ropeni...its all in good fun....were obviously all here for the same reason...i'll hoist a drink to you later on....best wishes

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> ropeni...its all in good fun....were obviously all
> here for the same reason...i'll hoist a drink to
> you later on....best wishes

Thanks man, will do the same here.
Have a great day

J-J-Flash Wrote:
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> I agree with what everyone is saying about nobody
> is forcing you to buy anything. But don't be
> fooled and think the Stones really care about
> their hardcore fans because it is very obvious
> that they don't.
>
> You want to see a band that cares for their fans,
> check out the Grateful Dead. The Stones are almost
> the complete opposite.


Completely agree, I am also a big fan of the Dead. Wish the Stones would take some notes from them or Dylan on how to treat their fans rather than the corporations that sponsor the tours.

Maybe our best bet is to come up with an alternative playlist and hope they change it. They played SWAY, didn't they? Or was that just a coincidence? ;-)

'these days is all secrecy and no privacy'

Its not hard to mix it up..

1. Start Me Up …instead Street Fighting Man or Gimme Shelter
2. You Got Me Rocking … instead Saint of Me or Flip The Switch
3. Shattered … Dance Little Sister or She Was Hot
4. Tumbling Dice … instead Sway or Monkey Man
5. Rough Justice
6. Back Of My Hand
7. Beast Of Burden … instead Ruby Tuesday or Time Is On My Side or As Tears Go By
8. She's So Cold … instead Mother’s Little Helper or 19th Nervous Breakdown
9. Heartbreaker … @#$%& or Dead Flowers
10. Night Time Is The Right Time
--- Introductions
11. The Worst (Keith) …alt with You Got the Silver or Little T&A
12. Infamy (Keith) …alt with This Place Is Empty
13. Miss You (to B-stage) … anything here but Miss You
14. Oh No, Not You Again (B-stage)
15. Satisfaction (B-stage)
16. Honky Tonk Women (from B-stage) … alternate with Under My Thumb
17. Out Of Control … stick another new song in here (LWTCDI or IWTL)
18. Sympathy For The Devil … alternate with Paint It Black or Can't You Hear Me Knocking
19. Jumping Jack Flash
20. Brown Sugar
21. You Can't Always Get What You Want (encore) alternate with Midnight Rambler
22. It's Only Rock'n Roll (encore) alternate with Get Off My Cloud or The Last Time

ROPENI Wrote:
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> Well here we go again, now they are trying to sell
> us a dvd with six songs, which include 2 versions
> of that "classic" (which by the way they refuse to
> play live at their concerts) SOL, Its sick.
> And then they have the balls to release a cd with
> so called"Rarities" except that at least 14 of the
> 16 songs even the most casual fan most have hear
> them at some point.
> Give me a break, but l guess they need the money,
> since A Bigger Bang didn't do as well as expected.
>
> l know a lot the "fans" here will not like this
> but its true the stones have become greedy old
> men, there is no excuse for them to put out this
> shit.
>
> If anyone wants to hear real rarities and never
> heard of stuff, download "Place Pigalle", Black
> Box vol1-4, Woodstock tapes cd, Voodoo Brew
> vol1-4,Handsome Girls, Rock And Roll Acetates, and
> many more. Go for it.
>
> "MANOLO, SHOOT THAT PIECE OF SHIT"

Ouch. It's so easy, it's so simple ROPENI:

1. THE STONES offer something.
2. YOU buy it - or you don't.

It's really THAT easy and THAT simple.

I choose a third option download it free.

"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"

ROPENI Wrote:
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> I choose a third option download it free.

Then you're a regular theif.

JumpingKentFlash

Once again it's so easy to see who the real Stones fans are.

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.

Thanks.

JumpingKentFlash

No problem.

I ain't stupid, I'm just guitarded.

JumpingKentFlash

ROPENI Wrote:
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> I choose a third option download it free.

Thanks a lot for your good advice, you are very clever!
So if you have got anything to offer, I don't buy it from you, I better steal it - will save me some money, and I guess you have enough.

To:Rank Outsider,Jumping Kent Flash, Retired Dog, If you guys think that being a true Stones fan means, not pointing out the fact that as much as we hate to admit it they have become a big corporation with only one thing in mind make more money at the expense of the fans,then l guess l am not what you call a true fan. Selling t shirts for $45.00,a new cd with old stuff that everyone has hear before and then trying to pass it as "rareties" to me that is a ripp off, a dvd with six "new songs" 4 of which are very bad "sol,and "rain",$450.00for a seat.and so on.
Look guys, the stones have become greedy old men who don't give a shit about their fans.
And as far as calling me a thief cause l do download stuff for free.
If any of you has ever downloaded anything at all, then what does that make you?
Oh yes, l know "HYPOCRATES"
Have a nice day

"No dope smoking no beer sold after 12 o'clock"

ROPENI Wrote:
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> To:Rank Outsider,Jumping Kent Flash, Retired Dog,
> If you guys think that being a true Stones fan
> means, not pointing out the fact that as much as
> we hate to admit it they have become a big
> corporation with only one thing in mind make more
> money at the expense of the fans,then l guess l am
> not what you call a true fan. Selling t shirts for
> $45.00,a new cd with old stuff that everyone has
> hear before and then trying to pass it as
> "rareties" to me that is a ripp off, a dvd with
> six "new songs" 4 of which are very bad "sol,and
> "rain",$450.00for a seat.and so on.
> Look guys, the stones have become greedy old men
> who don't give a shit about their fans.
> And as far as calling me a thief cause l do
> download stuff for free.
> If any of you has ever downloaded anything at all,
> then what does that make you?
> Oh yes, l know "HYPOCRATES"
> Have a nice day
>
> "MANOLO, SHOOT THAT PIECE OF SHIT"

