Tell Me :
Talk
Another fantastic track that perhaps is even more mysteriously at such a high level. Not a single, not in movies or commercials that I recall.
Just because it's on Hot Rocks? Wow.
Yeah, some things change rapidly these days.
Great to see Angry in there. The second newest tracks are from 1981! Not enough love for anything from 1983-2016. Which is understandable for a top 20.
Over the years I've really gotten to liking Beast Of Burden much more (and Miss You). However I don't ever need to hear SFTD or Ruby Tuesday ever again.
August 29, 2024 will be three years without Spotify.
Shit I managed to destroy my original post of this thread by trying to update the list. I pressed 'editing' instead of 'quoting'... Lots of whatever stuff is now gone, but it is what is...
- Doxa
Here's a backup of your original post: [Web.Archive.org] .
Thanks, Irix!
I edited the first post into original form.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-07-07 13:27 by Doxa.
Great post, and I entirely agree. Whilst the ‘shorter tracks’ phenomenon is definitely a happening, the all-too-often lack of a bridge or middle-eight is equally significant. My point being that, although, say the Beatles’ singles clocked in at 3-minutes or under, they were often increasingly complex. Bottom line: it’s not merely about ‘song length’ Songwriting has been dumbed down incredibly.
Interesting but a stretch, perhaps.
Here's only one example:
Start Me Up is 3:34. It doesn't have a bridge (aka middle 8) nor a radio edit.
That was 1981. They've had singles since then that were a minute shorter and longer but generally nothing over 4:30, with and without bridges, with single (radio) edits being shorter than LP versions.
Nice to be back!
Very interesting piece, thanks for posting! I also found the (previous) main article an interesting read, providing a bigger picture of this line of thought: [www.alexmurrell.co.uk]
Queen probably, Elton John probably, Eagles maybe. Can't think of anyone else in the "peer" category.
Peers can always be discussed. My kind of evaluation are legendary artists or groups. So would be (that are above them in monthly listeners currently): Queen, Beatles, Creedence, ABBA, Metallica, Billy Joel, AC/DC, GnR, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac (amazing btw how they keep up holding 52 million monthly listeners) etc.
WTF is ATH?
No wonder UMG made a huge deal with Spotify - low hanging fruit.
All time high
Oh ok well it's Spotify - it means nothing except for UMG and their special deal. It's probably fake.
Did you read the link?
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
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treaclefingers
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Date: June 11, 2024 21:46
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The streams of "Under My Thumb" should be 82,079. Pardon me.
- Doxa
Another fantastic track that perhaps is even more mysteriously at such a high level. Not a single, not in movies or commercials that I recall.
Just because it's on Hot Rocks? Wow.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: June 11, 2024 22:18
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Doxa
The streams of "Under My Thumb" should be 82,079. Pardon me.
- Doxa
Yeah, some things change rapidly these days.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
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GasLightStreet
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Date: June 12, 2024 00:24
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Some more trivia here. As The Stones storm over America, this is what Spotify listeners at the moment stream from them daily:
1. Paint It, Black 902,656
2. Start Me Up 498,678
3. Satisfaction 436,012
4. Beast of Burden 363,493
5. Gimme Shelter 329,414
6. Sympathy For The Devil 257,347
7. Angie 201,558
8. Miss You 153,364
9. Wild Horses 126,667
10. Honky Tonk Women 104,951
11. Brown Sugar 101,600
12. You Can't Always Get What You Want 91,438
13. Under My Thumb 69,458
14. She's A Rainbow 70,129
15. Jumpin' Jack Flash 69,458
16. Ruby Tuesday 65,204
17. Tumbling Dice 50,749
18. Can't You Hear Me Knocking 50,091
19. Angry 43,155
20. Waiting On A Friend 34,851
- Doxa
All songs from the first 10 years of their career, with the exception of 3. No Black& Blue track, which I find surprising. One might expect Memory Motel or Hot Stuff.
First 10 years would be 62-71
Outside of that period are 7 songs. For me the most startling and fabulous pick is Can't You Hear Me Knocking...I guess the "Scorese effect" worked on that one, what a fabulous track.
Great to see Angry in there. The second newest tracks are from 1981! Not enough love for anything from 1983-2016. Which is understandable for a top 20.
Over the years I've really gotten to liking Beast Of Burden much more (and Miss You). However I don't ever need to hear SFTD or Ruby Tuesday ever again.
August 29, 2024 will be three years without Spotify.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
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Date: July 31, 2024 08:46
Georgelicks - any updates on HD sales per country?
