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jlowe
The Stones have never been just about music.
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If you are looking for something else...maybe the Mark Knofler fan site....or delve into classical or jazz music.Or just focus on Mr C Watts.
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jlowe
The Stones have never been just about music.
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If you are looking for something else...maybe the Mark Knofler fan site....or delve into classical or jazz music.Or just focus on Mr C Watts.
Yes I exactly said that they are not just about music, loud and clear in my message.
I also listen to classical or Jazz, what's wrong with that? Or with Charlie?
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Grichka
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Can we talk about music?
" Thief in the night" is my absolute favorite Keith's song, what do you guys think?
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Maindefender
90% of what goes on this site is mostly BS, unmeasured and unfiltered. Maybe 95%.
Start a thread, "favorite Keith song" and see what happens......(please don't lol)
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treaclefingers
at 150+ shows, you are hardly the 'average' stones fan.
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Maindefender
90% of what goes on this site is mostly BS, unmeasured and unfiltered. Maybe 95%.
Start a thread, "favorite Keith song" and see what happens......(please don't lol)
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treaclefingers
at 150+ shows, you are hardly the 'average' stones fan.
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Yes that's what I thought and then I met BV..... :-)
And many others...
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Grichka
# The average Stones fan speculating on Mick health is is not only wasting your time, he is very prompt to being rude
" Thief in the night" is my absolute favorite Keith's song, what do you guys think?
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jlowe
I also listen to classical or Jazz, what's wrong with that? Or with Charlie?
Wait...what's wrong with Charlie?? Is the cancer back? Is he back on the dope? Break his hand??? Come onnnn. Obsessed fans gotta know!
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Grichka
I have wasted my time this week-end reading all the whining and absurdities after the tour postponement, on several sites and this is how I feel.
# I'm an average Stones fan, 150 + concerts, first one was Brussels Affair wh...
Can we talk about music?
" Thief in the night" is my absolute favorite Keith's song, what do you guys think?
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Maindefender
90% of what goes on this site is mostly BS, unmeasured and unfiltered. Maybe 95%.
Start a thread, "favorite Keith song" and see what happens......(please don't lol)
But but... there is nothing wrong with "favourite Keith song" thread, and there is no need for any speculation, since the only authority which matters is people's own idiosyncratic taste. Usually the problem starts, and the road for useless speculation is open, when people start using personal taste as a way of judging factual matters. But the nature of opinions based on interpreting factual matters and those stemming out of personal taste are categorically different, while the very term 'opinion' covers both.
For example, let us imagine a following thought experiment in the form of a argument (to see the logical inconsistancy in flesh):
(1) Within a ten years time, as a writer Mick Jagger has released bonus material to deluxe editions of their classical albums, SUPERHEAVY, plus a couple of Stones and solo tracks.
(2) Within the same amount of time Keith Richards has released about the same amount of original songs (though, some of them deriving from years earlier)
(3) I don't like any of those Jagger releases, actually I loathe about all of them. What has happened to him?
(4) I love CROSSYEYD HEART! Superb stuff, as good as his other solo albums if not even better, not even far from the greatness of EXILE.
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Conclusion: Mick Jagger has a writer's block, but Keith Richards has not.
And from this we can draw, for example, some interesting consequences, such as having an explanation why The Rolling Stones have supposed difficulties in finishing their new album ('half of the Glimmer Twins having a writer's block; Mick cannot provide his own songs good enough for the Stones, as we can seen from the base of his solo single, nor he is able to finish Keith's gems, which, as we can assume from the base of CH, are are great as ever'), etc.
But it could be all of that funny 'logic' is based on non-written presupposition that 'I don't like Mick Jagger per se, but I adore Keith Richards'...
All of this is, of course, totally hypothetical..
But what goes for the original post of this thread, I share the sentiments there. But as far as speculation goes, there is nothing wrong there in principle, quite the opposite (I love speculation!). But the question remains which are kind of factual matters of which we supposed to have some educated guesses, theories, justified beliefs, opinions etc. about. I suppose it is the good old common sense, with a certain ethical concern, that should be applied there in determining the adequate realm. And what is the factual base that makes it worth eloborating the case further (to provide, say, some reasonable speculative theories). That of guessing people's health, with minimal facts available, most probably is not. And having facts or not, is it really necessary in a principle to go guessing those kind of things, no matter how curious we are by nature and how much we feel that the private matters of a public animal like Mick Jagger 'belong naturally to all of us'. To me the last point was an open issue with no determinate answer.
