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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 10, 2023 16:27

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VoodooLounge13
I wish the A Degree Of Murder soundtrack would get a proper release.

The audio from the Bluray, which is the optical sound from the film, is probably the best we are going to get.

...

Brian Jones soundtrack for Mord Und Totschlag/A Degree Of Murder film. Audio taken from official Bluray release.





Recorded at IBC Studios and Olympic Sound Studios in February 1967.

Line up:
Brian Jones - harmonica, recorder, dulcimer, sitar, autoharp, slide guitar & organ
Jimmy Page - guitar
Nicky Hopkins - piano, organ & harpsichord
Peter Gosling - organ & vocals
Kenney Jones - drum solo
Unverified/uncredited session musicians* - violin, cello, double bass, reeds & brass, 6 & 12 string acoustic guitar, jew's harp, banjo, bass guitar, drums.
Mike Leander - arranger/conductor
Glyn Johns - engineer

*It is possible that Keith Richards played during the sessions.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 10, 2023 17:29

What if Brian had quit the band in 1968 and started a band with Jimmy Page and Hopkins. Sorta of like replacing Keith with Page.They’d need a vocalist.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 10, 2023 17:30

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His Majesty
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Taylor1
Brian’s. Opening and closing chords are classic, one of the best of the 1960s along with George Harrison’s opening note and closing notes on a Hard Days Night

I take it you mean It's All Over Now?
Yes, for me his playing captures the end of the relationship



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 10, 2023 17:36

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Taylor1
What if Brian had quit the band in 1968 and started a band with Jimmy Page and Hopkins. Sorta of like replacing Keith with Page.They’d need a vocalist.

There is only what happened.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: January 11, 2023 04:34

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Taylor1
What if Brian had quit the band in 1968 and started a band with Jimmy Page and Hopkins. Sorta of like replacing Keith with Page.They’d need a vocalist.


And what if frogs had wings???

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: January 11, 2023 06:11

Well guess the French would be ecstatic .....



ROCKMAN

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 11, 2023 10:38

I really enjoy this thread, really great.

Mathijs

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Congratulations ()
Date: January 11, 2023 11:15

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Mathijs
I really enjoy this thread, really great.

Mathijs

Ditto! I look forward to the book.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 11, 2023 15:23

Last August I had the great honour and privilege to meet up with Barbara, Brian's daughter, and a very kinda fella who allowed us to play some of the amazing and rare instruments in his collection.
In the photos Barbara and I are shown holding the only other known Vox Bijou dulcimer outside of Brian's and one of three white 1964 prototype Vox Phantom MKIII twelve string guitars. Brian Jones and Hilton Valentine had the other two.

Some of the other instruments we got to play was the first ever Vox peardrop/teardrop 6 string, as well as Vox mando guitars and two of Bill Wyman's basses.

An amazing day!

Photo 1: [scontent.fgla3-1.fna.fbcdn.net]

Photo : [scontent.fgla3-2.fna.fbcdn.net]



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 11, 2023 15:56

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His Majesty
Last August I had the great honour and privilege to meet up with Barbara, Brian's daughter, and a very kinda fella who allowed us to play some of the amazing and rare instruments in his collection.
In the photos Barbara and I are shown holding the only other known Vox Bijou dulcimer outside of Brian's and one of three white 1964 prototype Vox Phantom MKIII twelve string guitars. Brian Jones and Hilton Valentine had the other two.

Some of the other instruments we got to play was the first ever Vox peardrop/teardrop 6 string, as well as Vox mando guitars and two of Bill Wyman's basses.

An amazing day!




Fantastic man!

Is that an UL730 lurking in the background?

Mathijs

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 11, 2023 15:59

Yup. And on the bottom left of the first photo you can see what I think is the very first Vox peardrop/teardrop from circa December 1963. Plays and sounds amazing!

