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Key members of Guns 'n Roses and Van Halen no-showed, and they still had big-name acts induct them (Green Day and Velvet Revolver, respectively).Quote
RollingFreak
Its simple: no one wanted to induct Dire Straits if Mark Knopfler wasn't there. I don't know if it was out of embarrassment or to respect his wishes, but probably a combo of both. Which I agree, as a big fan its sort of pointless to be asked to induct them if the one guy responsible for it all isn't there. I don't think it has to do with him not having any friends. They saw no point if Mark wasn't gonna be there.
Everyone BUT Axl was there. And no one really likes Axl. It hinged on Slash and Slash being there provided the legitimacy. And Slash got it because HE inducted Van Halen where only Michael Anthony and Sammy Hagar showed up (which as much as I like them was laughable too because you want Dave and Eddie). Dire Straits was a very specific case and while I understand why it went down the way it did, it was sad because they deserved their moment in the sun and it was an overdue honor for a band that most of the times is overlooked. I fully support Mark but the bottom line is he made a mistake not being there. If he was, it would have been beautiful and he really should have sucked it up and gone. Or done something ELSE for Dire Straits fans to not give the Hall the moment. But showing up and playing one song would have been a great way to close the chapter on that band, which they never really had.Quote
keefriff99Key members of Guns 'n Roses and Van Halen no-showed, and they still had big-name acts induct them (Green Day and Velvet Revolver, respectively).Quote
RollingFreak
Its simple: no one wanted to induct Dire Straits if Mark Knopfler wasn't there. I don't know if it was out of embarrassment or to respect his wishes, but probably a combo of both. Which I agree, as a big fan its sort of pointless to be asked to induct them if the one guy responsible for it all isn't there. I don't think it has to do with him not having any friends. They saw no point if Mark wasn't gonna be there.
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RollingFreak
Its simple: no one wanted to induct Dire Straits if Mark Knopfler wasn't there. I don't know if it was out of embarrassment or to respect his wishes, but probably a combo of both. Which I agree, as a big fan its sort of pointless to be asked to induct them if the one guy responsible for it all isn't there. I don't think it has to do with him not having any friends. They saw no point if Mark wasn't gonna be there.
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If there is ONE band that should have flew in it's The J Geils Band
That's the Beatles. You know that's completely different.Quote
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RollingFreak
Its simple: no one wanted to induct Dire Straits if Mark Knopfler wasn't there. I don't know if it was out of embarrassment or to respect his wishes, but probably a combo of both. Which I agree, as a big fan its sort of pointless to be asked to induct them if the one guy responsible for it all isn't there. I don't think it has to do with him not having any friends. They saw no point if Mark wasn't gonna be there.
Right. Just like when McCartney skipped The Beatles' induction and no one would induct them if only George and Ringo showed up.
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marianna
They should have an Old Timers Committee like the Baseball HOF so that overlooked acts get a second chance, voted on by their peers. As it is, from what I've read, if you don't get in after a few time on the ballot, you are dropped from contention. Or maybe you can get back on the ballot, but it's not a certainty. I have no idea who composes the voting body. Is it all writers, or musicians, too?
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RollingFreak
As for the fan vote, if you truly think it has any impact well... then the Hall did their job. They've swindled you into thinking you matter at all. The fan vote means absolutely nothing. 1 vote for each band means nothing when there's thousands of voters. As if Def Leppard needed ONE more vote to get in and it was the fan vote to break the tie?! Are you serious? Come on now. I know a LOT of people are stupid (myself included) but don't fall for that. Thats like Ticketmaster saying they are "helping fans". They are never "helping fans", the same way the Hall of Fame doesn't care about fans. Its a sham and its sad that anyone would believe they have a voice. But thats exactly what the fan vote is designed to do. I'm sorry, its designed to make stupid people think they have a voice. It does not in any way affect the voters (the voters have changed thats why new people get nominated and inducted like Rush and KISS) and it in no way helps the bands get in. I'm sorry, there's no two ways about it.
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RollingFreak
That's the Beatles. You know that's completely different.
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RollingFreak
That's the Beatles. You know that's completely different.
