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Stu gave Brian’s Gibson Firebird to Peter Swales from the Stones Office.
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How can you not agree on facts? What a silly remark. I know it is more romantic to believe everything was stolen from him, but that's just not true.
The Harmony Stratone has shown up in the hands of a dentist friend and put up for auction. The Vox Teardrop and Gretsch Anniversary given away by Brian and now property of the Hardrock Cafe. Then the remaining guitars: most likely not 'owned' by Brian, but given or loaned to the Stones, just as any big band received instruments as promotion. The Casino was stolen on tour in Germany in '66. The ES-330 with nickel plated P90's has been used by Keith extensively, and shown up on the '69 tour and during recordings in '70. The LP Goldtop is now owned by Bill Wyman. The two sunburst Hummingbirds used since '65 can be seen in the hands of the Stones until at least '75 (Angie clip for example). The blonde Hummingbird is most likely the same Hummingbird as Keith played at Nellcote, and which Jagger has played since the early 90's. The 12-string Rickenbacker has been used, according to Taylor, by both Richards and Taylor in the early 70's. The non-reverse Firebird has shown up in the hands of Taylor in late 69, early 70, also indicating these where band instruments more than Jones's. At least one Vox Bijou was stolen during a tour and replaced, I don't know where the second one went. His Mellotron was reportedly shipped to his father.
Did I miss any instrument? Reportedly the Stones have various warehouses and storage rooms all over the world where they keep piles and piles of equipment and instruments, and they are also know for giving away much when they are not interested in them anymore. Also, a lot is stolen from hotel and dressing rooms over the years. But I wouldn't be surprised that when Keith opens his vaults hundreds of guitars fall out, including many associated with Brian, like the missing Firebird VII.
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Edit: from another post I understand the Cleveland Hall of Fame museum has a Bijou that 'might'have belonged to the Stones.
The Firebird VII has shown up as well. It is in the hands of a British collector who also owns Keith's Hyde Park Flying V. The Firebird is refinished back to its original sunburst, and played extensively throughout the 70's.
This means that litereally all of Brian's guitar and instruments have shown up by now.
The same thing by the way for most of Keith Richards guitars that where used in the 1967 to 1975 period and either lost or stolen. All but the Ampeg Dan Armstrongs have shown up in the last few years.
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2nd question: For those who are tuned into this kind of thing (I'm not) what are the best ways to determine which guitar line is Brian's on Stones' tracks? I've been listening to them since early 70s and seem to always get it wrong (As kids we went by the rule that anything "lead" was Brian and anything "rhythm" was Keith, as time passed we realized we had no idea who we were hearing)
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His Majesty
By Beggars Banquet there's the obvious slide on No Expectations and also on the unreleased Still A Fool. Other than that all there is is Bill saying Brian played acoustic on Jumpin' Jack Flash.
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TheflyingDutchman
On the clip below he's playing the guitar (jjf), so in the studio he might have been involved on the acoustic as well.
JJF - 1968
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Ronnie played Brian's Firebird on the Stripped-shows, no?
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TheflyingDutchman
On the clip below he's playing the guitar (jjf), so in the studio he might have been involved on the acoustic as well.
JJF - 1968
What Brian is shown playing is not heard. He's shown playing the same basic part he played later at the R&R Circus.
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TheflyingDutchman
At least nice to see he still was (remotely) attached to the guitar in 1968.
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His Majesty
By Beggars Banquet there's the obvious slide on No Expectations and also on the unreleased Still A Fool. Other than that all there is is Bill saying Brian played acoustic on Jumpin' Jack Flash.
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His Majesty
The acoustic philips cassette take is mostly buried, it's like a muffled dirty driving rhythm in the background. If Bill is right, Brian played along with Keith on that take.
All the other guitars are electric and all most likely played by Keith.
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TheflyingDutchman
Does this philips cassette take with Keith and probably Brian still exist- without the overdubs ?
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TheflyingDutchman
Does this philips cassette take with Keith and probably Brian still exist- without the overdubs ?
Not for us to hear.
The cassette take of SFM was available to hear at Exhibitionsm. Fascinating to hear it on it's own.
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TheflyingDutchman
Thanks, then you must have heard an acoustic guitar as well
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TheflyingDutchman
Thanks, then you must have heard an acoustic guitar as well
A distorted one, but, a different song.
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Quite a downer.
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TheflyingDutchman
Quite a downer.
No, fascinating.
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DandelionPowderman
Ronnie played Brian's Firebird on the Stripped-shows, no?
No.
Tis a different Firebird.
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TheflyingDutchman
At least nice to see he still was (remotely) attached to the guitar in 1968.
It's all quite odd. Some wonky mental block seems to have developed in relation to playing guitar properly with the stones.
But, all along his relationship with the guitar is quite odd. A guitarist that seemed to not want to express himself via lead guitar. He plays harmonica on both sides of stones debut single.