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: VoodooLounge13 ()
Date: January 11, 2023 21:38

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Rockman
Well guess the French would be ecstatic .....

Tis true, Rockee, they would, but the frogs themselves, well, if they had wings, they wouldn't bump their arses!!!!

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 16, 2023 18:59

The Rolling Stones - You Can Make It If You Try
Recorded at Regent Sound Studios, 4 Denmark Street, London, England. 3rd - 4th January 1964.

Line up:
Brian Jones - electric guitar & vocals
Mick Jagger - vocals & tambourine
Keith Richards - 12 string acoustic guitar & vocals
Ian Stewart - organ
Bill Wyman - bass guitar & vocals
Charlie Watts - drums





You Can Make It If You Try (bass & drums reduction)

Line up:
Brian Jones - electric guitar & vocals
Mick Jagger - vocals & tambourine
Keith Richards - 12 string acoustic guitar & vocals
Ian Stewart - organ
Bill Wyman - vocals





You Can Make It If You Try - guitar demonstration

A demonstration/approximation showing the essentials of what Brian Jones played. Recorded to allow for Brian's guitar idea to be heard without backing.





Recording dates courtesy of: [www.nzentgraf.de]

I play the middle eight, F and C bit wrong... grinning smiley



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 18, 2023 12:02

Digging in to the debut album, enjoy the playing of Bill and Charlie especially...

The Rolling Stones - Walking The Dog - isolated vocals, bass & drums
Recorded at Regent Sound Studios, 4 Denmark Street, London, England. 3rd - 4th January 1964.

Isolated line up:
Mick Jagger - vocals
Brian Jones - vocals whistles
Bill Wyman - bass
Charlie Watts - drums
The Rolling Stones - handclaps

Recording session dates courtesy of: [www.nzentgraf.de]




Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Congratulations ()
Date: January 18, 2023 12:21

Wow!! smiling bouncing smiley

I've always considered this as pretty much a duet between Mick and Brian. Amazing to hear them so clearly!

Am I the only person who thinks Brian sounds a little bit like a young Dave Davies?





PS. Any chance of isolating the vocals for 'Bye Bye Johnny'?







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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 24, 2023 14:14

2STONED - by Andrew Loog Oldham. Pages 372 - 373.

Brian had seemed to handle his break from the Stones in a remarkably sober and practical manner, at least on the surface, and I had admired this newfound aplomb from my distance. I hoped that the surface had some substance and that Brian intended to use the split for positive change and not abuse himself, or others, any further. Certainly, he did choose wise counsel wit whom to discuss his future, the caring blues guitarist Alexis Korner. He was supposed to have been positively feeling out forming a new band, fascinated with using as his example and role-model the American based pop 'n' blues band Creedence Clearwater Revival, John Fogerty's West Coast combo, who'd hit big that summer of 69 with 'Proud Mary' sand 'Bad Moon Rising' and who seemed to have struck the right balance between their musical integrity and the selling of it. It was quite easy to understand Brian's finding inspiration in CCR, for there were parallels between him and John Fogerty that he could openly connect with and formulate a solid game plan.

For Brian Jones, there was no going back to the past clubs, pubs and blues circuits of the world; in that year of 1969 a return to your roots would have been synonymous with failure. Creedence Clearwater Revival were a good model, both in reality of Brian's fame and his situation (i.e his standard of ling and breathing needs). Whether Brian realised it fully or subliminally, he and Fogerty shared not only musical but physical similarities in what they did and how they portrayed themselves. Brian could adopt the front man persona, without competition from a lead singer's dapper diva danceability, to get back to where he'd felt best and wanted to feel again and do it for the growing festivalistic audience who thought of him as a hero and icon. Brian could have felt he was entitled to find his voice, the one I'd buried in 63 on 'Walkin' The Dog', and, further, was entitled to write his own music and dismiss my opinion that you can't write down to the public - well, not knowingly anyway.
On that warm July 1969 summer evening in Sussex, Brian's immediate plans were to go swimming.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 24, 2023 15:59

Interesting speculation by ALO. I have always found Brian's claimed interest in CCR a bit odd, but Andrew has a point there, or at least is trying to make some sense of it. (I quess Brian's liking of Johnny Winter, another uprising American 'blues up-dater' , would go in similar lines, another example to utilize the raspy 'Walking The Dog' voice, not to forget the use of slide guitar).

