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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 25, 2023 02:40

We Love You - mellotron cover by Philip Johnston.

Backing track featuring Keith, Nicky, Bill and Charlie taken from the Satanic Sessions bootleg box set.







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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 25, 2023 11:08

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Doxa
Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.
- Doxa

After Oldham left the Stones he still was a force in the London music scene, through Immediate Records and through managing Small faces and forming Humble Pie, both having connections to Brian. And he kept close friendship to Anita and Marianne, even living with them and Mick Taylor in Keith's house in New York in the early 1980's.

Mathijs

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 25, 2023 12:15

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Mathijs
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Doxa
Yeah. Andrew most likely didn't have any longer a first hand knowledge of Brian's whereabouts, but is relying on second hand ones, like so many others (like us). Surely he might have heard something at the time we don't have access to, but still. So there is a lot of speculation going on, and like the ones about Brian's potential upcoming musical directions, have the conditional that the physical side or reality of the story doesn't matter.
- Doxa

After Oldham left the Stones he still was a force in the London music scene, through Immediate Records and through managing Small faces and forming Humble Pie, both having connections to Brian. And he kept close friendship to Anita and Marianne, even living with them and Mick Taylor in Keith's house in New York in the early 1980's.

Mathijs

Yeah. So one could say ALO had some very good second-hand sources. Taking the strong and 'immediate' (sic) Humble Pie connection, interesting that he did not say anything in his speculations about Brian's upcoming musical possibilities about a possible involvement with them - something I recall speculated. Could be the most obvious reason: there weren't anything else but some brief personal connection between Brian and the upcoming band, not like he would be a part of them or something.

- Doxs



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 25, 2023 12:34

Mick Taylor lived with Anita and Marianne in Keith’s house in NewYork in the 1980s? At the same time? In separate living quarters? Was that the house Anita was with the young man who killer himself with a gun in Westchester NY?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 25, 2023 13:27

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Doxa


Yeah. So one could say ALO had some very good second-hand sources. Taking the strong and 'immediate' (sic) Humble Pie connection, interesting that he did not say anything in his speculations about Brian's upcoming musical possibilities about a possible involvement with them - something I recall speculated. Could be the most obvious reason: there weren't anything else but some brief personal connection between Brian and the upcoming band, not like he would be a part of them or something.

- Doxs

Probably because it was nothing more than a phone call, come and jam with us, at best. Humble Pie was already a set band by January 1969 with their debut album out in August.

Brian with Humble Pie is not something to take seriously imo. It reads good in print and is given creedence (hah) by some members saying the likes of 'yeah man, but then he drowned' as if it was something that was seriously going to happen.

I keep in mind Brian's last interview for Bravo right after the split, but also that Thomas Beyl could be loose with the truth. There's enough stuff in here that would only be known via Brian to give the general drive of the article credibility though.

...

"To hell with the Rolling Stones!"

This is a report by Thomas Beyl. He is the only man to whom Brian Jones has entrusted the true reasons for his separation from the Stones.

"Brian Jones has left the Stones!" When I heard the news, I did not believe it. Even on the jet plane to London, I had only one thought: It must not be true! In recent years I had lived through many crises of the Rolling Stones, but the Stones had continued rolling on through all of it.
Certainly, Brian has been even more difficult than usual recently, and the differences between him and the group have grown greater and greater. But a split? The Rolling Stones without Brian Jones?
Shortly after my arrival in London, I see nothing but black - in broad daylight! When I hurry up the stairs to the Stones headquarters at 46 Maddox Street, Keith Richard rushes past me with long strides. Am I seeing ghosts? A Rolling Stone in the afternoon at half past two?
"Hello, Thomas," says the "ghost". "I'm in a hurry. I'll see you later!" I hurry afterward. Mick, Charlie and Bill are sitting in the office upstairs. Brian Jones is missing. The four Stones look at me and grin, embarrassed. No one says a word.
I brought along BRAVO No. 25 and open it to the double-page color feature with the Stones. "This article says that you are planning a tour through Germany in the fall," I say. "Will Brian be with you?" Mick shakes his head. "No," he says resolutely. "It's final. We've split from Brian." I look questioningly at Bill and Charlie. They nod. "In all friendship," says Bill.

