Only in America. Well Little Ian Brennan, I might tell you I sang the whole song in front of a camera in Copenhagens Central Station on the 2nd of september 2006 on my way to Horsens. The film crew wanted me to perform Satisfaction but I wanted to sing Brown Sugar instead, as it's a better tune. A capella and all, going down the escalators I did it in one take. I did a damn good job and I got to see it in my hotel room in Horsens the same night after Kent Flash had performed on stage in the Town Square, I remember a great Heart Of Stone. Happy Days!

These hipsters who doesn't get one jota of history or Culture needs to banned from Writing in big papers like The Chicago one. Bet he got his Little beard and his Little baseball cap and daesh trousers (cut above the ankles) on when he write his rubbish. What a C**t! Well it got me fired up for the day anyway, Cheers!



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nah, he self-identifies around the problem.

What a waste of paper (not to mention people's precious time ...).
The world is full of moral preachers, many of them at some point turn(ed) out to be the worst kind of people themselves ...
"You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't say that ...", but meanwhile ... what are they doing behind closed doors?

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DandelionPowderman
Song about a character, reflecting a time capsule in society. It still is.

Exactly.

I don't quite get the point of trying to interpret the song "irony-free". Should the song to be interpreted literally, as a particular political statement or declaration or what? Altogether, trying to isolate some certain phrases out of its context, which, after all, is a hot rock and roll tune, its biggest point being making one's ass move, full of double-meaning, edge, humor, irony, even self-irony ("cold English blood running hot"). It is sad that some folks are turning anything such dull literal and serious but stupid interpretation of certain words and phrases, all the use of higher imagination and intellect in seeing the bigger picture is forgotten. Like thinking is forgotten or denied. If anyone understand anything of The Rolling Stones and "Brown Sugar" one knows that there is not anything kind of racism involved. Quite the contrary, the lesson of "Brown Sugar" is anti-racist one actually. Yeah, The Stones are playing with fire indeed (asking a bit from their listeners), but hell, that's what they, and the whole rock and roll culture, was once famous for.

Ian Brennan seems to be a good man, a sort of Alan Lomax of modern times, doing great things, but probably that of taking 'world music' and "promoting voices from underheard regions and persecuted populations" as such a heart agenda, clouds his judgment. Probably such a mainstream giant making tremendous amount of cash in music business as the Stones do, is a natural (and easy) target of criticism. That's what I take the tune of his article to be. That of moralizing them and their success. They are winning by wrong means (the claim of the Stones stealing black man's music and cashing with it, is not far I guess). The normative sentence "Instead of being held to a higher standard as their stature should demand, those with celebrity and power are too often given a pass" sounds simply naive.

No, I wouldn't speak the lyrics to “Brown Sugar” in its entirety aloud and irony-free before a diverse group of strangers. But I wouldn't speak "Satisfaction" or "Jumping Jack Flash" or, for god's sake, "Angie" or "Great Balls of Fire" or "Waterloo" either... People would think I am crazy... are any of those lyrics intended to be delivered that way or in that kind of context? C'mon... Those are bloody songs - music!

Funnily, from all Stones tunes, Bob Dylan decided to cover "Brown Sugar"...

- Doxa



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Doxa

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DandelionPowderman
Song about a character, reflecting a time capsule in society. It still is.

Exactly.

I don't quite get the point of trying to interpret the song "irony-free". Should the song to be interpreted literally, as a particular political statement or declaration or what? Altogether, trying to isolate some certain phrases out of its context, which, after all, is a hot rock and roll tune, its biggest point being making one's ass move, full of double-meaning, edge, humor, irony, even self-irony ("cold English blood running hot"). It is sad that some folks are turning anything such dull literal and serious but stupid interpretation of certain words and phrases, all the use of higher imagination and intellect in seeing the bigger picture is forgotten. Like thinking is forgotten or denied. If anyone understand anything of The Rolling Stones and "Brown Sugar" one knows that there is not anything kind of racism involved. Quite the contrary, the lesson of "Brown Sugar" is anti-racist one actually. Yeah, The Stones are playing with fire indeed (asking a bit from their listeners), but hell, that's what they, and the whole rock and roll culture, was once famous for.