The picture Andrew paints of Brian's potential future rests on two features he was not known (to put it mildly) with the Stones: lead vocals and song-writing. Coming from his mouth, of all people, I find this very interesting.

- Doxa



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Congratulations ()
Date: January 24, 2023 16:43

I recall reading a very early RS concert review in a book years back (can't recall which one), where it stated that Brian Jones sang 'You Better Move On'. Can anyone confirm this? It might've been the same review where the band apparently performed 'Girls', their interpretation of The Shirelles/The Beatles' 'Boys'!

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 24, 2023 17:11

I think the CCR thing, along with many things relating to Brian, has been overblown through repetition and the gradual snowballing effect that comes from it.

Actual accounts of those that played with Brian, or attempted to, in June 1969 do not tell of such focused goals or potent music. Instead it's vague talked of ideas of songs that not even Alexis Korner got to hear, it's aimless jams with Brian coming and going from the music room at Cotchford, it's lots of prescribed drugs and alcohol.

In the following pages of Andrew's book, he goes in to the health side of things and the reality of what that meant...

"... A physical revival had been out of the question for a long time."

Pleurisy, liver and heart disease is no joke.

He is quite cutting and brutal, but is this all that wrong a point of view?

"The swimming pool was an incidental, thrown in for Brian's closing night, for Brian had, for a fatal length of time, been drowning under the influence if life."

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 24, 2023 17:13

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Congratulations
I recall reading a very early RS concert review in a book years back (can't recall which one), where it stated that Brian Jones sang 'You Better Move On'. Can anyone confirm this? It might've been the same review where the band apparently performed 'Girls', their interpretation of The Shirelles/The Beatles' 'Boys'!

Given he sang backing vocals for that song, perhaps the reviewer just worded it badly.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 24, 2023 17:55

My favorite thread, one I actually read thru (and tour info threads of course!)

Thx for sharing all this..

One question, I think I misunderstood you mentioning few or no photos of Brian at Chess sessions? During my visits there I seem to recall him in a number of photos on display, as well as a boot vinyl of those sessions I have with photos of him included.. Am I mixing up recording dates/different studios?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 24, 2023 18:25

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snoopy2
My favorite thread, one I actually read thru (and tour info threads of course!)

Thx for sharing all this..

smileys with beer

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snoopy2
One question, I think I misunderstood you mentioning few or no photos of Brian at Chess sessions? During my visits there I seem to recall him in a number of photos on display, as well as a boot vinyl of those sessions I have with photos of him included.. Am I mixing up recording dates/different studios?

Lots of photos of Brian at Chess from 10th - 11th June 1964 which is what you will have seen, but so far none publicly available from one specific session on 8th November 1964, which is right before he was hospitalised.

Brian is on all tracks, except Stewed, from 10th - 11th June 1964.

Brian is most likely not on any of the tracks recorded on the 8th November 1964. Those tracks being:

Goodbye Girl: [www.youtube.com]
Key to the Highway: [www.youtube.com]
Mercy, Mercy (version 1): [www.youtube.com]
Time Is On My Side (Version 2 - lead guitar intro): [www.youtube.com]
What A Shame: [www.youtube.com]

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 24, 2023 18:39

Ah thanks! Apologies if I made you repeat yourself.. as with many things we sometimes have to hear them more than once to catch what’s said smiling smiley

Also, those pics you posted mentioning playing some of his instruments, for some reason they don’t show up when I click, any chance of posting them in some other format?