Continued on next page.

Continued from page 26
In all friendship? Without a fight? But these are "my" Stones, I know them better than that! Before I can ask any more questions, the Stones' chauffeur appears and seconds later, the four have disappeared like a ghost.
"We'll see you later, Thomas," I hear Mick yell up the stairs. Later! I shudder when I hear that word!
I leaf through the newspapers lying around on the office table and come across the sentence "Brian Jones flew to Africa for a vacation in order to decide about his future in peace."
That can't be right, I think to myself, and give their road manager Tom Krylock a good interrogation. He admits that Brian is hiding at a friend's in London! The good Tom relents, gives me a number and after a few phone calls, I have Brian on the phone:
"I don't give interviews," he growled sleepily, "I've already told it all. It's in the newspapers."
"The newspapers also say that you're in Africa", I reply.
"Well," says Brian, a bit more comfortable now. "Come back in three weeks. Until then, I'm not talking to any reporters. "
"Not even to an old friend?" I ask. He's still on the line. I'm worried he will hang up soon.
"Give me Tom," says Brian.
Tom picks up the phone, listens for a few seconds, squeezes in a quick "OK" before hanging up.
"I shall take you to Brian this evening," he tells me, "but keep your mouth shut!" A few hours later on a trip through London at night, my thoughts begin to go back in time.

Brian announces: "Now I want the big money!"

Exactly seven years ago, Brian Jones was playing hot music with his trio on the stage of a shabby restaurant in Ealing. Right then, two guys jumped up on stage with him and "climbed aboard": Mick Jagger and Keith Richard. They got along right away. By the end of the year they were joined by Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts.
Despite hunger and frustration in the beginning, the five stuck together. Three years later, the Rolling Stones had made it. Mick, Brian, Keith, Bill and Charlie even rolled right over the Beatles at times.
I was together with the Stones often during the past four years. I liked Brian the most. He was probably the most difficult of the five, the most sensitive and the toughest at the same time. But always a good friend.
And then Brian is sitting across from me over in his hiding place. He's got a full beard. "You want me to tell the truth," he says ironically. "Well then, the old Stones' sound is not my taste. I think it's out of date. I want to write my own music and play. After a friendly discussion, we came to the conclusion that separation is the only solution. Satisfied?"
"Is there really no chance that you might get back together again?" I ask.
"None!" replied Brian. "Two years ago I wanted to leave, but Mick talked me out of it. Today there is no turning back." I look at Brian as he tops off his whiskey. He looks pale and haggard and under no circumstances happy. "You know that the Stones want to go on tour again soon. I think the fans will miss you," I say, trying to lure him out of his shell.
"You think so?" Brian's face brightens up. "Tell them I'll have my own group soon. The decision is within the next few weeks. Maybe I'll only produce music. I know one thing for sure: I want to be rich and finally rake in the big bucks. Just like Mick and Keith..."
Brian jumps up, reaches into a box of records and gives me an LP.
I read "YOU YOUKA" on the label.

These are the new Rolling Stones: Charlie Watts, Mick Taylor, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Bill Wyman (from left).
They hope the money will keep on rolling in.

"I produced that one in Algeria. My first LP. Would you like to listen to them?" asks Brian.
Of course I do. For the next 20 minutes I hear flute sounds with dogs barking.
"Pure African folk music," says Brian. "Recorded at night out on the street." He is entranced by the music. I am not.
"This is music," Brian says enthusiastically. "I'm going to compose music in this style."
Gloomy, almost depressed, I leave Brian. I fear that it will be a long time before Brian, the lost Stone, becomes a wealthy man.
The next evening I go down to the Olympic Studio, where the Stones are recording their new single "Honky Tonk Woman."
"Did you talk to Brian?” Mick greets me. "He must have told you that we're still friends. Keith, Bill, Charlie and I all say so too."
Whether a split in friendship or otherwise - for Stones fans, it doesn't matter. The Stones will keep on rolling. Now with Mick Taylor, 20, who previously played rhythm guitar with John Mayall, they've found a new Stone. They're back to five again. Whether the new Stone will replace the old one is another question.
"Aren't you scared," I ask Mick, "that Brian's departure could hurt the reputation of the Rolling Stones?"
Mick: "I think our 'bad reputation' has gotten better and better lately. And we're still nowhere near the end - even without Brian!"