Ian Brennan seems to be a good man, a sort of Alan Lomax of modern times, doing great things, but probably that of taking 'world music' and "promoting voices from underheard regions and persecuted populations" as such a heart agenda, clouds his judgment. Probably such a mainstream giant making tremendous amount of cash in music business as the Stones do, is a natural (and easy) target of criticism. That's what I take the tune of his article to be. That of moralizing them and their success. They are winning by wrong means (the claim of the Stones stealing black man's music and cashing with it, is not far I guess). The normative sentence "Instead of being held to a higher standard as their stature should demand, those with celebrity and power are too often given a pass" sounds simply naive.

No, I wouldn't speak the lyrics to “Brown Sugar” in its entirety aloud and irony-free before a diverse group of strangers. But I wouldn't speak "Satisfaction" or "Jumping Jack Flash" or, for god's sake, "Angie" or "Great Balls of Fire" or "Waterloo" either... People would think I am crazy... are any of those lyrics intended to be delivered that way or in that kind of context? C'mon... Those are bloody songs - music!

Funnily, from all Stones tunes, Bob Dylan decided to cover "Brown Sugar"...

- Doxa

Great post, and kudos for not just calling the author a PC idiot. There's more to discuss than just dismissing his opinion out of hand.

Funny how times change...

2019 : the Stones are the epigones of musical racism.
1964 : the Stones are credited with re-introducing white America to its blues artists...

Go figure!

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hopkins
that i shot the sheriff guy is in BIG trouble now...

Exactly. He isnt of course. Nor should he.

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hopkins
that i shot the sheriff guy is in BIG trouble now...

Exactly. He isnt of course. Nor should he.

Yeah, but he didn't shoot the deputy...that's gotta count for something, right?

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Doxa

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DandelionPowderman
Song about a character, reflecting a time capsule in society. It still is.

Exactly.

I don't quite get the point of trying to interpret the song "irony-free". Should the song to be interpreted literally, as a particular political statement or declaration or what? Altogether, trying to isolate some certain phrases out of its context, which, after all, is a hot rock and roll tune, its biggest point being making one's ass move, full of double-meaning, edge, humor, irony, even self-irony ("cold English blood running hot"). It is sad that some folks are turning anything such dull literal and serious but stupid interpretation of certain words and phrases, all the use of higher imagination and intellect in seeing the bigger picture is forgotten. Like thinking is forgotten or denied. If anyone understand anything of The Rolling Stones and "Brown Sugar" one knows that there is not anything kind of racism involved. Quite the contrary, the lesson of "Brown Sugar" is anti-racist one actually. Yeah, The Stones are playing with fire indeed (asking a bit from their listeners), but hell, that's what they, and the whole rock and roll culture, was once famous for.

Ian Brennan seems to be a good man, a sort of Alan Lomax of modern times, doing great things, but probably that of taking 'world music' and "promoting voices from underheard regions and persecuted populations" as such a heart agenda, clouds his judgment. Probably such a mainstream giant making tremendous amount of cash in music business as the Stones do, is a natural (and easy) target of criticism. That's what I take the tune of his article to be. That of moralizing them and their success. They are winning by wrong means (the claim of the Stones stealing black man's music and cashing with it, is not far I guess). The normative sentence "Instead of being held to a higher standard as their stature should demand, those with celebrity and power are too often given a pass" sounds simply naive.

No, I wouldn't speak the lyrics to “Brown Sugar” in its entirety aloud and irony-free before a diverse group of strangers. But I wouldn't speak "Satisfaction" or "Jumping Jack Flash" or, for god's sake, "Angie" or "Great Balls of Fire" or "Waterloo" either... People would think I am crazy... are any of those lyrics intended to be delivered that way or in that kind of context? C'mon... Those are bloody songs - music!

Funnily, from all Stones tunes, Bob Dylan decided to cover "Brown Sugar"...

- Doxa

He is not a good man. He is a policing speech controlling SJW type. There is nothing good about the neo moralists of 2019. There is nothing one can do or say to appease these smug cretines. Sorry about the rant.

It took longer than I expected for someone to invoke the "SJW!!!1!11" bogeyman. Everyone take a drink!

i can tell you the lyrics are right

Life's just a cocktail party on the street

" Mary had a little lamb, it's fleece was white as ...."

Hold on just a minute ! Are you insinuating that it was a nice lamb because it was white ?

...and what about animal welfare when she takes it "everywhere" ....and why did Mary have to pointlessly have a lamb following her around ...

...is that because her brother Marty , being a boy, obviously had more important things to do, and no time for such girly nonsense !

I had to look up Ian Brennan and the meaning of SJW.

It’s interesting how many here are offended by someone being offended.

Some folks try really hard to be offended ...and with plenty of practice they become very good at it.