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
DGA35
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Date: August 1, 2024 03:01
Also Georgelicks, any Billboard Boxscores yet?
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: July 7, 2025 12:43
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Okay, let's add to the orginal list made in 2019 the sales of HACKNEY DIAMONDS, it making a respected #43... Let me remind that the rest of the list derive mostly from the sales by the end of 2015 so it is not quite accurate and lacks some other new releases - such a EL MOCAMBO - but I don't think that much has really changed, knowing how little the albums sell nowadays.
1. HOT ROCKS 12,8 millions
2. SOME GIRLS 11,3
3. STICKY FINGERS 9,4
4. TATTOO YOU 8,5
5. EXILE ON MAIN STREET 8,1
6. FORTY LICKS 7,7
7. LET IT BLEED 7,0
8. JUMP BACK 6,9
9. BIG HITS (HIGH TIDE AND GREEN GRASS) 6,7
10. VOODOO LOUNGE 6,4
11. GOATS HEAD SOUP 6,4
12. THROUGH THE PAST, DARKLY (BIG HITS VOL. 2) 6,0
13. EMOTIONAL RESCUE 5,7
14. STEEL WHEELS 5,6
15. BRIDGES TO BABYLON 4,7
16. BLACK AND BLUE 4,1
17. BEGGARS BANQUET 4,0
18. FLASHPOINT 4,0
19. STRIPPED 4,0
20. AFTERMATH 3,9
21. DIRTY WORK 3,9
22. IT'S ONLY ROCK'N'ROLL 3,7
23. GET YER YA-YA'S OUT! 3,6
24. UNDERCOVER 3,4
25. STILL LIFE 3,2
26. OUT OF OUR HEADS 2,9
27. A BIGGER BANG 2,6
28. REWIND 2,5
29. BLUE & LONESOME 2,5 (?)
30. THE ROLLING STONES/ENGLAND'S NEWEST HITMAKERS 2,5
31. THEIR SATANIC MAJESTIES 2,5
32. LOVE YOU LIVE 2,5
33. GREATEST HITS 2,4
34. GRRR! 2,2
35. BETWEEN THE BUTTONS 2,2
36. SINGLES COLLECTION: THE LONDON YEARS 2,2
37. MADE IN THE SHADE 1,9
38. MORE HOT ROCKS 1,7
39. GOT LIVE IF YOU WANT IT! 1,7
40. 12X5 1,7
41. FLOWERS 1,5
42. ROLLED GOLD 1,5
43. HACKNEY DIAMONDS 1.4
44. METAMORPHOSIS 1,4
45. THE ROLLING STONES, NOW! 1,3
46. DECEMBER'S CHILDREN 1,3
47. NO SECURITY 1,3
48. SUCKING IN THE SEVENTIES 1,3
49. THE ROLLING STONES NO 2 1,0
50. LIVE LICKS 0,8
51. SHINE A LIGHT 0,7
52. STONE AGE 0,5
53. ROCK & ROLL CIRCUS 0,5
54. GIMME SHELTER 0,4
55. MILESTONES 0,4
56. RARITIES 1971-2003 0,4
57. SWEET SUMMER SUN 0,3
58. STORY OF THE STONES 0,3
59. HONK 0,2
60. THE VERY BEST OF 0,2
61. BRAVO 0,2
62. ON AIR 0,2
63. TIME WAITS FOR NO ONE 0,1
- Doxa
Shit I managed to destroy my original post of this thread by trying to update the list. I pressed 'editing' instead of 'quoting'... Lots of whatever stuff is now gone, but it is what is...
- Doxa
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
Irix
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Date: July 7, 2025 13:05
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Doxa
Shit I managed to destroy my original post of this thread by trying to update the list.
Here's a backup of your original post: [Web.Archive.org] .
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: July 7, 2025 13:26
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IrixQuote
Doxa
Shit I managed to destroy my original post of this thread by trying to update the list.
Here's a backup of your original post: [Web.Archive.org] .
Thanks, Irix!
I edited the first post into original form.
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-07-07 13:27 by Doxa.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
gustavobala
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Date: July 11, 2025 01:04
lp bravo? what @#$%& in hell is this??
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
gustavobala
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Date: July 11, 2025 01:05
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: September 22, 2025 15:27
Songs have been getting shorter for years, according to an analysis of the Billboard 100. At the beginning of this century, the average track in the American charts lasted 4 minutes and 10 seconds. By the end of 2021, that average had dropped to only 3 minutes and 7 seconds. Intros are disappearing, as are the bridges between verse and chorus. As a result, music is becoming more monotonous.
