.Quote
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What about open E?
E - B - E - G# - B - E
Did the Stones use that on any tunes?
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Redhotcarpet
They did a sponge job on Cooder. But of course we as fans should pretend that never happened.
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Redhotcarpet
They did a sponge job on Cooder. But of course we as fans should pretend that never happened.
So what?
They also did a sponge job of a plethora of blues, soul and reggae artists, chuck berry, the meters, etc etc etc
The result is that in the music of the Stones there is a little bit of everything. It's the mix that makes them original
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Redhotcarpet
Tunings is not what I was talking about, I mean actual riffs, licks etc.
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Redhotcarpet
They did a sponge job on Cooder. But of course we as fans should pretend that never happened.
So what?
They also did a sponge job of a plethora of blues, soul and reggae artists, chuck berry, the meters, etc etc etc
The result is that in the music of the Stones there is a little bit of everything. It's the mix that makes them original
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They invited the unknown Chuck Berry to the studio, recorded him snd used his material in their songs?
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Redhotcarpet
Tunings is not what I was talking about, I mean actual riffs, licks etc.
Do you think that Keith in 1969 (the best creative year of his entire life) needed to borrow riffs from someone else?
(this is not a personal attack this is a genuine question I ask...).
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Ask Keith, 1969 is the year he records Ry. 1968 is the year Mick works with Ry on Memo. Miller also helped of course. Here’s the blueprint for YCAGWYW:
video: [youtu.be] Listen to the guitar lick. Nothing wrong in that but yes great artists steal. It’s a method. Dunno why this upsets fans to this day.
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Redhotcarpet
Ask Keith, 1969 is the year he records Ry. 1968 is the year Mick works with Ry on Memo. Miller also helped of course. Here’s the blueprint for YCAGWYW:
video: [youtu.be] Listen to the guitar lick. Nothing wrong in that but yes great artists steal. It’s a method. Dunno why this upsets fans to this day.
You are forgetting that Keith is shown playing something in Brian's Courtfield Road flat in January 1967 that sounds like the beginnings of YCAGWYW.
But, it's two common as muck chords used by millions anyway.
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Open tunings go back as far as the 19th century, the Banjo. That's were the open tunings on guitars come from. My guess would be that Brian and Keith just were the right guys at the right time to discover it when the Blues hit the UK in the early 6-tees. Keith was the most successful because he started writing songs with it that became big hits. Brian was left in the blue, that's for sure.
Open tunings exist for as long as people stringed gut over a wooden soundboard. On guitars and its predecessors, perfect fifth tunings and open tunings were more standard than standard tuning -many classical pieces from the 1800's were written in open G for example. Five string standard tuning ADGBE was used for larger sized guitar instruments from the 1600's on, but wasn't the standard until the development of the 6 string Spanish guitar in the early 1820's.
The standard banjo tuning is Standard C, GCGBD but many tunings are applied. Open G wasn't really used until the invention of the modern 5-string banjo and its use in bluegrass since the 1940's.
Mathijs
I agree, you can go back as far as Renaissance Lutenist John Dowland or Thomas Robinson , for example.
Our fellow Dutchman Jan Akkerman could write a book about it. He's going to play Sticky Fingers next year. I wonder how he'll approach Sister Morphine i.e. Ry Cooder
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Christiaan
I’m not a musician at all, just like music, but I’m fascinated by all of the knowledge from guys like Mathijs.
I know he’d a good guitar player as well! Are you still playing in a band Mathijs? Probably no longer e in a Stones cover band
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Christiaan
No, not missed it, but this was 2 years back in the Waterhole in Amsterdam. I was not there though.
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Redhotcarpet
Ask Keith, 1969 is the year he records Ry. 1968 is the year Mick works with Ry on Memo. Miller also helped of course. Here’s the blueprint for YCAGWYW:
video: [youtu.be] Listen to the guitar lick. Nothing wrong in that but yes great artists steal. It’s a method. Dunno why this upsets fans to this day.
You are forgetting that Keith is shown playing something in Brian's Courtfield Road flat in January 1967 that sounds like the beginnings of YCAGWYW.