Thomas Beyl



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Date: January 25, 2023 19:59

Never read this before HM, thanks.thumbs up And in a less important or extreme way, history repeated itself regarding the fifth Stone.

And Ron Wood likely was the smartest from a social point of view, on the long term.

Just to generalise the topic.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 25, 2023 22:39

That was a great read! Like a direct time travel to the feelings of those days (and like a good reminder what a big, shocking news Brian's departure was at the time. Africa... ). And, to cheer a bit the sad tune, Mick's comment about their reputation is priceless. Still nowhere near the end... So right you were, Mick!

Thanks, His Majesty!

- Doxa



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 26, 2023 13:36

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TheflyingDutchman
Never read this before HM, thanks.thumbs up And in a less important or extreme way, history repeated itself regarding the fifth Stone.

And Ron Wood likely was the smartest from a social point of view, on the long term.

Just to generalise the topic.

thumbs up

Good to remember that Ronnie was a fan from the early days. So I think there was a degree of 'a dream come true' for him being in the Stones.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 26, 2023 18:38

So you have me revisiting my Chess recordings , and after re-reading this entire thread (to make sure you hadn’t already answered this!) I have some doubts as to what I thought previously: you mention, as does Wikipedia, that the other version of Time Is On My Side was done in London (Regent) yet my copy of Chess recordings have them recording a version of Time during the June 11 ‘64 Chess sessions which Brian would’ve most likely been on (as well as the Nov. 8 recording)..

I’m now wondering if this was thrown on my recording (which is an unofficial release of Chess stuff) mistakenly? I’ve always been a bit suspicious of this list because it also has a version of Satisfaction claiming to be from Chess May 10th ‘65 — which many say does not exist, including reaching out to Andrew Loog Oldham on twitter regarding this (his answer wasn’t exactly definitive, but seemed to indicate “no”), as well as speaking with people at the Chess museum.

I know this stuff is in various places on the internet and isn’t specifically Brian Jones related, but as someone really diving into this would you mind clarifying? Thanks again for your fantastic contributions to the Stones’ world!



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 26, 2023 20:41

They didn't record any version of Time Is On My Side at Chess in June 1964. Or better to say, there are no circulating recordings of them playing Time Is On My Side from 10th or 11th June 1964 recording session at Chess.

Vers.1 - organ intro, recorded at Regent Sound on 24th - 26th June 1964.





Vers.2 - lead guitar intro, recorded at Chess on 8th November 1964.





...


The Satsfaction on there is probably the audio from Shindig where they played a version of Satisfaction that was different to the official single. Because it includes harmonica, this is often assumed to be from first attempt at Chess. But, I think, without checking, it's actually a special recording, along with others songs, done for the show to give the impression they were playing live.

This one:





smileys with beer



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Congratulations ()
Date: January 26, 2023 20:50

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His Majesty
The Satsfaction on there is probably the audio from Shindig where they played a version of Satisfaction that was different to the official single. Because it includes harmonica, this is often assumed to be from first attempt at Chess. But, I think, without checking, it's actually a special recording, along with others songs, done for the show to give the impression they were playing live.

I think so too, but was it based on their early, unreleased, arrangement? I guess we'll never really know unless the studio recording surfaces.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 26, 2023 21:11

Thanks for the Time Is On My Side clarification, those scallywags duped me (as Grand Moff Tarkin would say, "They lied!")

