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Definitely the worst album imho, the Stones are better than the blues with it's limitations and it shows. They sang blues covers in the beginning because they couldn't write their own, and then they did it again all those years later with BAL for the same reason.
I literately played the single a dozen times and played the album through a few times, found it too one dimensional, Keith didn't even get to sing a track on it, boring and lonesome indeed.
Yeah, horrible to think that Mick and Keith already in 1962 had a terrible writer's block (probably Mick just trying to follow the trends, digging the latest hit single by Cliff Richard or somebody, while ignoring Keith's great ideas). Hitting the wall already then. It must have been the founder of the band, Ian Stewart, suggesting them to play some blues covers instead.
This is what the post-factual world looks like. Everything is based on subjective opinion, and we all have one of those, like arseholes.
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Are you really that thick ?? you must know that i meant that before Mick and Keith even thought about writing their own songs they sang blues covers because they didn't have their own songs.
Nothing to do with writers block you sarcastic so and so.
And yes funny thing is when Don said they hit a wall they resort to old blues covers again.
If you love the blues you will love BAL, great, good for you, i prefer the songs Mick and Keith write, is that alright with you, hope i'm not being too subjective and receive the wrath of Doxa, no wonder DP left this place.
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Keith as you know thought about the idea of bringing back MT - not sure if he was serious or trying to dodge the whole weaving thing again in the interview.
Gotta give credit to Keith for at least hoping and trying!
"I wanted to see if it would blossom into something else, like a three-guitar band. I realized that was just a hope, an idea.
The Stones are a two-guitar band, and I know that, really. But ‘Midnight Rambler’ over the last year or so (with Taylor guesting) has been amazing.
He’s a lot looser than he was the first time around. He’s got a lot more mileage under the belt and a better sense of humor about it all.”
It would have been INCREDIBLE to see and hear how the band might have blossomed...imagine Taylor on Blue and Lonesome...it would have definitely taken it to a superior level IMO.
And there's the possibility the new album of originals would have been finished a long time ago. Mick and Charlie both have claimed the MT years as a peak and something special - a shame they decided not to revisit that.
The upsetting thing is it's not too late, Taylor is at home waiting for the call, just imagine the inspiration it would have given Jagger if Taylor was in the studio with the boys, and if they included him on this tour but on much more of the show it would be fantastic, it would have inspired all concerned.
Enjoyed MT at several shows when he guested.
Fantastic Rambler versions.. best I've witnessed.
By all accounts, there are good reasons he's sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring however.
Bit of a head-case may be putting it mildly. Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though, and glad he was able to hold it together and sit in with them as long as he did.
Applies to both of his stints with them now that I think about it.
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Definitely the worst album imho, the Stones are better than the blues with it's limitations and it shows. They sang blues covers in the beginning because they couldn't write their own, and then they did it again all those years later with BAL for the same reason.
I literately played the single a dozen times and played the album through a few times, found it too one dimensional, Keith didn't even get to sing a track on it, boring and lonesome indeed.
Yeah, horrible to think that Mick and Keith already in 1962 had a terrible writer's block (probably Mick just trying to follow the trends, digging the latest hit single by Cliff Richard or somebody, while ignoring Keith's great ideas). Hitting the wall already then. It must have been the founder of the band, Ian Stewart, suggesting them to play some blues covers instead.
This is what the post-factual world looks like. Everything is based on subjective opinion, and we all have one of those, like arseholes.
- Doxa
Are you really that thick ?? you must know that i meant that before Mick and Keith even thought about writing their own songs they sang blues covers because they didn't have their own songs.
Nothing to do with writers block you sarcastic so and so.
And yes funny thing is when Don said they hit a wall they resort to old blues covers again.
If you love the blues you will love BAL, great, good for you, i prefer the songs Mick and Keith write, is that alright with you, hope i'm not being too subjective and receive the wrath of Doxa, no wonder DP left this place.
The reason why the Stones played and sang blues covers in the beginning, was not, as you apparently will have it, because they did not have their own songs when they had happened to start a band, and then chose to play blues covers as a practical solution, but, quite opposite, out of love for the blues as music form. The big musical treasure that they had become aware of, and which made them set up a band, despite how limited you may find the blues. You ought to honour blues and the role of feeling that the blues involves.
That love for the blues and for R&B is really their deepest roots as band.
Then you may read Doxa's second paragraph once again.
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Keith as you know thought about the idea of bringing back MT - not sure if he was serious or trying to dodge the whole weaving thing again in the interview.