Of course I know it's different. Knopfler might be a respected guitarist, but he's not a well-liked guy in his industry. If he was, someone would have been happy to induct him even if it was an oddball choice with no apparent influence from the inductee (as several have been in recent years). I don't know the politics around the induction as far as the Hall is concerned, but I don't think no one would induct the band out of respect for Knopfler's disdain for the Hall, Wenner, and show biz in general. I honestly don't know why they let them in. If it was someone with pull ensuring they were recognized, you would think they would turn up and do the honors for them. That's why I speculated they were the exception that proves the rule that fan votes are pointless. You induct a band who still has a couple songs played on the radio decades after their popularity waned and the guy who "was" the band doesn't show. It doesn't help the Hall. It generates nothing but negative press. It doesn't pay for the Hall to induct people who won't play the game. Bobby Brown will turn up if you induct him and he'll give a soundbite for the press. That's a big part of why we're roped with non-rock inductees.
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lem motlow
I wish a tornado would hit that place and blow it into the middle of Lake Erie.
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I wish a tornado would hit that place and blow it into the middle of Lake Erie.
Well now that's a bit extreme. I'd like to point out that the museum part of the building is quite enjoyable. Anyone who likes rock 'n' roll can easily spend a long afternoon there. And since the actual Hall of Fame (yes, it sucks) is confined to one floor you can skip it altogether like I did.
P.S. - I don't think there's a single HoF-worthy name on that list. Then again, I'd kick out a third of the acts that are already in.
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At least J. Geils Band, X & The Stooges are all in...along with Credence maybe the best 4 American Bands ever.
Exactly, that was my impression when I visited in 2015 and noticed they had a big Rolling Stones display minus a LOT of guitars because they are a working and recording and touring band . It was quite the headscratcher that bands and artists allow there stuff to be showcased without getting a single dime . How is that right in good faith ? Oh , wait because someone might visit the museum and actually buy a CD or a concert ticket ? Pretty lame , same as the museum gift shop -where I did spend money on stuff like posters and guitar picks and mugs and more crap that I can't recall at the moment . What I should do is box that crap up and give to a family member who would actually appreciate it more than I will as I have quite the bad and rancid taste in my mouth and memory from a variety of things . In all fairness I have to point out that there were 2 things in the RRHOF Museum that made me emotional and that was right in the lobby in the first floor by the entrance and that was Muddy Waters Red Fender Telecaster with rosewood board , and Jerry Garcia's custom built Doug Irwin "Rosebud" guitar that Captain Trips used right up to that final show at Solider Field in 1995 .Muddy's guitar made me choke up seeing it in that glass case because I thought of all the music he made that brought so much joy from the Blues and influenced so many bands and artists including the Rolling Stones and countless others .In a lot of ways those 2 guitars made the cost of the entrance fee to the museum worth it .Quote
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lem motlow
I wish a tornado would hit that place and blow it into the middle of Lake Erie.
Well now that's a bit extreme. I'd like to point out that the museum part of the building is quite enjoyable. Anyone who likes rock 'n' roll can easily spend a long afternoon there. And since the actual Hall of Fame (yes, it sucks) is confined to one floor you can skip it altogether like I did.
P.S. - I don't think there's a single HoF-worthy name on that list. Then again, I'd kick out a third of the acts that are already in.
I was gonna say “with Jann Wenners fat ass with it”-
But you are correct,there are millions worth of artifacts in that overhyped Hard Rock Cafe that the musicians “donated”. Musicians give their stage clothes,guitars etc for nothing and the “Hall of Fame”put it on display and make a fortune in ticket sales showing the stuff.
And people wonder why musicians get scammed out of their money.
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James Kirk
The idea that Def Leppard belongs in the Hall of Fame is ridiculous. If they get in Poison, Motley Crue and Winger won’t be far behind.
The R+R Hall of Fame has (or is close to) reached a period where there is literally no acts that deserve the honor. What’s worse is when they start putting in rap acts (should Led Zepplin be in the rap/hip hop HOF?) that have zero reason to be included...The entire concept is a joke and now that joke is magnified as they have nearly no deserving nominees going forward.
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James Kirk
The idea that Def Leppard belongs in the Hall of Fame is ridiculous. If they get in Poison, Motley Crue and Winger won’t be far behind.
The R+R Hall of Fame has (or is close to) reached a period where there is literally no acts that deserve the honor. What’s worse is when they start putting in rap acts (should Led Zepplin be in the rap/hip hop HOF?) that have zero reason to be included...The entire concept is a joke and now that joke is magnified as they have nearly no deserving nominees going forward.
the rock n roll hall of fames criteria is first album was released 25+ years ago and they were influential. are you telling me motley crue and def leppard influenced no one, weren't rock n roll , don't have an album out at least 25+ year sago and on top of that weren't huge for more than a decade?