I just quickly compared the Satisfactions and at first listen they sound different (Jagger's vocal has some nuanced differences and the bass seems to come in differently, tho that might be that I have trouble hearing it at all on my version)

Anyway, I don't believe it's from Chess as too many out there say no, but do appreciate your work on all this HM! Now back to Brian smiling smiley

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: ProfessorWolf ()
Date: January 27, 2023 04:13

great grand moff tarkin reference

you may fire off another one when readywinking smiley

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: January 27, 2023 08:30

Hi His Majesty, wondering if you may have further info regarding the Alexis Korner biography by Harry Shapiro. In it, he mentions Alexis organized rehearsals at Cotchford Farm after Brian left the band. Some of the musicians mentioned were the late Vince Crane, Carl Palmer, John Mayall, Mitch Mitchell and Micky Waller.
Do you have any info as to how these sessions went, was anything recorded, etc?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 27, 2023 11:14

I think some of those are not people who went.

It seems nothing was recorded. One of the people who did jam, their name escapes me at moment, said the jams were aimless with Brian sporadically coming and going from the music room, playing a bit of soprano saxophone, a bit of organ, but he wouldn't play guitar.

Mayall visited, but more as a friend. He attempted to play with Brian though, but said his timing etc was off. He also said Brian was using a walking stick!?

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 27, 2023 11:27

Eye Magazine - March 1969.

"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 27, 2023 13:34

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His Majesty
Eye Magazine - March 1969.

"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.

I didn't realized that this Wyman quote I've been familiar with, was so old, dating to March 1969. I guess it sounded pretty critical as a public comment back then.

I wonder if Mick was making notes, since next month they would try Bill's "Sweet Lucy" aka "Downtown Suzie" (although some sources claim that it was already recorded in May 1968, but that doesn't sound likely).

- Doxa



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 27, 2023 13:54

Whatever the truth about it being tried in 1968, the Downtown Suzie which is officially released and on bootlegs is definitely a recording started and completed in spring 1969.

Phots by Eric Hayes suggest that Brian was present at a session where the song was recorded and that he tried playing harmonica on early takes of it.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Date: January 27, 2023 14:07

Bill was probably on a roll after this, and hoped to get more songs on albums smiling smiley


Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 27, 2023 16:24

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DandelionPowderman
Bill was probably on a roll after this, and hoped to get more songs on albums smiling smiley

Why didn’t they just say In Another Land by The Rolling Stones and not Bill Wyman.It wasn’t a solo song since Wyman was in the band and the band played on it and put it on the band’s album. Almost like Mick and Keith saying we are the only writers for the band.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 27, 2023 16:46

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His Majesty
Eye Magazine - March 1969.

"Mick was ringing me up before Beggars Banquet, asking if I had any more songs, and I said I had a couple. He said, 'I spoke to Brian, he's got one as well.' So I thought, That's great, because they're giving us the opportunity, it isn't like a closed shop anymore. So we got them ready, Brian had his and I had mine, and then you come in to the studio the first night and Keith say's 'I've got a song,' so, alright let's do it, and then Mick's got one. The next day they've got two more. The day after that each has another one ready. You go on like that, still waiting to record yours when they run out. But, ah, they didn't run out. Before you looked round, there was an album done. So it was really a closed shop again."
- Bill Wyman.

Nice quote. It sounds much like George Harrisons complaint that they never worked on his songs. It was only in later years that he acknowledged the fact that he was in a band with two of the most prolific writers of all time.

When you're churning out tracks that end up on Beggars and LIB on a daily basis who would want to work on a Bill Wyman song...

Mathijs

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: January 27, 2023 19:01

Yeah, Mick and Keith were in the height of their creative powers at the time, so no wonder Bill's offerings were neglected.

But that said, Bill's never seemed to get over of that. It looks like that it was the BANQUET sessions after he lost his biggest interest to contribute to the band more. Or like accepting the role of being nothing but a bass player in a Mick and Keith show doing his bit when asked and out of obligation. That of Brian falling down seemingly had a role in changing the dynamics of the band, since Bill belonged more to Brian's corner in the band. Brian, after-all, as long he was able somehow to contribute in the band (until, say, for his second arrest in 1968), he was a strong force in the band whose opinions and doings mattered, no matter how unreliable and 'difficult' he might have been. He was almost like a counter force or last resistance against Mick and Keith's total dominance. When he was gone, there would be no force like him in the band Mick and Keith should somehow take into consideration. A pretty telling example of that is the incident when Keith nastily said to Ronnie when he had suggested something: "Who the hell you think you are? Brian Jones?"