But, it's two common as muck chords used by millions anyway.
That little lick on the piano is very similar to what Keith plays on You can't. Which is alright. Im not saying it's wrong.
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TheflyingDutchman
Open tunings go back as far as the 19th century, the Banjo. That's were the open tunings on guitars come from. My guess would be that Brian and Keith just were the right guys at the right time to discover it when the Blues hit the UK in the early 6-tees. Keith was the most successful because he started writing songs with it that became big hits. Brian was left in the blue, that's for sure.
Open tunings exist for as long as people stringed gut over a wooden soundboard. On guitars and its predecessors, perfect fifth tunings and open tunings were more standard than standard tuning -many classical pieces from the 1800's were written in open G for example. Five string standard tuning ADGBE was used for larger sized guitar instruments from the 1600's on, but wasn't the standard until the development of the 6 string Spanish guitar in the early 1820's.
The standard banjo tuning is Standard C, GCGBD but many tunings are applied. Open G wasn't really used until the invention of the modern 5-string banjo and its use in bluegrass since the 1940's.
Mathijs
I agree, you can go back as far as Renaissance Lutenist John Dowland or Thomas Robinson , for example.
Our fellow Dutchman Jan Akkerman could write a book about it. He's going to play Sticky Fingers next year. I wonder how he'll approach Sister Morphine i.e. Ry Cooder
I bet Mathijs can write a book as well! Unbelievable what a knowledge!!
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TheflyingDutchman
Open tunings go back as far as the 19th century, the Banjo. That's were the open tunings on guitars come from. My guess would be that Brian and Keith just were the right guys at the right time to discover it when the Blues hit the UK in the early 6-tees. Keith was the most successful because he started writing songs with it that became big hits. Brian was left in the blue, that's for sure.
Open tunings exist for as long as people stringed gut over a wooden soundboard. On guitars and its predecessors, perfect fifth tunings and open tunings were more standard than standard tuning -many classical pieces from the 1800's were written in open G for example. Five string standard tuning ADGBE was used for larger sized guitar instruments from the 1600's on, but wasn't the standard until the development of the 6 string Spanish guitar in the early 1820's.
The standard banjo tuning is Standard C, GCGBD but many tunings are applied. Open G wasn't really used until the invention of the modern 5-string banjo and its use in bluegrass since the 1940's.
Mathijs
I agree, you can go back as far as Renaissance Lutenist John Dowland or Thomas Robinson , for example.
Our fellow Dutchman Jan Akkerman could write a book about it. He's going to play Sticky Fingers next year. I wonder how he'll approach Sister Morphine i.e. Ry Cooder
I bet Mathijs can write a book as well! Unbelievable what a knowledge!!
You can do it as well. Give it a try : [www.google.com]
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Mathijs
With Google and Wikipedia you have to browse through all the crap first, what a load of bollocks is written there.
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With Google and Wikipedia you have to browse through all the crap first, what a load of bollocks is written there.
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yes that’s what i said.Quote
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Redhotcarpet
Ask Keith, 1969 is the year he records Ry. 1968 is the year Mick works with Ry on Memo. Miller also helped of course. Here’s the blueprint for YCAGWYW:
video: [youtu.be] Listen to the guitar lick. Nothing wrong in that but yes great artists steal. It’s a method. Dunno why this upsets fans to this day.
You are forgetting that Keith is shown playing something in Brian's Courtfield Road flat in January 1967 that sounds like the beginnings of YCAGWYW.
But, it's two common as muck chords used by millions anyway.
That little lick on the piano is very similar to what Keith plays on You can't. Which is alright. Im not saying it's wrong.
Any resemblance there has a lot more to do with Jimmy Miller than Ry Cooder. Then there’s the fact that Mick was the primary composer of YCAGWYW.
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Redhotcarpet
They did a sponge job on Cooder. But of course we as fans should pretend that never happened.
So what?
They also did a sponge job of a plethora of blues, soul and reggae artists, chuck berry, the meters, etc etc etc
The result is that in the music of the Stones there is a little bit of everything. It's the mix that makes them original
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