Gotta give credit to Keith for at least hoping and trying!
"I wanted to see if it would blossom into something else, like a three-guitar band. I realized that was just a hope, an idea.
The Stones are a two-guitar band, and I know that, really. But ‘Midnight Rambler’ over the last year or so (with Taylor guesting) has been amazing.
He’s a lot looser than he was the first time around. He’s got a lot more mileage under the belt and a better sense of humor about it all.”
It would have been INCREDIBLE to see and hear how the band might have blossomed...imagine Taylor on Blue and Lonesome...it would have definitely taken it to a superior level IMO.
And there's the possibility the new album of originals would have been finished a long time ago. Mick and Charlie both have claimed the MT years as a peak and something special - a shame they decided not to revisit that.
The upsetting thing is it's not too late, Taylor is at home waiting for the call, just imagine the inspiration it would have given Jagger if Taylor was in the studio with the boys, and if they included him on this tour but on much more of the show it would be fantastic, it would have inspired all concerned.
Enjoyed MT at several shows when he guested.
Fantastic Rambler versions.. best I've witnessed.
By all accounts, there are good reasons he's sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring however.
Bit of a head-case may be putting it mildly. Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though, and glad he was able to hold it together and sit in with them as long as he did.
Applies to both of his stints with them now that I think about it.
That's the first i heard, can you explain a little more please, are you saying Mick Taylor is a head case ?? Why would you say that ? Do you have a link to that info.
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Keith as you know thought about the idea of bringing back MT - not sure if he was serious or trying to dodge the whole weaving thing again in the interview.
Gotta give credit to Keith for at least hoping and trying!
"I wanted to see if it would blossom into something else, like a three-guitar band. I realized that was just a hope, an idea.
The Stones are a two-guitar band, and I know that, really. But ‘Midnight Rambler’ over the last year or so (with Taylor guesting) has been amazing.
He’s a lot looser than he was the first time around. He’s got a lot more mileage under the belt and a better sense of humor about it all.”
It would have been INCREDIBLE to see and hear how the band might have blossomed...imagine Taylor on Blue and Lonesome...it would have definitely taken it to a superior level IMO.
And there's the possibility the new album of originals would have been finished a long time ago. Mick and Charlie both have claimed the MT years as a peak and something special - a shame they decided not to revisit that.
The upsetting thing is it's not too late, Taylor is at home waiting for the call, just imagine the inspiration it would have given Jagger if Taylor was in the studio with the boys, and if they included him on this tour but on much more of the show it would be fantastic, it would have inspired all concerned.
Enjoyed MT at several shows when he guested.
Fantastic Rambler versions.. best I've witnessed.
By all accounts, there are good reasons he's sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring however.
Bit of a head-case may be putting it mildly. Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though, and glad he was able to hold it together and sit in with them as long as he did.
Applies to both of his stints with them now that I think about it.
That's the first i heard, can you explain a little more please, are you saying Mick Taylor is a head case ?? Why would you say that ? Do you have a link to that info.
He says "By all accounts"....all accounts? I recall reading something from a member here (and on shidoobee) who supposedly had info. as to why Taylor wasn't invited back, but gave no further details.
Other that that, why has nobody else ever heard or read anything regarding this? Maybe it's based on rumours and innuendo from some disgruntled "insider" who has a problem with Mick Taylor.
And then MisterDD says "Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though"...wait...have the rest of the band ever called him out on anything even just a little bit?
I don't recall any of them calling him out on anything...only praising him...maybe this is also based on rumours and innuendo from the same disgruntled "insider"?
Whatever the case, it's the Stones' loss which in turn becomes a loss for the fans - most fans anyways. They could have crawled out from the current stagnation and continued with a bang.
Instead they're sort of limping along with the same old song and dance with no new music and the same old show. Even without new music, Mick Taylor would have injected a new level of excitement and musicianship to the shows just as he did with the 50 and Counting Tour. I bet Keith regrets that his hope and idea's regarding MT didn't become a reality to see how it could all blossom...
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Keith as you know thought about the idea of bringing back MT - not sure if he was serious or trying to dodge the whole weaving thing again in the interview.
Gotta give credit to Keith for at least hoping and trying!
"I wanted to see if it would blossom into something else, like a three-guitar band. I realized that was just a hope, an idea.
The Stones are a two-guitar band, and I know that, really. But ‘Midnight Rambler’ over the last year or so (with Taylor guesting) has been amazing.
He’s a lot looser than he was the first time around. He’s got a lot more mileage under the belt and a better sense of humor about it all.”
