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OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: dmay ()
Date: January 20, 2019 17:46

Short read related to PBS (American television network) documentary airing January 21st. First time I ever heard of Jimi Hendrix claiming Native American ancestry. Should be an interesting watch.

[www.yesmagazine.org]

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: angee ()
Date: January 20, 2019 20:09

Wow. Fascinating, thanks, dmay.

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Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: spikenyc ()
Date: January 20, 2019 20:12

Thanks for posting.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: ChrisL ()
Date: January 20, 2019 22:56

I saw this in London last spring at the theater during a Canadian film festival. It’s really good.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: January 20, 2019 23:18

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dmay
Short read related to PBS (American television network) documentary airing January 21st. First time I ever heard of Jimi Hendrix claiming Native American ancestry. Should be an interesting watch.

[www.yesmagazine.org]

Yes, Jimi's birth mother was native american.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: January 21, 2019 01:04

And Jimi Hendrix has a Swedish son, born in 1969, James Sundqvist, who didn't receive one penny from the estate. Even though the paternity was set in court. His mother fought for years. Received nothing.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: January 21, 2019 01:45

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Stoneage
And Jimi Hendrix has a Swedish son, born in 1969, James Sundqvist, who didn't receive one penny from the estate. Even though the paternity was set in court. His mother fought for years. Received nothing.

the whole estate was a mess. fights probably still going on.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: DGA35 ()
Date: January 21, 2019 01:53

Jimi spent some of his teen years living in Vancouver with relatives!

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: January 21, 2019 02:17

Quote
crholmstrom
Quote
dmay
Short read related to PBS (American television network) documentary airing January 21st. First time I ever heard of Jimi Hendrix claiming Native American ancestry. Should be an interesting watch.

[www.yesmagazine.org]

Yes, Jimi's birth mother was native american.

I think it's a bit more diluted than that - some sources say his Grandmother was only 1/4th Cherokee, while others say even that might not be true.

"Jimi Hendrix's grandparents, including his grandmother Nora who was the source of his claims of Native American heritage. She had been a vaudeville performer and it was in this context she likely originally claimed Cherokee heritage, but Jimi appears to have taken the association seriously, as it inspired his lyrics and dress throughout his career". - USC.edu (Source)

“Hendrix grew up in a multicultural setting in Seattle, but his roots were firmly in the African-American community there. The one wrinkle in his understanding of his racial identity came from his grandmother Nora, who claimed to be Cherokee. Amateur genealogists have since cast doubt on the claim, one that was common in African-American families, but Hendrix appeared to have taken it seriously in his understanding of his own racial identity.” - Racial Ambiguity in the Age of the Popular Counterculture: Jimi Hendrix ( Source)

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Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: Javadave ()
Date: January 21, 2019 03:19

Link Wray
Jesse Ed Davis
XIT
Pat & Lolly Vegas
Robbie Robertson
Rita & Priscilla Coolidge (Walela)
Charley Patton

1st Nations Rockers

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: marianna ()
Date: January 21, 2019 03:48

The middle-aged white writer of that article has a problem with Jimi's half step-sister appearing in the documentary, since she's not from the Native American side of Jimi's family. If he did have a Native American side of the family. Isn't it enough that someone went through the trouble and expense of making the documentary to highlight these people?

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: runaway ()
Date: January 21, 2019 12:21

Link Wray " Rawhide", March 21, 1959


[youtu.be]

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: tomcasagranda ()
Date: January 21, 2019 12:37

You forgot John Trudell - a great Native American activist, singer, and actor. AKA Graffiti Man was a great album. I say this as a UK guy in Blighty.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: runaway ()
Date: January 21, 2019 12:54

Guitarist Stevie Salas Talks 'Rumble' Film & Rock's Unsung Heroes: Native Americans


Courtesy of Kino Lorber
Stevie Salas in Rumble: The Indians Who Rocked the World.

It has been well-documented in narratives like Ken Burns’ Jazz (2001) and Return to Gorée (2007) that African-Americans were the primary force behind blues and jazz, eventually leading into rock 'n' roll. But the lesser-known story is the musical influence of Native Americans.

The feature documentary Rumble: The Indians Who Rocked the World, in select theaters Wednesday, is hoping to change that. When Stevie Salas was selling out arena tours as Rod Stewart’s guitarist back in the 1980s, even he, an Apache Indian from Oceanside, California, looked around and began to notice that others like him weren’t around. He dug more, and eventually his curiosity about his own people’s story led to discoveries of other Native American musicians like Charley Patton, Mildred Bailey, Link Wray, Jimi Hendrix, Jesse Ed Davis, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Robbie Robertson and Randy Castillo helped shape the soundtracks of our lives.

“In those violent and frightening times, music was a healing balm,” says Rumble director Catherine Bainbridge, referring to the trauma both African and Native Americans received at the hands of colonizers.

Billboard talked with Salas about Native American legends in music, the struggles they’ve faced, and the current state of the Native American music scene.