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MadMax
Only in America. Well Little Ian Brennan, I might tell you I sang the whole song in front of a camera in Copenhagens Central Station on the 2nd of september 2006 on my way to Horsens. The film crew wanted me to perform Satisfaction but I wanted to sing Brown Sugar instead, as it's a better tune. A capella and all, going down the escalators I did it in one take. I did a damn good job and I got to see it in my hotel room in Horsens the same night after Kent Flash had performed on stage in the Town Square, I remember a great Heart Of Stone. Happy Days!

These hipsters who doesn't get one jota of history or Culture needs to banned from Writing in big papers like The Chicago one. Bet he got his Little beard and his Little baseball cap and daesh trousers (cut above the ankles) on when he write his rubbish. What a C**t! Well it got me fired up for the day anyway, Cheers!

Only in America, the EU, Sweden, England, Canada, Australia.

The Prince estate is releasing a new album called 'Originals,'

and I can’t wait to hear Prince sing ‘Sex Shooter’

Perhaps I’m not morally fit to judge immoral lyrics><

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DandelionPowderman
Song about a character, reflecting a time capsule in society. It still is.

That’s what it was in 71 also I assume.

In about 1974 my friend worked the summer in a travelling carnival going up and down the eastern United States. He was mature for his age at 15 years old, and working a typical carnival concession. He was having xes like crazy with the local girls at every stop. The travelling carnivals were sleazy and also included stripper shows in their own separate tents. He had xes with some of the strippers.

"I bet your mamma was a tent show queen, and all her boyfriends were sweet sixteen."

That lyric is about a slice of real life.

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Big Al
All I draw from Brown Sugar is that Mick must’ve really being enjoying bonking Marsha Hunt at the time. Actually, has Mick ever been romantically linked with any other black women?

Well, there are two AfroAmerican beauties taking the credit for being the inspiration for "Brown Sugar", Marsha Hunt and Claudia Lennear. Claudia, an Ikette, was very much onboard at the time Mick finished the lyrics for the song. She claims Mick admitting that to her. Watching how Mick still, dedades later, describes her in "Twenty Steps from Stardom" seems to confirm that...




- Doxa

P.S. Not just Mick, but also Bowie made a song inspired by her...



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I told you didn’t I? SJWs are the Maoists of today.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-rolling-stones-brown-sugar-racist-lyrics-20190524-story.html



ARTICLE



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More here: [iorr.org]

The entirety of the ROLLING STONES image and history is based on cultural appropriation and misogyny.

Ian Brennan is a social justice posturing twit. He can listen to Beyoncé and Katy Perry and leave us knuckle dragging Neanderthals to wallow in our un-woke ignorance whilst dancing and swilling beer and shouting,'YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! WHOOOO!!!" for literally the ten thousandth time.

It's amazing the lengths virtue flaunting poseurs will go to get noticed on the internet.

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rbk
The entirety of the ROLLING STONES image and history is based on cultural appropriation and misogyny.

Ian Brennan is a social justice posturing twit. He can listen to Beyoncé and Katy Perry and leave us knuckle dragging Neanderthals to wallow in our un-woke ignorance whilst dancing and swilling beer and shouting,'YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! WHOOOO!!!" for literally the ten thousandth time.

It's amazing the lengths virtue flaunting poseurs will go to get noticed on the internet.

Next article will be a smug piece about offended Stonesfans. Mick was an actor. He portrayed killers, rapists, son of a slave owner, Victorian heartthrob, a prostitute, punk rocker etc.



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they should have censored Bobby's sax solo immediately..

its the raunchiest solo ever ....

I mean, in fairness, they are some crazy lyrics. If I heard widespread offense by African-Americans, I'd give it pause, but I never have. Maybe it's just because Jagger is hard to understand. Has anyone ever asked Darryl or Bernard or Lisa about it?

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they should have censored Bobby's sax solo immediately..

its the raunchiest solo ever ....

Yes it was...bless him.

Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo.
Bullocks
Get Out Of The Past And Into Today.
Was something written in the last 6
months that this person finds grotesque
Focus on that and
Get Off My Cloud !



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In my opinion it's the same as TV shows, if it doesn't impress you then don't watch it. People expect something to be changed because it's not to their liking. What about the people that like it the way it is. I don't mind people liking something I don't, and they don't have to share my appreciation either, I'll get on just fine. Maybe it's a question of tolerance. My two cents.

Who the f... is this guy? Guess he's just amish or something religious BS...or are all the Americans turning in to a "Hanmaid's Tale" society?