It would have been INCREDIBLE to see and hear how the band might have blossomed...imagine Taylor on Blue and Lonesome...it would have definitely taken it to a superior level IMO.
And there's the possibility the new album of originals would have been finished a long time ago. Mick and Charlie both have claimed the MT years as a peak and something special - a shame they decided not to revisit that.
The upsetting thing is it's not too late, Taylor is at home waiting for the call, just imagine the inspiration it would have given Jagger if Taylor was in the studio with the boys, and if they included him on this tour but on much more of the show it would be fantastic, it would have inspired all concerned.
Enjoyed MT at several shows when he guested.
Fantastic Rambler versions.. best I've witnessed.
By all accounts, there are good reasons he's sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring however.
Bit of a head-case may be putting it mildly. Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though, and glad he was able to hold it together and sit in with them as long as he did.
Applies to both of his stints with them now that I think about it.
That's the first i heard, can you explain a little more please, are you saying Mick Taylor is a head case ?? Why would you say that ? Do you have a link to that info.
He says "By all accounts"....all accounts? I recall reading something from a member here (and on shidoobee) who supposedly had info. as to why Taylor wasn't invited back, but gave no further details.
Other that that, why has nobody else ever heard or read anything regarding this? Maybe it's based on rumours and innuendo from some disgruntled "insider" who has a problem with Mick Taylor.
And then MisterDD says "Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though"...wait...have the rest of the band ever called him out on anything even just a little bit?
I don't recall any of them calling him out on anything...only praising him...maybe this is also based on rumours and innuendo from the same disgruntled "insider"?
Whatever the case, it's the Stones' loss which in turn becomes a loss for the fans - most fans anyways. They could have crawled out from the current stagnation and continued with a bang.
Instead they're sort of limping along with the same old song and dance with no new music and the same old show. Even without new music, Mick Taylor would have injected a new level of excitement and musicianship to the shows just as he did with the 50 and Counting Tour. I bet Keith regrets that his hope and idea's regarding MT didn't become a reality to see how it could all blossom...
Thanks for the info Hairball, i looked online and there is absolutely nothing, no story's to say anything detrimental about Mick Taylor or that he is a headcase. Sounds like people ( so called insiders ) are jealous of him and his gift and are making things up.
I tell you there are things about Ronnie Wood and his behavior that are disgusting and shameful and i could send links but i won't spoil the illusion.
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Keith as you know thought about the idea of bringing back MT - not sure if he was serious or trying to dodge the whole weaving thing again in the interview.
Gotta give credit to Keith for at least hoping and trying!
"I wanted to see if it would blossom into something else, like a three-guitar band. I realized that was just a hope, an idea.
The Stones are a two-guitar band, and I know that, really. But ‘Midnight Rambler’ over the last year or so (with Taylor guesting) has been amazing.
He’s a lot looser than he was the first time around. He’s got a lot more mileage under the belt and a better sense of humor about it all.”
It would have been INCREDIBLE to see and hear how the band might have blossomed...imagine Taylor on Blue and Lonesome...it would have definitely taken it to a superior level IMO.
And there's the possibility the new album of originals would have been finished a long time ago. Mick and Charlie both have claimed the MT years as a peak and something special - a shame they decided not to revisit that.
The upsetting thing is it's not too late, Taylor is at home waiting for the call, just imagine the inspiration it would have given Jagger if Taylor was in the studio with the boys, and if they included him on this tour but on much more of the show it would be fantastic, it would have inspired all concerned.
Enjoyed MT at several shows when he guested.
Fantastic Rambler versions.. best I've witnessed.
By all accounts, there are good reasons he's sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring however.
Bit of a head-case may be putting it mildly. Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though, and glad he was able to hold it together and sit in with them as long as he did.
Applies to both of his stints with them now that I think about it.
That's the first i heard, can you explain a little more please, are you saying Mick Taylor is a head case ?? Why would you say that ? Do you have a link to that info.
He says "By all accounts"....all accounts? I recall reading something from a member here (and on shidoobee) who supposedly had info. as to why Taylor wasn't invited back, but gave no further details.
Other that that, why has nobody else ever heard or read anything regarding this? Maybe it's based on rumours and innuendo from some disgruntled "insider" who has a problem with Mick Taylor.
And then MisterDD says "Good on the rest of the band for not calling him out on it too much though"...wait...have the rest of the band ever called him out on anything even just a little bit?
I don't recall any of them calling him out on anything...only praising him...maybe this is also based on rumours and innuendo from the same disgruntled "insider"?