What was it like after so many years of telling this story to get it to the screen and, ultimately, a bigger audience?

I was super excited to sit in a room with Ronnie Wood from The Rolling Stones and listen to him tell me stories about Jesse Ed Davis with his eyes lit up like a 5-year-old; the excitement in Steven Tyler's eyes matched that. Or when Jeff Beck told me about him and Jimmy Page from Led Zeppelin at 17, jumping around in his bedroom at his mom's house playing air guitar to Link Wray. As a music fan, those moments blew my mind.

As a Native American person, what really hit me was sitting in a room with Cyril Neville from the Neville Brothers or Monk Boudreaux from The Wild Magnolias and seeing the anger and pain about being forced to hide [their heritage]. Boudreaux almost whispered, like he was afraid to let the words out that he was an Indian, and the only time he could dress like one was during Mardi Gras because everyone else just thought they were dressing up. For them, it was their only chance to be who they were as human beings. So [as an Indian], those things just hit hard.

The Native American story is one that is so consistently suppressed in mainstream media. Why do you think that is?

My parents, my grandparents and my great-grandparents didn't want to be Indians. Nobody wanted to be an Indian. It was not a good thing to be. And that’s not to say anything negative on Native people, but for instance, my birth certificate says my mother and my father are white. If you were a Mexican in the 1900s, you could stay and have a piece of land and farm. If you were a Native American, you were getting shipped off, so nobody wanted to be an Indian.

My father grew a braid down his back in his mid-40s. Up to that point, he was just trying to be a good American and fit in. As he got older, he started to really get deeper into who he was and wanted to express it. The reason that history wasn't there was because nobody was talking about it. Taboo from the Black Eyed Peas was raised by Mexican-Americans in East Los Angeles and didn't know he was Shoshone until he went to stay with his grandmother who told him his history. Our families -- due to trauma -- kept that type of information [hidden].

How does the contemporary Native American music seem to compare to the historical aspects highlighted in the film?

There's no comparison. There are some real problems with the Native American music scene today. First of all, I'm an Apache. Right? I'm a musician, OK? I played with black guys like George Clinton and Bootsy Collins and white guys like Rod Stewart and Mick Jagger. When it came to the art, I never put race into the element. When I go back to Indian country and sit down with some young guitar player, I can teach him about things that I've learned from that world. But what I see happening now is that [each culture will] only stick together: Native American gigs for Native American people. Native American people like them already, so they're not broadening their audience and they're not growing. I think it's a problem. They do things like the Juno Award in Canada for Native American music, which is kind of cool, but at the same time, if a Native American wins a Juno for best blues album, I wonder why aren’t they in the blues category with the rest of the blues guitar players?

What the film shows should show everybody is that if these guys could do it, anybody can do it. I've had Native American kids come up to me and say, "Stevie, we want to do what you do, but they wouldn't let us." Well, who are "they"? Because whoever they are, they let me.

I want the film to inspire people to know that anything is possible [and not to be dissuaded by] growing up poor. Adam Beach was brought up on a reservation where they had no running water and had to go to the bathroom in a can, and he's a hugely successful actor. Sure, you're going to [have setbacks]. I was told that John Lennon and others used to call Jesse Ed Davis "Indian Ed," and while they meant it as a term of endearment, it might’ve hurt Jesse to hear that. Sometimes we have to take [it] to break through to educate people, and I wanted the film to inspire in that way.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: January 21, 2019 13:21


Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: January 21, 2019 13:36

Quote
Stoneage
And Jimi Hendrix has a Swedish son, born in 1969, James Sundqvist, who didn't receive one penny from the estate. Even though the paternity was set in court. His mother fought for years. Received nothing.

Neither did any of Brian Jones's children.
And there were at least 5 of them.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Date: January 21, 2019 15:05

Quote
Javadave
Link Wray
Jesse Ed Davis
XIT
Pat & Lolly Vegas
Robbie Robertson
Rita & Priscilla Coolidge (Walela)
Charley Patton

1st Nations Rockers

Muddy Waters
Leadbelly
Gene Clark



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2019-01-21 15:07 by DandelionPowderman.

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: djgab ()
Date: January 21, 2019 15:11

do not forget Buffy_Sainte-Marie

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: January 21, 2019 15:43

English Buffy: [en.wikipedia.org] thumbs up

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: djgab ()
Date: January 22, 2019 13:36

sorry, I did not even realize that I linked the Spanish wiki page winking smiley.

But it made me wonder about Joan Baez, her father was born in Puebla in South Mexico. wiki/Albert_Baez She has surely native blood and Led Zep "covered" Babe I'm gonna leave you. Thus, I could jump back on topic "OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll" winking smiley

Re: OT: How Native Culture Helped Shape Rock ’n’ Roll
Posted by: crholmstrom ()
Date: January 22, 2019 14:40

good film. watched it this morning.



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