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Chris Fountain
Hairball - couldn't they just play after the Miami date?? - where I'm going (anything weather-wise could happen as well)

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I just saw the Weather Underground Channel update on this hour the Storm has slowed to 6 miles an hour . the winds are the same at ~65 mph.

Not sure what would happen if the Storm keeps slowing down other than more potential flooding , which is the true evil sister of Wind Damage and wreaks havoc. Like folks have been saying Gulf water temps are high. The Storm force doesn't seem to be pulling energy from my area of Florida anymore. Maybe the storm stalls - what then? There seems to be no definitive answer at this point.



I just don't want folks to have to go to other states again and try to find shelter. Memories of Louisiana natives having to stay in Houston did not fare well during the aftermath of Katrina. It was strange if not sad.

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If the date is changed again, it potentially could have an impact on the following show in Jacksonville scheduled for the 19th causing a domino effect. Might be a stretch to think that far ahead but at this point anything is possible.

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I will make the 3 hour journey from Pensacola to New Orleans on Monday. It is almost 41 years to the day - that I first saw the Stones on the Some Girls' tour on July 13, 1978. Of course it won't be the same without Van Halen and the Doobie Brothers - but it will be a great show. I love the Stones and I'm very fortunate to see them for the 27th time this Monday.

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The storm is now quite slow, moving WNW at 4 mph. The storm is not the problem, but all the water it is dumping on it's way, and at half speed, the rain i.e. flooding volum is getting double:

[www.cnn.com]

This is what NOLA.com is saying about it:

The dual threat in New Orleans: How high river, Tropical Storm Barry mix for dire potential

Winds will not be the main threat Barry brings. Instead, the broad, 150-mile-wide storm’s main impacts are expected to come from the massive rainfall totals it could bring across much of the state and the surge it will push into coastal areas.

“Don’t be fooled by what the wind speed is. Focus on that rain threat,” said Tim Oram, a meteorologist acting as decision support services coordinator for Barry at the National Hurricane Center.

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GasLightStreet
Don't let the rain keep you in, BV! Many people just walk in the rain in New Orleans. It's the other kind of wet.

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As a man who was in New Orleans during Ivan and Katrina I would like to say to moaners and chickens - shame on you. This is just a tropical storm that, according to the latest predictions, will not even transform to a hurricane.

You are getting a lagniappe - a hurricane party. Grab your beer and dance on the streets

I assume you don't live in the Lower 9th Ward....

Feel free to head on down there and give me a report about how the "Hurricane Party" is going down in that part of the city....unless you are "chicken" of course.

if "you were there" for Ivan and Katrina you should already know what these tropical storms mean for poor people in places like the Lower 9th Ward...it's no party and it never is....2000 people died in Katrina, thousands more lost EVERYTHING....my God.

Is this current storm the End of the World? Nope...but many people's lives will be ruined during your "Hurricane Party"...

try thinking about them for a minute.

Are you talking about the rain that hasn't happened? New Orleans floods often. There may be some flooding from rain bands... but it's not going to be anything like Katrina, it will just be normal. You're talking about 2 different things that aren't related. Of course there's possibility, Home Depot is sponsoring it. But there's no need to invent hysteria based on something from 2005 that isn't happening for something that hasn't and most likely won't happen.

You forgot the word "yet" at the end of your first sentence.

look...if it turns out NOT to be a storm, that is wonderful news all around.

I HOPE I am wrong and you are right. I hope there is not a drop of rain.

but, since when did caution and respect for nature in the face of evidence of a possible hurricane become a BAD thing (ie. "chicken")?

I'm also saying that making light of ANY storm that will ruin lives is lame..."grab a beer, it's a party!!"

I agree/know it won't be Katrina, but it will mess up a LOT of people's lives....especially the old, the sick and the poor....ie. the most vulnerable.

the French Quarter will be fine and will be a party. Rah, rah...it always is...this is the RICH area....So, sitting there, drinking and call everybody else "chicken" is quite pretentious.

I'm also saying that trying to out-guess nature and assuming the BEST in this situation is simply foolish.

a) There is a Tropical Storm w/ Lots of Rain in the Gulf near NO.

b) the MS River is already WELL above its normal height

c) New Orleans "floods often" (your words)

d) This storm could bring 2 feet of rain


given all of that...if people wish to take the "nothing to worry about" attitude, that's fine w/ me....just don't call those who exercise some caution "chickens" and try not to mock those who live in Flood Zones b/c they are poor by saying it is cause for a party, not concern.

The thing is, New Orleans floods several times a year, yet right now you're going on and on and on about a tropical storm that's barely holding together and making it sound like a national disaster, but when we get regular rain storms that flood the city... it's only now it matters?