Whatever the case, it's the Stones' loss which in turn becomes a loss for the fans - most fans anyways. They could have crawled out from the current stagnation and continued with a bang.
Instead they're sort of limping along with the same old song and dance with no new music and the same old show. Even without new music, Mick Taylor would have injected a new level of excitement and musicianship to the shows just as he did with the 50 and Counting Tour. I bet Keith regrets that his hope and idea's regarding MT didn't become a reality to see how it could all blossom...
Thanks for the info Hairball, i looked online and there is absolutely nothing, no story's to say anything detrimental about Mick Taylor or that he is a headcase. Sounds like people ( so called insiders ) are jealous of him and his gift and are making things up.
I tell you there are things about Ronnie Wood and his behavior that are disgusting and shameful and i could send links but i won't spoil the illusion.
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balmy, barmy [chiefly British], bats, batty, bedlam, bonkers, brainsick, bughouse [slang], certifiable, crackbrained, cracked, crackers, crackpot, cranky [dialect], crazed, crazy, cuckoo, daffy, daft, demented, deranged, fruity [slang], gaga, haywire, insane, kooky (also kookie), loco [slang], loony (also looney), loony tunes (or looney tunes), lunatic, mad, maniacal (also maniac), mental, meshuga (or meshugge), moonstruck, non compos mentis, nuts, nutty, psycho, psychotic, scatty [chiefly British], screwy, unbalanced, unsound, wacko (also whacko), wacky (also whacky), wud [chiefly Scottish]
that's what this thread and a few others seems to have devolved into...is there a pattern?...and an element that continues to support this? You bet.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
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They proved it in 1981 with the KC show that 3 guitars could exist and MT laid back and added where he thought best and did not step on Ron Wood. I read somewhere way back when the exile bonus sessions cam out that Keith said If he had is way Mick Taylor would be back alluding to the fact that Mick Jagger would never allow that to happen and give MT another shot to outshine Jagger's performance every night on stage.
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They proved it in 1981 with the KC show that 3 guitars could exist and MT laid back and added where he thought best and did not step on Ron Wood. I read somewhere way back when the exile bonus sessions cam out that Keith said If he had is way Mick Taylor would be back alluding to the fact that Mick Jagger would never allow that to happen and give MT another shot to outshine Jagger's performance every night on stage.
And that's just plain rubbish. No guitar player in the world is able to "outshine" a world-class lead singer, in particular not this lead singer and performer! Maybe in the strange world of a handful of diehards who truly believe that the vast majority of people who buy Stones concert tickets do so solely for seeing Keith Richards, but not in reality. Who's really in danger of being "outshined" by someone like Mick Taylor is the rusty, stiff-sounding, unimaginative standart Stones guitar section.
And if we're really honest, Taylor did not always shine during "50 ...and counting!". It's definitely not the case that he could bring 1969 to 1973's glory back to the Stones live sound with the snap of his fingertips.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
To add -this person ruined Taylor's chances of getting involved with the Stones ever again. Taylor was offered a permanent slot with the Stones after the 2014 tour, but negotiations with this person went so bad that the Stones management (read: Jagger) basically exiled Taylor from anything to do with the Stones, including any involvement with the Exhibitionism event.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
To add -this person ruined Taylor's chances of getting involved with the Stones ever again. Taylor was offered a permanent slot with the Stones after the 2014 tour, but negotiations with this person went so bad that the Stones management (read: Jagger) basically exiled Taylor from anything to do with the Stones, including any involvement with the Exhibitionism event.
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I thought Mick Jagger invited Taylor to the Exhibitionism event but left it so late Taylor had no way of making it in time. You see everything gets lost in the translation here.
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A bit of truth in some of the last comments. I don’t think MT could tour even if asked. He does have issues and has let himself get involved with an unfortunate person. I do not think he even has procession of his own cell phone now, much less his passport.
To add -this person ruined Taylor's chances of getting involved with the Stones ever again. Taylor was offered a permanent slot with the Stones after the 2014 tour, but negotiations with this person went so bad that the Stones management (read: Jagger) basically exiled Taylor from anything to do with the Stones, including any involvement with the Exhibitionism event.
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I thought Mick Jagger invited Taylor to the Exhibitionism event but left it so late Taylor had no way of making it in time. You see everything gets lost in the translation here.
I don't know. But Taylor has made some angry remarks in the press for the Stones not inviting him for the event. And it takes literally 45 minutes to get from Amsterdam to London....
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