Bill's comments about the quality of Stones music from BEGGARS BANQUET on, has also been a bit bitter-like, and like it has been difficult for him to accept that the Stones were doing pretty amazing stuff. In STONE ALONE he sounds like busy appraising the upcoming bands like Led Zeppelin, and belittlening the Stones output. But he always sound being so proud of their earlier stuff.

But I guess that is pretty human after all. He was a Rolling Stone from the beginning, not someone looking and judging the band from the outside, and things looked different from the inside...

- Doxa



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Congratulations ()
Date: January 27, 2023 19:07

Bill certainly never gave up writing though. Remember, he released his first solo album 'Monkey Grip' as early as 1974... and it was moderately successful too, reaching the Top 40 album charts in both the UK and Australia.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: January 27, 2023 19:12

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Doxa
Yeah, Mick and Keith were in the height of their creative powers at the time, so no wonder Bill's offerings were neglected.

But that said, Bill's never seemed to get over of that. It looks like that it was the BANQUET sessions after he lost his biggest interest to contribute to the band more. Or like accepting the role of being nothing but a bass player in a Mick and Keith show doing his bit out of obligation. That of Brian falling down seemingly had a role in changing the dynamics of the band, since Bill belonged more like to Brian's corner in the band. Brian, after-all, as long he was able somehow to contribute in the band (until, say, for his second arrest in 1968), he was a strong force in the band whose opinions and doings mattered, no matter how unreliable and 'difficult' he might have been. He was almost like a counter force or last resistance against Mick and Keith's total dominance. When he was gone, there would be no force like him in the band Mick and Keith should somehow take into consideration. A pretty telling example of that is the incident when Keith nastily said to Ronnie when he had suggested something: "Who the hell you think you are? Brian Jones?"

Bill's comments about the quality of Stones music from BEGGARS BANQUET on, has also been a bit bitter-like, and like it has been difficult for him to accept that the Stones were doing pretty amazing stuff. In STONE ALONE he sounds like busy appraising the upcoming bands like Led Zeppelin, and belittlening the Stones output. But he always sound being so proud of their earlier stuff.

But I guess that is pretty human after all. He was a Rolling Stone from the beginning, not someone looking and judging the band from the outside, and things looked different from the inside...

- Doxa

I also think that the Stones becoming jet set global rockstars didn't help as well, with first the move to France and then everybody being scattered around the globe. Wyman slowly went from being in integral member of the band to a real outsider. He said he didn't speak to Keith for just about the entire 1970's...It was the money that kept him from leaving.

Mathijs

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: snoopy2 ()
Date: January 27, 2023 20:24

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His Majesty
I think some of those are not people who went.

It seems nothing was recorded. One of the people who did jam, their name escapes me at moment, said the jams were aimless with Brian sporadically coming and going from the music room, playing a bit of soprano saxophone, a bit of organ, but he wouldn't play guitar.

Mayall visited, but more as a friend. He attempted to play with Brian though, but said his timing etc was off. He also said Brian was using a walking stick!?

Some of this is discussed towards the end of Paul Trynka's book "Brian Jones," which is one of my favorite reads on the Stones/Jones yet I seldom see referenced by anyone.. It does paint a picture of conflicting accounts, and also adds the name Nick South (with Alexis) as being there. It is a bit sad and difficult to read at times, now that I'm no longer a teen thriving on rock n' roll mayhem and can see the human being and difficulties of substance abuse, brain damage, depression. One of the saddest bits is Bobbie Korner supposedly saying 'how could someone who founded The Rolling Stones be left so alone and vulnerable' after spending time at Brian's with Alexis and his band towards the end.. Mayall is referenced (as you mention) saying Brian was 'very wobbly' and his 'hands and his brain weren't matching up' and was in no condition to put music together.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 28, 2023 15:06

I don't like the Trynka book because it's too much of a pity party and the constant comparisons to Mick and Keith, even from before Brian met them, is tedious.