The reasons for this musical revolution are being debated. The rise of streaming services like Spotify seems to play a significant role. They pay artists when a user listens to a song for half a minute. This makes it more lucrative for musicians to create shorter songs. "An album with twenty two-minute tracks generates twice as much revenue as an album with ten four-minute tracks," writes Alex Murrell in an insightful article about the changing music world.
Source: [www.alexmurrell.co.uk]
The reasons for this musical revolution are being debated. The rise of streaming services like Spotify seems to play a significant role. They pay artists when a user listens to a song for half a minute. This makes it more lucrative for musicians to create shorter songs. "An album with twenty two-minute tracks generates twice as much revenue as an album with ten four-minute tracks," writes Alex Murrell in an insightful article about the changing music world.
Source: [www.alexmurrell.co.uk]
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
Jeter1984
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Date: September 22, 2025 16:33
Any idea or guesses as to what Amazon paid to have JJF in their new web services commercials?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-09-22 16:33 by Jeter1984.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2025-09-22 16:33 by Jeter1984.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
Big Al
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Date: September 22, 2025 19:35
Quote
TheflyingDutchman
Songs have been getting shorter for years, according to an analysis of the Billboard 100. At the beginning of this century, the average track in the American charts lasted 4 minutes and 10 seconds. By the end of 2021, that average had dropped to only 3 minutes and 7 seconds. Intros are disappearing, as are the bridges between verse and chorus. As a result, music is becoming more monotonous.
The reasons for this musical revolution are being debated. The rise of streaming services like Spotify seems to play a significant role. They pay artists when a user listens to a song for half a minute. This makes it more lucrative for musicians to create shorter songs. "An album with twenty two-minute tracks generates twice as much revenue as an album with ten four-minute tracks," writes Alex Murrell in an insightful article about the changing music world.
Source: [www.alexmurrell.co.uk]
Great post, and I entirely agree. Whilst the ‘shorter tracks’ phenomenon is definitely a happening, the all-too-often lack of a bridge or middle-eight is equally significant. My point being that, although, say the Beatles’ singles clocked in at 3-minutes or under, they were often increasingly complex. Bottom line: it’s not merely about ‘song length’ Songwriting has been dumbed down incredibly.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: September 23, 2025 09:14
Quote
TheflyingDutchman
Songs have been getting shorter for years, according to an analysis of the Billboard 100. At the beginning of this century, the average track in the American charts lasted 4 minutes and 10 seconds. By the end of 2021, that average had dropped to only 3 minutes and 7 seconds. Intros are disappearing, as are the bridges between verse and chorus. As a result, music is becoming more monotonous.
The reasons for this musical revolution are being debated. The rise of streaming services like Spotify seems to play a significant role. They pay artists when a user listens to a song for half a minute. This makes it more lucrative for musicians to create shorter songs. "An album with twenty two-minute tracks generates twice as much revenue as an album with ten four-minute tracks," writes Alex Murrell in an insightful article about the changing music world.
Source: [www.alexmurrell.co.uk]
Interesting but a stretch, perhaps.
Here's only one example:
Start Me Up is 3:34. It doesn't have a bridge (aka middle 8) nor a radio edit.
That was 1981. They've had singles since then that were a minute shorter and longer but generally nothing over 4:30, with and without bridges, with single (radio) edits being shorter than LP versions.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: April 1, 2026 02:23
The Stones are back on the Billboard 200 after almost 2 years, Hot Rocks re-enters this week at #199 for the first time since July 6, 2024, exactly 21 months later. 2025 was the first year since 2009 that the Stones failed to place any album on the US chart: Hot Rocks did not re-enter and Black and Blue did not appear either.
The Stones' longevity on the US charts rises to almost 62 years with this re-entry of Hot Rocks, since the debut of Not Fade Away in late April 1964 and the debut album in June 1964 as well.
[www.billboard.com]
The Stones' longevity on the US charts rises to almost 62 years with this re-entry of Hot Rocks, since the debut of Not Fade Away in late April 1964 and the debut album in June 1964 as well.
[www.billboard.com]
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
()
Date: April 1, 2026 08:04
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georgelicks
The Stones are back on the Billboard 200 after almost 2 years, Hot Rocks re-enters this week at #199 for the first time since July 6, 2024, exactly 21 months later. 2025 was the first year since 2009 that the Stones failed to place any album on the US chart: Hot Rocks did not re-enter and Black and Blue did not appear either.
