For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
Quote
Doxa
Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.
- Doxa
Quote
MathijsQuote
Doxa
Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.
- Doxa
After Oldham left the Stones he still was a force in the London music scene, through Immediate Records and through managing Small faces and forming Humble Pie, both having connections to Brian. And he kept close friendship to Anita and Marianne, even living with them and Mick Taylor in Keith's house in New York in the early 1980's.
Mathijs
Quote
His Majesty
The Satsfaction on there is probably the audio from Shindig where they played a version of Satisfaction that was different to the official single. Because it includes harmonica, this is often assumed to be from first attempt at Chess. But, I think, without checking, it's actually a special recording, along with others songs, done for the show to give the impression they were playing live.
Quote
His Majesty
Eye Magazine - March 1969.
"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.
Why didn’t they just say In Another Land by The Rolling Stones and not Bill Wyman.It wasn’t a solo song since Wyman was in the band and the band played on it and put it on the band’s album. Almost like Mick and Keith saying we are the only writers for the band.Quote
DandelionPowderman
Bill was probably on a roll after this, and hoped to get more songs on albums
Quote
His Majesty
Eye Magazine - March 1969.
"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.
Quote
Doxa
Yeah, Mick and Keith were in the height of their creative powers at the time, so no wonder Bill's offerings were neglected.
But that said, Bill's never seemed to get over of that. It looks like that it was the BANQUET sessions after he lost his biggest interest to contribute to the band more. Or like accepting the role of being nothing but a bass player in a Mick and Keith show doing his bit out of obligation. That of Brian falling down seemingly had a role in changing the dynamics of the band, since Bill belonged more like to Brian's corner in the band. Brian, after-all, as long he was able somehow to contribute in the band (until, say, for his second arrest in 1968), he was a strong force in the band whose opinions and doings mattered, no matter how unreliable and 'difficult' he might have been. He was almost like a counter force or last resistance against Mick and Keith's total dominance. When he was gone, there would be no force like him in the band Mick and Keith should somehow take into consideration. A pretty telling example of that is the incident when Keith nastily said to Ronnie when he had suggested something: "Who the hell you think you are? Brian Jones?"
Bill's comments about the quality of Stones music from BEGGARS BANQUET on, has also been a bit bitter-like, and like it has been difficult for him to accept that the Stones were doing pretty amazing stuff. In STONE ALONE he sounds like busy appraising the upcoming bands like Led Zeppelin, and belittlening the Stones output. But he always sound being so proud of their earlier stuff.
But I guess that is pretty human after all. He was a Rolling Stone from the beginning, not someone looking and judging the band from the outside, and things looked different from the inside...
- Doxa
Quote
His Majesty
I think some of those are not people who went.
It seems nothing was recorded. One of the people who did jam, their name escapes me at moment, said the jams were aimless with Brian sporadically coming and going from the music room, playing a bit of soprano saxophone, a bit of organ, but he wouldn't play guitar.
Mayall visited, but more as a friend. He attempted to play with Brian though, but said his timing etc was off. He also said Brian was using a walking stick!?
Quote
His Majesty
I hear nothing from Bill that is on par with Mick and Keith's writing. However, I'd argue that, on occasion, that George Harrison did manage to reach the level of Paul and John.