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I don't think he changed to standard for the live versions.





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Nt sure I understand your post. That is standard tuning he is playing in. They take it to Bm on live stage. On IORR it is in Cm. I just meant earlier that although it is in standard Jagger;'s voicings are so rudimentary he may as well be in open.

They also recorded it in Bminor, but they did speed it up to Cm in the mastering phase. The riff is in standard tuning.

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I don't think he changed to standard for the live versions.





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Nt sure I understand your post. That is standard tuning he is playing in. They take it to Bm on live stage. On IORR it is in Cm. I just meant earlier that although it is in standard Jagger;'s voicings are so rudimentary he may as well be in open.

They also recorded it in Bminor, but they did speed it up to Cm in the mastering phase. The riff is in standard tuning.

Mathijs

Very interesting. That makes lot of sense. Now that I think of Jagger's vocals, they sound slightly sped up.
But wait - do you think they sped it up AFTER recorded vocals, or before?

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I don't think he changed to standard for the live versions.





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Nt sure I understand your post. That is standard tuning he is playing in. They take it to Bm on live stage. On IORR it is in Cm. I just meant earlier that although it is in standard Jagger;'s voicings are so rudimentary he may as well be in open.

They also recorded it in Bminor, but they did speed it up to Cm in the mastering phase. The riff is in standard tuning.

Mathijs

Very interesting. That makes lot of sense. Now that I think of Jagger's vocals, they sound slightly sped up.
But wait - do you think they sped it up AFTER recorded vocals, or before?

The sped up after the recorded vocals. The original is available on bootlegs. The give away is Taylor's bass line, which is centered around the open A string.

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I don't think he changed to standard for the live versions.





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Nt sure I understand your post. That is standard tuning he is playing in. They take it to Bm on live stage. On IORR it is in Cm. I just meant earlier that although it is in standard Jagger;'s voicings are so rudimentary he may as well be in open.

They also recorded it in Bminor, but they did speed it up to Cm in the mastering phase. The riff is in standard tuning.

Mathijs

Very interesting. That makes lot of sense. Now that I think of Jagger's vocals, they sound slightly sped up.
But wait - do you think they sped it up AFTER recorded vocals, or before?

The sped up after the recorded vocals. The original is available on bootlegs. The give away is Taylor's bass line, which is centered around the open A string.

Mathijs

Damnit! I have always thought there is something slightly non-natural with Jagger's vocals. Now I know the reason why. Thanks!

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They also recorded it in Bminor, but they did speed it up to Cm in the mastering phase.

Mathijs

Funny that when, during the DW sessions, Lillywhite wanted to speed-up a certain track, Keef blew a fuse and showed him the blade...

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I don't think he changed to standard for the live versions.





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Nt sure I understand your post. That is standard tuning he is playing in. They take it to Bm on live stage. On IORR it is in Cm. I just meant earlier that although it is in standard Jagger;'s voicings are so rudimentary he may as well be in open.

They also recorded it in Bminor, but they did speed it up to Cm in the mastering phase. The riff is in standard tuning.

Mathijs

Very interesting. That makes lot of sense. Now that I think of Jagger's vocals, they sound slightly sped up.
But wait - do you think they sped it up AFTER recorded vocals, or before?

The sped up after the recorded vocals. The original is available on bootlegs. The give away is Taylor's bass line, which is centered around the open A string.

Mathijs

Damnit! I have always thought there is something slightly non-natural with Jagger's vocals. Now I know the reason why. Thanks!

- Doxa

same here; always thought that too; but in a good way. A Beatle-y sound. like on "crossing water..a", or the way his voice dropkicks on "you better wa-atch out on your telelphone". I always attributed it to him doubling his vocal.

Post-1967 albums without open G lead songs!

BEGGARS BANQUET
LET IT BLEED
EMOTIONAL RESCUE

Come on, Dande - what else?