The Stones' longevity on the US charts rises to almost 62 years with this re-entry of Hot Rocks, since the debut of Not Fade Away in late April 1964 and the debut album in June 1964 as well.
[www.billboard.com]
Nice to be back!
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
()
Date: May 24, 2026 11:47
Seems like our guys will finally break their old record on Spotify - probably achieving 30 million monthly listeners in the upcoming week or so. Still far behind peers obviously. But at least some growth!
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
doitywoik
()
Date: May 24, 2026 15:10
Very interesting piece, thanks for posting! I also found the (previous) main article an interesting read, providing a bigger picture of this line of thought: [www.alexmurrell.co.uk]
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
guyrachel
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Date: May 24, 2026 17:15
When you say far behind their peers… Who do you mean by their peers? Because when I have looked up Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Who, the kinks, they seem to be ahead of them… Not The Beatles… The Beatles have about 6 million more listeners… But yeah just interested to know your thoughts and who you mean by peers…?
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: May 24, 2026 17:46
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guyrachel
When you say far behind their peers… Who do you mean by their peers? Because when I have looked up Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Who, the kinks, they seem to be ahead of them… Not The Beatles… The Beatles have about 6 million more listeners… But yeah just interested to know your thoughts and who you mean by peers…?
Queen probably, Elton John probably, Eagles maybe. Can't think of anyone else in the "peer" category.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
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Date: May 24, 2026 18:49
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guyrachel
When you say far behind their peers… Who do you mean by their peers? Because when I have looked up Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Who, the kinks, they seem to be ahead of them… Not The Beatles… The Beatles have about 6 million more listeners… But yeah just interested to know your thoughts and who you mean by peers…?
Queen probably, Elton John probably, Eagles maybe. Can't think of anyone else in the "peer" category.
Peers can always be discussed. My kind of evaluation are legendary artists or groups. So would be (that are above them in monthly listeners currently): Queen, Beatles, Creedence, ABBA, Metallica, Billy Joel, AC/DC, GnR, Elton John, Fleetwood Mac (amazing btw how they keep up holding 52 million monthly listeners) etc.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
MelBelli
()
Date: May 24, 2026 21:35
Eagles and Led Zeppelin, both of whom outsold the Stones in '70s, trail the Stones on Spotify.
The Eagles, or at least Henley, have done their best to alienate fans who seek their music online. So that's not terribly surprising,
Zeppelin kind of does surprise me.
If there was an obvious recipe or formula for legacy acts to win new fans, then they'd all do it.
The Eagles, or at least Henley, have done their best to alienate fans who seek their music online. So that's not terribly surprising,
Zeppelin kind of does surprise me.
If there was an obvious recipe or formula for legacy acts to win new fans, then they'd all do it.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: May 24, 2026 21:57
Spotify is now going to pay a higher royalty rate to Universal Music Publishing Group for mechanical royalties. Theoretically higher than Spotify is going to pay any other songwriter or publisher.
[aristake.com]
[aristake.com]
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
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Date: May 27, 2026 16:39
Now on ATH in number of monthly streamers on Spotify!
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: May 27, 2026 19:22
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tiffanyblu
Now on ATH in number of monthly streamers on Spotify!
WTF is ATH?
No wonder UMG made a huge deal with Spotify - low hanging fruit.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
tiffanyblu
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Date: May 27, 2026 21:59
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tiffanyblu
Now on ATH in number of monthly streamers on Spotify!
WTF is ATH?
No wonder UMG made a huge deal with Spotify - low hanging fruit.
All time high
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: May 28, 2026 08:34
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tiffanybluQuote
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tiffanyblu
Now on ATH in number of monthly streamers on Spotify!
WTF is ATH?
No wonder UMG made a huge deal with Spotify - low hanging fruit.
All time high
Oh ok well it's Spotify - it means nothing except for UMG and their special deal. It's probably fake.
Re: Statistics, sales and other extremely fascinating stuff
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: May 28, 2026 08:42
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tiffanybluQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
tiffanyblu
Now on ATH in number of monthly streamers on Spotify!
WTF is ATH?
No wonder UMG made a huge deal with Spotify - low hanging fruit.
All time high
Did you read the link?
Quote
GasLightStreet
Spotify is now going to pay a higher royalty rate to Universal Music Publishing Group for mechanical royalties. Theoretically higher than Spotify is going to pay any other songwriter or publisher.
[aristake.com]
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