There's also some obvious nonsense about musical things.

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 28, 2023 15:23

Re Bill, he's had a very nice life from playing bass in The Rolling Stones and will be remembered as being part of all the great music that came from them. He's also had a life full of opportunities from being a Rolling Stone.

His writing aspirations had an outlet outside of the band by 1965, no one was stopping him from doing that. I hear nothing from Bill that is on par with Mick and Keith's writing. However, I'd argue that, on occasion, that George Harrison did manage to reach the level of Paul and John.

With success and great music as their main goals, the success and great music they made is largely because of the writing of Mick and Keith, it's thee vehicle for going beyond being a covers band. All of the band members and other musicians for sure were vital part of that success and great music of course.

I think of a comment by Andrew Loog Oldham in one of his radio shows, where he mockingly quips about Bill moaning that he should have a bigger castle.

All of this applies to Brian too. It seems such an absurd waste of talent, that he, in part, ruined himself because two of the band happened to work hard, learn fast and become two of the greatest song writers in modern history. hot smiley

In saying all this, genuine musical and personality differences are legit reasons to move on from a band.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Taylor1 ()
Date: January 28, 2023 23:04

Bill wrote the riff for JJ Flash, arguably their best song.Play with Fire and Paint it Black were group compositions. Does Brian deserve any credit for songs like We Love You, Ruby Tuesday, 2000 Light Years? Mick Taylor, for some songs like Moonlight Mile? I know even if they do, Mick and Keith wrote basically 95 percent of the songs.



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Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: Congratulations ()
Date: January 29, 2023 00:49

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His Majesty
I hear nothing from Bill that is on par with Mick and Keith's writing. However, I'd argue that, on occasion, that George Harrison did manage to reach the level of Paul and John.

With the exceptions of '2000 Light Years From Home' and 'She's A Rainbow', imo 'In Another Land' is as good or better than anything else on TSMR. I'd certainly rather listen to that than 'Within You Without You'!

Re: The Brian Jones Resource - A companion to musician Brian Jones of The Rolling Stones
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: January 31, 2023 14:46

Brian, The Yardbirds and his thoughts about the Stones and their music in March 1964...

Recently, in response to a post in a Yardbirds Facebook group about Brian Jones playing with The Yardbirds due to Keith Relf falling ill, Yardbirds drummer Jim McCarty commented that it "Never happened!" This contradicted a few sources, for example, Bill Wyman in his book Stone Alone.

Looking through some folders on an old laptop, I found downloads from various auctions over the years which included a letter from Brian to some fans who'd had an accident. Additionally and related, there was also details of a letter, dated 31st March 1964, from a then girlfriend of Brian's to her friends, who were in the accident, after she had met Brian outside The Scene club in Soho, London.

The full auction description can be seen in the attached image, but here's proof from Brian, via his girlfriend Viv, confirming that Brian did play with The Yardbirds on Sunday 29th March 1964 and that it was a special moment for him.

'...he proved himself to himself as a musician on Sunday night at the Craw Daddy Richmond when he took the lead on his harmonica with the group "The Yardbirds" - he reckons they're the best group going - and got a flagging audience to take interest... he was so happy he was standing there crying!'

Some fascinating insight towards the end of the letter...

'He said he's in the Stones now only for the money & the adulation... he say's... musically they've come to a full stop... He doesn't rate their E.P. [The Rolling Stones] at all - & say's the L.P. [The Rolling Stones] is mostly a lot of rubbish, but the star track is "Walking The Dog"...'

EDIT: Note there is no mention of Keith Relf being ill in this letter though, so Brian may well have actually played with the full Yardbirds line up, which then makes sense of Jim's recent comment in the context. Ronnie Wood claims to have stood in when Keith Relf fell ill...





Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2023-01-31 19:35 by His Majesty.

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