Hi Ropeni,

you mention some good points because I (unlike Bjornulf) am not happy with everything the Stones do. However, accusing them of "rip-offs" is a different thing. They're not selling you bogus material, it's genuine Stones material, you may like it or not, but, again, that is a different thing. The one thing the Stones can be accused of is that they sold their souls to record companies and managers like Cohl who are obviously testing out the limits to the point that there's no street credibility to even speak of left. I will never buy a T-Shirt for 45 bucks, that's an insane price for something that costs a few (very few) bucks to produce (like two or three dollars). I will never pay 450 bucks for a Stones show because no band on earth is worth that amount of money for the ticket alone. Let them or their companies and managers test their limits - and if they fall flat on their faces -if not this time, maybe next time around- there is a good chance that they will come down to earth. But, if they still find enough people who pay these prices, they might even charge more next time around. That is the nature of not only their game, that is the nature of the economy game. There's nothing you and I can do about it in general, but we can always say: NO, NOT WITH ME. Try and find another fool - there are still many out there!

retired_dog Wrote:
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> ROPENI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > To:Rank Outsider,Jumping Kent Flash, Retired
> Dog,
> > If you guys think that being a true Stones
> fan
> > means, not pointing out the fact that as much
> as
> > we hate to admit it they have become a big
> > corporation with only one thing in mind make
> more
> > money at the expense of the fans,then l guess
> l am
> > not what you call a true fan. Selling t
> shirts for
> > $45.00,a new cd with old stuff that everyone
> has
> > hear before and then trying to pass it as
> > "rareties" to me that is a ripp off, a dvd
> with
> > six "new songs" 4 of which are very bad
> "sol,and
> > "rain",$450.00for a seat.and so on.
> > Look guys, the stones have become greedy old
> men
> > who don't give a shit about their fans.
> > And as far as calling me a thief cause l do
> > download stuff for free.
> > If any of you has ever downloaded anything at
> all,
> > then what does that make you?
> > Oh yes, l know "HYPOCRATES"
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > "MANOLO, SHOOT THAT PIECE OF SHIT"
>
> Hi Ropeni,
>
> you mention some good points because I (unlike
> Bjornulf) am not happy with everything the Stones
> do. However, accusing them of "rip-offs" is a
> different thing. They're not selling you bogus
> material, it's genuine Stones material, you may
> like it or not, but, again, that is a different
> thing. The one thing the Stones can be accused of
> is that they sold their souls to record companies
> and managers like Cohl who are obviously testing
> out the limits to the point that there's no street
> credibility to even speak of left. I will never
> buy a T-Shirt for 45 bucks, that's an insane price
> for something that costs a few (very few) bucks to
> produce (like two or three dollars). I will never
> pay 450 bucks for a Stones show because no band on
> earth is worth that amount of money for the ticket
> alone. Let them or their companies and managers
> test their limits - and if they fall flat on their
> faces -if not this time, maybe next time around-
> there is a good chance that they will come down to
> earth. But, if they still find enough people who
> pay these prices, they might even charge more next
> time around. That is the nature of not only their
> game, that is the nature of the economy game.
> There's nothing you and I can do about it in
> general, but we can always say: NO, NOT WITH ME.
> Try and find another fool - there are still many
> out there!
>
Hey Dog, even though we disagree as far as whether they are ripping off their faithfull fans.
l do agree on the rest of your post, its up to us to say enough is enough.
HAVE A NICE DAY

I think I speak for everyone here when I say "I am not gonna pay alot for my muffler."

It is truly annoying knowing what they have in the vaults if they put some minor effort into it. I agree if you dont like it dont buy it. And I wont buy it same as live licks cd, the first Stones release I never bought, same why should I buy that with no nuggets? Piece of shit. The new dvd and compliation cd a joke rip off.

It will be available for download on p2p, so you dont need to buy it anyway.

Regarding the so-called "Rarities" release, may I humbly point out to the Greediest Rock and Roll Band in the World that not a single Rolling Stones fan has ever once been excited about a "Remixed" version of a Stones song.

Mick Jagger do you listen to your remixes? When you really want to get fired up and party down do you crank up the "New Rock Remix" of Don't Stop?

cbtaco19 Wrote:
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> Regarding the so-called "Rarities" release, may I
> humbly point out to the Greediest Rock and Roll
> Band in the World that not a single Rolling Stones
> fan has ever once been excited about a "Remixed"
> version of a Stones song.
>
> Mick Jagger do you listen to your remixes? When
> you really want to get fired up and party down do
> you crank up the "New Rock Remix" of Don't Stop?


remixes are just another marketing scam

BV...you say the Stones are not a charity organization...maybe they should be.

I can see it now..."THE STONES LICK POVERTY"...anyway...just a thought...but I agree with your point. I think the ticket prices are obscene, but nothing wrong with putting out a CD.