- Doxa
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Maindefender
90% of what goes on this site is mostly BS, unmeasured and unfiltered. Maybe 95%.
Start a thread, "favorite Keith song" and see what happens......(please don't lol)
But but... there is nothing wrong with "favourite Keith song" thread, and there is no need for any speculation, since the only authority which matters is people's own idiosyncratic taste. Usually the problem starts, and the road for useless speculation is open, when people start using personal taste as a way of judging factual matters. But the nature of opinions based on interpreting factual matters and those stemming out of personal taste are categorically different, while the very term 'opinion' covers both.at least that's no rocket science
For example, let us imagine a following thought experiment in the form of a argument (to see the logical inconsistancy in flesh):
(1) Within a ten years time, as a writer Mick Jagger has released bonus material to deluxe editions of their classical albums, SUPERHEAVY, plus a couple of Stones and solo tracks.
(2) Within the same amount of time Keith Richards has released about the same amount of original songs (though, some of them deriving from years earlier)
(3) I don't like any of those Jagger releases, actually I loathe about all of them. What has happened to him?
(4) I love CROSSYEYD HEART! Superb stuff, as good as his other solo albums if not even better, not even far from the greatness of EXILE.
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Conclusion: Mick Jagger has a writer's block, but Keith Richards has not.
And from this we can draw, for example, some interesting consequences, such as having an explanation why The Rolling Stones have supposed difficulties in finishing their new album ('half of the Glimmer Twins having a writer's block; Mick cannot provide his own songs good enough for the Stones, as we can seen from the base of his solo single, nor he is able to finish Keith's gems, which, as we can assume from the base of CH, are are great as ever'), etc.
But it could be all of that funny 'logic' is based on non-written presupposition that 'I don't like Mick Jagger per se, but I adore Keith Richards'...
All of this is, of course, totally hypothetical..
But what goes for the original post of this thread, I share the sentiments there. But as far as speculation goes, there is nothing wrong there in principle, quite the opposite (I love speculation!). But the question remains which are kind of factual matters of which we supposed to have some educated guesses, theories, justified beliefs, opinions etc. about. I suppose it is the good old common sense, with a certain ethical concern, that should be applied there in determining the adequate realm. And what is the factual base that makes it worth eloborating the case further (to provide, say, some reasonable speculative theories). That of guessing people's health, with minimal facts available, most probably is not. And having facts or not, is it really necessary in a principle to go guessing those kind of things, no matter how curious we are by nature and how much we feel that the private matters of a public animal like Mick Jagger 'belong naturally to all of us'. To me the last point was an open issue with no determinate answer.
- Doxa
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jlowe
The Stones have never been just about music.
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If you are looking for something else...maybe the Mark Knofler fan site....or delve into classical or jazz music.Or just focus on Mr C Watts.
Yes I exactly said that they are not just about music, loud and clear in my message.
I also listen to classical or Jazz, what's wrong with that? Or with Charlie?
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Maindefender
- Doxa
What fascinates me most it that there's no musical (academical) explanation why the Stones sound good or bad (for that matter).. Actually that's the only Rolling Stones related philosophic /musical issue that really matters to me. Sorry if this sounds a bit snobby. Factual matters are related to statistics, historical events like record sales, health-matters or drug-busts etc, Factual matters have nothing to do with the 'academical quality' of the music, if it's relevant anyway. So we are doomed to stick to our opinions and individual tastes that makes us buy records and tickets and merchandise. It is all about ventilating opinions about songs, band-members and musical tastes or issues like "Why cannot they deliver an album" .Things that in its essence are completely uninteresting unless you're a fan enjoying their music and even wonder why they still manage to fill stadiums. Things that make people happy. It must be their designer sloppiness.
Exactly right. Yesterday I was playing ya ya on LP, remembering that was the very first record I heard in my life. And 50 years later it still sound so perfectly imperfect, the guts, the energy, the absolute coordination, the atmosphere, the spirit of this year, the fascinated crowd, GOSH!!! How can it be that I still have the same pleasure and excitement listening to that after 50 years!!!
And I still discover details I did not notice before, especially when played on a top system.
This is just magic.
[www.lesoir.be]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-04-02 06:13 by Grichka.