There are a lot of could bes. We've seen this kind of thing a lot. I've got a lot of friends in New Orleans and they all have the same view on it - oh well, can't (whatever) or they go do whatever. It's part of living there. In 1998 I woke up to hearing waves under my bed. During Katrina the media was saying there was no way in and no way out, yet people were coming and going because there is a way in and a way out. Magically Kyle Turley showed up with a semi full of drinking water.

There's a lot of media involved hyping the shit out of these things. The joke of Jim Cantore showing up. National news showing a puddle with a guy in boots standing in it while in the background people are going about their lives.

When it's bad it's actually bad... and everyone knows it in New Orleans. Hurricane Isaac was bad. But it all comes with the territory.

Perhaps the question that should be asked, aside from the possibility of the river jumping and then no drinking water all the way up past Baton Rouge and the entire region depending on the river would have to evacuate is why do people still live there with the idea that the levees will work when it's been proven that they don't?

Is that a good mentality? If you live in certain areas, sure, it's no big deal in terms of the immediateness of it, but a majority of what is now New Orleans was built in swamps that should never've been built up. The Lower 9th Ward should not've been built period yet.... Hell, the entire region is river mud that got deposited on a sandbar.

So it goes.

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As a man who was in New Orleans during Ivan and Katrina I would like to say to moaners and chickens - shame on you. This is just a tropical storm that, according to the latest predictions, will not even transform to a hurricane.

You are getting a lagniappe - a hurricane party. Grab your beer and dance on the streets

I assume you don't live in the Lower 9th Ward....

Feel free to head on down there and give me a report about how the "Hurricane Party" is going down in that part of the city....unless you are "chicken" of course.

if "you were there" for Ivan and Katrina you should already know what these tropical storms mean for poor people in places like the Lower 9th Ward...it's no party and it never is....2000 people died in Katrina, thousands more lost EVERYTHING....my God.

Is this current storm the End of the World? Nope...but many people's lives will be ruined during your "Hurricane Party"...

try thinking about them for a minute.

Are you talking about the rain that hasn't happened? New Orleans floods often. There may be some flooding from rain bands... but it's not going to be anything like Katrina, it will just be normal. You're talking about 2 different things that aren't related. Of course there's possibility, Home Depot is sponsoring it. But there's no need to invent hysteria based on something from 2005 that isn't happening for something that hasn't and most likely won't happen.

You forgot the word "yet" at the end of your first sentence.

look...if it turns out NOT to be a storm, that is wonderful news all around.

I HOPE I am wrong and you are right. I hope there is not a drop of rain.

but, since when did caution and respect for nature in the face of evidence of a possible hurricane become a BAD thing (ie. "chicken")?

I'm also saying that making light of ANY storm that will ruin lives is lame..."grab a beer, it's a party!!"

I agree/know it won't be Katrina, but it will mess up a LOT of people's lives....especially the old, the sick and the poor....ie. the most vulnerable.

the French Quarter will be fine and will be a party. Rah, rah...it always is...this is the RICH area....So, sitting there, drinking and call everybody else "chicken" is quite pretentious.

I'm also saying that trying to out-guess nature and assuming the BEST in this situation is simply foolish.

a) There is a Tropical Storm w/ Lots of Rain in the Gulf near NO.

b) the MS River is already WELL above its normal height

c) New Orleans "floods often" (your words)

d) This storm could bring 2 feet of rain


given all of that...if people wish to take the "nothing to worry about" attitude, that's fine w/ me....just don't call those who exercise some caution "chickens" and try not to mock those who live in Flood Zones b/c they are poor by saying it is cause for a party, not concern.

The thing is, New Orleans floods several times a year, yet right now you're going on and on and on about a tropical storm that's barely holding together and making it sound like a national disaster, but when we get regular rain storms that flood the city... it's only now it matters?

There are a lot of could bes. We've seen this kind of thing a lot. I've got a lot of friends in New Orleans and they all have the same view on it - oh well, can't (whatever) or they go do whatever. It's part of living there. In 1998 I woke up to hearing waves under my bed. During Katrina the media was saying there was no way in and no way out, yet people were coming and going because there is a way in and a way out. Magically Kyle Turley showed up with a semi full of drinking water.

There's a lot of media involved hyping the shit out of these things. The joke of Jim Cantore showing up. National news showing a puddle with a guy in boots standing in it while in the background people are going about their lives.

When it's bad it's actually bad... and everyone knows it in New Orleans. Hurricane Isaac was bad. But it all comes with the territory.

Perhaps the question that should be asked, aside from the possibility of the river jumping and then no drinking water all the way up past Baton Rouge and the entire region depending on the river would have to evacuate is why do people still live there with the idea that the levees will work when it's been proven that they don't?