The talk in the new Stones album thread (LOL!) gave me an idea:

a compilation of open G songs (ie the main guitar ala Brown Sugar/Start Me Up/Love Is Strong etc) - it's certainly a decent amount but I'm going to guess it's not even 25% of their discography.

I'll work on one and get back to it when I figure it all out but for now... that thread has a decent list... so copy and paste, let's riff it up (sorry).

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Post-1967 albums without open G lead songs!

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Come on, Dande - what else?

That's all

Winter- Keith's guitar is on open G at the 2nd fret.

Highwire- Great tab on youtube



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Winter- Keith's guitar is on open G at the 2nd fret.

Highwire- Great tab on youtube

Where do you hear Keith? Mick Jagger starts the song in standard tuning, playing a regular suspended chord.

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Winter- Keith's guitar is on open G at the 2nd fret.

Highwire- Great tab on youtube

There's no Keith on Winter, it's Jagger in standard tuning.

Mathijs

Mathjis- Thx for your comment,and you are correct it is MJ on rhythm.
However, I play the rhythm on a 1972 Fender telecaster in open G and it sounds EXACTLY like the record.
I also know the entire solo note for note. Please advise as to the chords
you use in standard tuning.I will give it a shot.

Try the intro in open G at the second fret. You know the two chords well I am certain.

There are many songs you can play in different tunings and get to sound similar. Keith has done that himself. YCAGWYW, for instance, is in open E on Let It Bleed, in standard tuning on Rock'n'Roll Circus and in open G ever since.

On Winter, however, you'll struggle with making the two other chords ring like on GHS in open G tuning. The darker E-chord, for instance.

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There are many songs you can play in different tunings and get to sound similar. Keith has done that himself. YCAGWYW, for instance, is in open E on Let It Bleed, in standard tuning on Rock'n'Roll Circus and in open G ever since.

On Winter, however, you'll struggle with making the two other chords ring like on GHS in open G tuning. The darker E-chord, for instance.

Question please (multi-part)

I am not a musician. I like the way Get Yer YYO ... was played - what key is that in ?

When did Open G start? who started it and why? Is it not too twangy sounding?

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There are many songs you can play in different tunings and get to sound similar. Keith has done that himself. YCAGWYW, for instance, is in open E on Let It Bleed, in standard tuning on Rock'n'Roll Circus and in open G ever since.

On Winter, however, you'll struggle with making the two other chords ring like on GHS in open G tuning. The darker E-chord, for instance.

Question please (multi-part)

I am not a musician. I like the way Get Yer YYO ... was played - what key is that in ?

When did Open G start? who started it and why? Is it not too twangy sounding?

Open G-songs on Ya Yas:

JJF (Keith)
Love In Vain (Taylor, with bottleneck)
HTW (Keith)
SFM (Keith)

Brian played open G with a bottleneck from the beginning, like the old blues- greats did. Keith learned it, but was later inspired in another way of using it with chords from Taj Mahal, Otis Redding's guitar player (from his live band) and Ry Cooder.

Keith removed the sixth string, though, and experimented with the tuning (as well as with open D and E-tuning) to make his trademark riffs - which resulted in a new sound and a new way of playing with it.

Twangy? Nah, more like a rhythmic explosion, imo



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Is there a definitive Stones sheet music book for guitar?

Why no fondness to to D-Minor? Why only Open G ?

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Why no fondness to to D-Minor? Why only Open G ?

You can play D minor with open G-tuning as well

And, as mentioned above, open E, open D and standard tuning (mostly applied) are also quite popular among our axmen..



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Why no fondness to to D-Minor? Why only Open G ?

You can play D minor with open G-tuning as well

And, as mentioned above, open E, open D and standard tuning (mostly applied) are also quite popular among our axmen..

Ok - this is getting interesting. Let's take Sweet Jane from Lou Reed's Rock-n-Roll Animal - this is a song with a lengthy solo weave by Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner (RIP) - What key is that masterpiece played in? I mean no disrespect but how does the non-musician even note or care about the sublimities? And maybe the chords could be misinterpreted altogether?

