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dedospegajosos
The seems to be two types of sounds from what I hear on boots and official releases. One is more clean and less powerful especially guitarwise (tokyo 95 for example) and there's the more chorusy and heavy drumming sound like the one you can hear on the haloween 94 show or Chile. What is the reason for this?
Personally I love the second sound as it sounds more raw and heavy, rather than the softer and cleaner sound (that is also on the official releases). Watching audience videos on youtube, I feel like the real sound the audience experienced is more like the raw sound.
What do you think? thank you!!
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Stoneage
All in all the sound on the VL tour was bad. Muffled and sterile. No wonder Der Spiegel accused the band of playing playback. They compared songs from different gigs and found them identical.
To the 1/100 of a second. Even if they were wrong I still think VL had the worst sound of all tours.
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Stoneage
All in all the sound on the VL tour was bad. Muffled and sterile. No wonder Der Spiegel accused the band of playing playback. They compared songs from different gigs and found them identical.
To the 1/100 of a second. Even if they were wrong I still think VL had the worst sound of all tours.
Der Spiegel found out that the stops on Rock And a Hard Place had an
identical skip on the last one, it had nothing to do with the *bad* sound.
Btw: They sounded great when I saw them in the US in 94.
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Stoneage
I guess you didn't read the whole article. They complained about the sound also. [...]
Did you know about the ancient art form of "weaving" ? How Keith and Ronnie would instinctively weave there guitar parts from rhythm to lead between the 2 of them ? In essence the 2 guitars were 1 as opposed to how Keith worked with Mick Taylor where Mick Taylor played lead and The Riffmaster himself Keef played rhythm ? There is a synergy between there 2 guitars where they synched up and really become 1 , which is pretty cool and you really have to have a deep connection to play together like that .Quote
diverseharmonics
Saw 24 shows on '94 US tour---thought the guitar sound was too low and too evenly mixed ---not enough distinction between lead and rhythym…...bass was sterile, didn't swing, and mixed low...this is the tour where Watts' drum patterns all started to sound the same....as if he uses 4-5 patterns for everything. Jagger sounded great. Still enjoyed the gigs immensely though.
It is true and they have succeeded in this way to create a unique sound, however some recordings are ugly regardless of this.Quote
TheGreekDid you know about the ancient art form of "weaving" ? How Keith and Ronnie would instinctively weave there guitar parts from rhythm to lead between the 2 of them ? In essence the 2 guitars were 1 as opposed to how Keith worked with Mick Taylor where Mick Taylor played lead and The Riffmaster himself Keef played rhythm ? There is a synergy between there 2 guitars where they synched up and really become 1 , which is pretty cool and you really have to have a deep connection to play together like that .Quote
diverseharmonics
Saw 24 shows on '94 US tour---thought the guitar sound was too low and too evenly mixed ---not enough distinction between lead and rhythym…...bass was sterile, didn't swing, and mixed low...this is the tour where Watts' drum patterns all started to sound the same....as if he uses 4-5 patterns for everything. Jagger sounded great. Still enjoyed the gigs immensely though.
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diverseharmonics
Saw 24 shows on '94 US tour---thought the guitar sound was too low and too evenly mixed ---not enough distinction between lead and rhythym…...bass was sterile, didn't swing, and mixed low...this is the tour where Watts' drum patterns all started to sound the same....as if he uses 4-5 patterns for everything. Jagger sounded great. Still enjoyed the gigs immensely though.
I'm referring to the mix, not the playingQuote
TheGreekDid you know about the ancient art form of "weaving" ? How Keith and Ronnie would instinctively weave there guitar parts from rhythm to lead between the 2 of them ? In essence the 2 guitars were 1 as opposed to how Keith worked with Mick Taylor where Mick Taylor played lead and The Riffmaster himself Keef played rhythm ? There is a synergy between there 2 guitars where they synched up and really become 1 , which is pretty cool and you really have to have a deep connection to play together like that .Quote
diverseharmonics
Saw 24 shows on '94 US tour---thought the guitar sound was too low and too evenly mixed ---not enough distinction between lead and rhythym…...bass was sterile, didn't swing, and mixed low...this is the tour where Watts' drum patterns all started to sound the same....as if he uses 4-5 patterns for everything. Jagger sounded great. Still enjoyed the gigs immensely though.
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Spud
To widen the subject a little.
You could be forgiven for thinking that the folks responsible for mixing and mastering all the various live and "vaults " releases are deliberately mixing the guitars down because they don't realise that they're supposed to sound ragged and a bit messy.
It's as though the mixing is being done by folks who have missed the whole point of the Rolling Stones
[[b]The guitars were always ferociously loud and dominant when you were at the show[/b] ]