Is that a good mentality? If you live in certain areas, sure, it's no big deal in terms of the immediateness of it, but a majority of what is now New Orleans was built in swamps that should never've been built up. The Lower 9th Ward should not've been built period yet.... Hell, the entire region is river mud that got deposited on a sandbar.

So it goes.

Look, man...all I'm saying is:

a) Mocking people (ie. calling them "chicken") who exercise caution in the face of natural disasters, no matter how "over-hyped" they may be....is lame.

b) Having (or promoting) a "Hurricane Party" and celebrating w/ beer and dancing in the streets while people are having their lives ruined just a few miles away (in YOUR OWN city)...is lame.

I guess I just don't understand the "mocking" element of both of these types of posts/behaviors...not really sure of the point, nor what it tries to prove.

Question: would you take/send your kid on a School Field Trip to New Orleans w/ a Tropical Storm approaching the city? I sure wouldn't....I don't care how "overhyped" the storm is.

so, I'm not sure why I'd act any differently over a Stones concert (esp. if attending w/ my kid).

Whatever....I'm glad the Stones postponed b/c that gives fans the chance to get a full refund for their tickets....it allows fans to make "fair" choices regarding their own safety, money and the importance of the concert.

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The Sicilian
In April 1993 I saw Paul McCartney in New Orleans. It was during Jazz Fest but they booked him at the Superdome. It's possible the Stones could be booked there as well. They occasionally book off site shows of major acts.

It's not possible! The Stones are not playing the Superdome.

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In April 1993 I saw Paul McCartney in New Orleans. It was during Jazz Fest but they booked him at the Superdome. It's possible the Stones could be booked there as well. They occasionally book off site shows of major acts.

It's not possible! The Stones are not playing the Superdome.

I nominate GasLightStreet for quote of the year with this one.

See I told you so! It all worked out in the end.

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In April 1993 I saw Paul McCartney in New Orleans. It was during Jazz Fest but they booked him at the Superdome. It's possible the Stones could be booked there as well. They occasionally book off site shows of major acts.

It's not possible! The Stones are not playing the Superdome.

I nominate GasLightStreet for quote of the year with this one.

See I told you so! It all worked out in the end.

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Do not underestimate either the precautionary principle...

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In April 1993 I saw Paul McCartney in New Orleans. It was during Jazz Fest but they booked him at the Superdome. It's possible the Stones could be booked there as well. They occasionally book off site shows of major acts.

It's not possible! The Stones are not playing the Superdome.

I nominate GasLightStreet for quote of the year with this one.

See I told you so! It all worked out in the end.

HA HA! Bizarre. I was CONVINCED they'd never play there again after losing about $2 million in 1994.

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Do not underestimate either the precautionary principle...

I don't. But when it's blown out of proportion by ignorant mouths that are headline readers, the world needs to be headbutted.

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Hairball
Just heard a few quotes on the news..."it's not about the wind, it's about the rain"....and "heaviest rain still to come"....and "Barry is now a hurricane"....

And with Barry moving across slower, that equates to larger amounts of rain.

Is it all being over-hyped? Are all locals laughing at/mocking Barry's strength and/or those that are being cautious "chickens"?
Whatever the case, evidently the Stones and their management thought enough of it to postpone the show until Monday...

Stay safe everyone, even those hardened locals who think this is all a bunch of overhyped nonsense.

Meanwhile, I'll be staying tuned watching from sunny SoCal waiting for the next big earthquake to wipe the state off the face of the earth...

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Just heard a few quotes on the news..."it's not about the wind, it's about the rain"....and "heaviest rain still to come"....and "Barry is now a hurricane"....

And with Barry moving across slower, that equates to larger amounts of rain.

Is it all being over-hyped? Are all locals laughing at/mocking Barry's strength and/or those that are being cautious "chickens"?
Whatever the case, evidently the Stones and their management thought enough of it to postpone the show until Monday...

Stay safe everyone, even those hardened locals who think this is all a bunch of overhyped nonsense.

Meanwhile, I'll be staying tuned watching from sunny SoCal waiting for the next big earthquake to wipe the state off the face of the earth...

Just read that thousands of homes had lost their electricity.
I was in New Orleans in May and saw all these poles with electricity cables (have seen that in several other US cities).

Why don't they put the cables in the underground like we have done here in Denmark, for example? The you would avoid all these bi-effects.

USA is one of the richest countries in the world measured in GDP. Why can't they modernize their infrastructure being better prepared for these situations?

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SHOW IN NEW ORLEANS MOVED TO MONDAY JUNE 15 !!!