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There are many songs you can play in different tunings and get to sound similar. Keith has done that himself. YCAGWYW, for instance, is in open E on Let It Bleed, in standard tuning on Rock'n'Roll Circus and in open G ever since.

On Winter, however, you'll struggle with making the two other chords ring like on GHS in open G tuning. The darker E-chord, for instance.

Question please (multi-part)

I am not a musician. I like the way Get Yer YYO ... was played - what key is that in ?

When did Open G start? who started it and why? Is it not too twangy sounding?

Open G-songs on Ya Yas:

JJF (Keith)
Love In Vain (Taylor, with bottleneck)
HTW (Keith)
SFM (Keith)

Brian played open G with a bottleneck from the beginning, like the old blues- greats did. Keith learned it, but was later inspired in another way of using it with chords from Taj Mahal, Otis Redding's guitar player (from his live band) and Ry Cooder.

Keith removed the sixth string, though, and experimented with the tuning (as well as with open D and E-tuning) to make his trademark riffs - which resulted in a new sound and a new way of playing with it.

Twangy? Nah, more like a rhythmic explosion, imo

Chunky and riffy. No twangy.

Keith removed the bottom string in Open G essentially so that he could he could attack rhythm playing with more freedom.

It makes the new bottom string the root note for the first position bar chord .

It also avoids chords losing note definition and getting too muddy when played at volume .

Keith typically favours the Telecaster's lean bite for the same reason...It better retains clarity and note separation.

[That said, the Open G on the LP junior for numbers on Sticky Fingers at the Fonda worked a treat ! ]

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Keith removed the bottom string in Open G essentially so that he could he could attack rhythm playing with more freedom.

It makes the new bottom string the root note for the first position bar chord .

It also avoids chords losing note definition and getting too muddy when played at volume .

Keith typically favours the Telecaster's lean bite for the same reason...It better retains clarity and note separation.

[That said, the Open G on the LP junior for numbers on Sticky Fingers at the Fonda worked a treat ! ]

The ES in Hyde Park 1969 also sounded really good on HTW and JJF.

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Open G-songs on Ya Yas:


Love In Vain (Taylor, with bottleneck)

Is that true? What about the second (non-slide) solo from Taylor? That's in open G? I always thought Love In Vain was Taylor in standard, but he was using the "open G" portion of the middle of the neck, 12th fret, on the bottleneck slide solo. The second non-slide solo always sounded very much like standard to me. If so, that's an eye opener. Are you sure?

(Note: I never tried learning the Taylor solo note for note, just going off my ears)



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Open G-songs on Ya Yas:


Love In Vain (Taylor, with bottleneck)

Is that true? What about the second (non-slide) solo from Taylor? That's in open G? I always thought Love In Vain was Taylor in standard, but he was using the "open G" portion of the middle of the neck, 12th fret, on the bottleneck slide solo. The second non-slide solo always sounded very much like standard to me. If so, that's an eye opener. Are you sure?

(Note: I never tried learning the Taylor solo note for note, just going off my ears)

The second (no slide) solo is on L&G and the 72-tour, not Ya Yas?

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The second (no slide) solo is on L&G and the 72-tour, not Ya Yas?

Ah. If that's true (and I think you're right, I haven't heard Ya Ya's for years but I have no reason to doubt you), then yeah, I'm totally confused. I was thinking of Welcome To New York (my favorite "Love In Vain") but now that I think about it, I am definitely thinking of '72. Good catch. I do love that second '72 solo without the slide, though!

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The second (no slide) solo is on L&G and the 72-tour, not Ya Yas?

Ah. If that's true (and I think you're right, I haven't heard Ya Ya's for years but I have no reason to doubt you), then yeah, I'm totally confused. I was thinking of Welcome To New York (my favorite "Love In Vain") but now that I think about it, I am definitely thinking of '72. Good catch. I do love that second '72 solo without the slide, though!

Those 1972-solos without slide are amazing.