Either way, thx again

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 24, 2023 18:47

Best looking through the facebook page: [www.facebook.com]

Pic links seem to time out when posted elsewhere.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: January 24, 2023 21:21

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His Majesty
Best looking through the facebook page: [www.facebook.com]

Pic links seem to time out when posted elsewhere.

Checked out your site, awesome! One post that was interesting was the blonde girl in the audience at the TAMI show. Always thought she was very beautiful and now I read she dated Jeff Beck shortly after!

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 24, 2023 21:22

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His Majesty
I think the CCR thing, along with many things relating to Brian, has been overblown through repetition and the gradual snowballing effect that comes from it.

Actual accounts of those that played with Brian, or attempted to, in June 1969 do not tell of such focused goals or potent music. Instead it's vague talked of ideas of songs that not even Alexis Korner got to hear, it's aimless jams with Brian coming and going from the music room at Cotchford, it's lots of prescribed drugs and alcohol.

In the following pages of Andrew's book, he goes in to the health side of things and the reality of what that meant...

"... A physical revival had been out of the question for a long time."

Pleurisy, liver and heart disease is no joke.

He is quite cutting and brutal, but is this all that wrong a point of view?

"The swimming pool was an incidental, thrown in for Brian's closing night, for Brian had, for a fatal length of time, been drowning under the influence if life."

Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.

But that of seeing some potentiality in his song-writing and singing abilities are, let me repeat myself, interesting, since he was the man who once judged that Brian is hopeless in crafting songs and who also kicked him off from a microphone.

That said, I recall the tone in his books being a bit apologetic towards Brian. I think he somewhere there admitted that of any people he was there talking about, he felt that he had most second-thoughts about Brian, His treatment or something (like re-thinking what he was like, etc.) But it is a long time since I read the books, so it could be that my memory is making me tricks. Well, what I at least remember clearly is Andrew stating that whatever shit happened, Brian, after all, lasted two years more than him...

- Doxa



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 25, 2023 01:03

His Majesty, do you think there are any recordings that exist in the Stones vaults or elsewhere of additional unreleased music Brian may have created for A Degree of Murder?Any music he may have created while with the Stones .Didn’t he tell Jimmy Miller during the recording of Beggars Banquet he was into making electronic music at that time?I think Anita said during the 1971 Rolling Stone interview of Keith Brian was recording more experimental music on his own



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 25, 2023 01:09

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Doxa


But that of seeing some potentiality in his song-writing and singing abilities are, let me repeat myself, interesting, since he was the man who once judged that Brian is hopeless in crafting songs and who also kicked him off from a microphone.

Quite. thumbs up

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 25, 2023 01:21

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Taylor1
His Majesty, do you think there are any recordings that exist in the Stones vaults or elsewhere of additional unreleased music Brian may have created for A Degree of Murder?

I really doubt it. One reason being he didn't even record enough for the film, the director had to re-use some of the exact same recordings in different places because of this. An argument could be made that this is quite common, re-using the same music in a film, but this is the directors pov and the music without repetition only comes in to about 20 minutes of music.

Some Morricone scores are about the same length. grinning smiley

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: ash ()
Date: January 25, 2023 01:29

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His Majesty
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Taylor1
His Majesty, do you think there are any recordings that exist in the Stones vaults or elsewhere of additional unreleased music Brian may have created for A Degree of Murder?

I really doubt it. One reason being he didn't even record enough for the film, the director had to re-use some of the exact same recordings in different places because of this. An argument could be made that this is quite common, re-using the same music in a film, but this is the directors pov and the music without repetition only comes in to about 20 minutes of music.

Some Morricone scores are about the same length. grinning smiley

One of the few times I got a response from ABKCO was on this topic. I asked if they had tapes for Degree Of Murder and would they consider releasing them as it would be of interest to Stones fans. I was told (via email) that they had no tapes relating to the film soundtrack. This was approx 3 years ago.

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