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HMS
Out Of Control sounds different on HONK to my ears. Haven´t heard the original studio version in a long time, but isn´t there a trumpet that is missing on HONK? The Honk-version also seems to sound less clean and slick than the original... it also seems to rock harder. Have to compare, but I think there is some different mixing done, at least for some parts of the song... Or is it only my old ears fooling me - very confusing.
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ironbellyIt is essentially the same track with some compression applied.Quote
HMS
Out Of Control sounds different on HONK to my ears. Haven´t heard the original studio version in a long time, but isn´t there a trumpet that is missing on HONK? The Honk-version also seems to sound less clean and slick than the original... it also seems to rock harder. Have to compare, but I think there is some different mixing done, at least for some parts of the song... Or is it only my old ears fooling me - very confusing.
From Japanese Bridges To Babylon CD [VJCP 25333]
From recent EU Honk CD 2
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SomeGuy
This loudness war thingy is indeed worrisome. It reminds me of the period around 1980 when Bob Clearmountain was associated with making single mixes for car stereos.
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SomeGuy
This loudness war thingy is indeed worrisome. It reminds me of the period around 1980 when Bob Clearmountain was associated with making single mixes for car stereos.
The so-called "loudness war" is trending since the mid-nineties. One of the first band to have a CD louder than everyone else was Oasis with Morning Glory back in 1995.
Unfortunately they are forced to compress everything and do volume adjustments in order to put all tracks on the same page. Otherwise the listening experience will be completely ruined. Just check that stupid For In Store Play Only US promo [Virgin 0946 3 41565 2 3] or therollingstonesinstoresampler EU [CDVDJ 3013] that was issued to promote A Bigger Bang. They used ABB tracks in their own mastering and the rest in slightly modified (2002 40 Licks) Virgin mastering. One should turn the knob back and forth because it is not possible to listen entire disc on the same level.Quote
jumpingjackflash5
Unfortunately, compressed mastering sounds just wrong.
They can make radio mix or whatever, but the standard CDs should be in Virgin mastering style (1990s). I think that 40 Licks still has decent dynamic range on most songs.
I do not like the new mastering with compression at all ....
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jumpingjackflash5
Yes, I mostly prefer the older ones.
A Bigger Bang unfortunately was also "hot" mastered. Here versions with good dynamic range do not exist.
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ironbellyUnfortunately they are forced to compress everything and do volume adjustments in order to put all tracks on the same page. Otherwise the listening experience will be completely ruined. Just check that stupid For In Store Play Only US promo [Virgin 0946 3 41565 2 3] or therollingstonesinstoresampler EU [CDVDJ 3013] that was issued to promote A Bigger Bang. They used ABB tracks in their own mastering and the rest in slightly modified (2002 40 Licks) Virgin mastering. One should turn the knob back and forth because it is not possible to listen entire disc on the same level.Quote
jumpingjackflash5
Unfortunately, compressed mastering sounds just wrong.
They can make radio mix or whatever, but the standard CDs should be in Virgin mastering style (1990s). I think that 40 Licks still has decent dynamic range on most songs.
I do not like the new mastering with compression at all ....
PS. The same mess could be found on American Express Promo Sampler [3648712.0094636487120]
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Meise
I created my own HONK incl. the same songs and unreleased live versions (found them on youtube). It took me about an hour, and I spent nothing but time and power for my notebook ...
I'm a huge and die-hard Stones fan, but folks: who really needs that compilation with the same contents over and over again? If it was for a poor band's money I'd understand ...
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Meise
I created my own HONK incl. the same songs and unreleased live versions (found them on youtube). It took me about an hour, and I spent nothing but time and power for my notebook ...
I'm a huge and die-hard Stones fan, but folks: who really needs that compilation with the same contents over and over again? If it was for a poor band's money I'd understand ...
Surely, the live album must have been worth the relatively cheap price? What was it again, £20?
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Meise
I created my own HONK incl. the same songs and unreleased live versions (found them on youtube). It took me about an hour, and I spent nothing but time and power for my notebook ...
I'm a huge and die-hard Stones fan, but folks: who really needs that compilation with the same contents over and over again? If it was for a poor band's money I'd understand ...
Surely, the live album must have been worth the relatively cheap price? What was it again, £20?
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Meise
I created my own HONK incl. the same songs and unreleased live versions (found them on youtube). It took me about an hour, and I spent nothing but time and power for my notebook ...
I'm a huge and die-hard Stones fan, but folks: who really needs that compilation with the same contents over and over again? If it was for a poor band's money I'd understand ...
Surely, the live album must have been worth the relatively cheap price? What was it again, £20?
Yep, I paid £13 for mine which is not a bad price for a single CD let alone three.
I see it that I got two free discs of hits alongside a new live album.
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DelticsQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Meise
I created my own HONK incl. the same songs and unreleased live versions (found them on youtube). It took me about an hour, and I spent nothing but time and power for my notebook ...
I'm a huge and die-hard Stones fan, but folks: who really needs that compilation with the same contents over and over again? If it was for a poor band's money I'd understand ...
Surely, the live album must have been worth the relatively cheap price? What was it again, £20?
Yep, I paid £13 for mine which is not a bad price for a single CD let alone three.
I see it that I got two free discs of hits alongside a new live album.
Good point of view!
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Cristiano RadtkeQuote
DelticsQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Meise
I created my own HONK incl. the same songs and unreleased live versions (found them on youtube). It took me about an hour, and I spent nothing but time and power for my notebook ...
I'm a huge and die-hard Stones fan, but folks: who really needs that compilation with the same contents over and over again? If it was for a poor band's money I'd understand ...
Surely, the live album must have been worth the relatively cheap price? What was it again, £20?
Yep, I paid £13 for mine which is not a bad price for a single CD let alone three.
I see it that I got two free discs of hits alongside a new live album.
Good point of view!
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rogerriffin
Today I can afford this poster with Mexican CD!
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35love
GasLightStreet can talk sound, remastering, compression.
To me, thru Spotify, HONK sounds very good. Ironically I usually need my car w/CD player to get more depth and feel, but I have not moved HONK off Spotify yet,
I’m enjoying it.
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HMS
It´s been seven years since GRRR. A new generation of music fans needed to be introduced to the Stones´ great body of work. HONK wasn´t designed for us die-hards. For those they offered the bonus-disc-version (at a very reasonable price I´d like to say).
I do not need disc 1 & 2 but listened to it and it was a lot of fun to hear the songs in random order. Disc 3 is ok (i think Dancing With Mr. D is much better than the original). Every band/artist releases a sampler from time to time, it´s part of the business, so I don´t mind it all.