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Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: July 27, 2018 20:22

I don't believe in a tour announcement until bv makes this thread a sticky

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: July 27, 2018 21:17

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Hairball
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bye bye johnny
MisterDDDD and Hairball, perhaps you missed the sage advice proffered recently - [iorr.org]

Yeah sorry I did see that bye bye johnny, and point taken.

"I think humans should be able to accept different opinions whithout acting like cats fighting for territory".

thumbs up

Agree and apologize as well.
Truce.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: HomerSimpson ()
Date: July 27, 2018 22:26

I just wish someone in-the-know would just put out any and everything and let it sit. I’m personally being selfish here. I want to see these guys again before pancreatic cancer comes to its inevitable conclusion. There are people on this board that know pretty definitely what they are planning.

Are the Stones coming back to the US - Philadelphia area specifically? I’m working with a make-a-wish organization and I’ll use my wish on that for sure!

Can someone provide anything solid? Should I give up and find something else to wish for? The organization I’m working with would let me pick basically any show. I’d rather not use it on U2, GnR or something. I want to see the Stones one last time.

sad smiley

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: babyblue ()
Date: July 28, 2018 10:12

Wait til early next year or so.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: keithsman ()
Date: July 28, 2018 10:52

What i found amusing reading MisterDDD and Hairballs comments is that you are both right. It's just what side of the fence you sit on, i do happen to think it was very cheap to see the Stones this time round, but having said that if you want to get up close and personal it's going to cost more than most would like, but that's the price you pay to see the best live act in the world right now.

I look at it this way, with the Stones we get four men each taking a share of the profits, if it's Madonna or Paul McCartney, it's only one person taking the lions share of the profit, they don't have to share it out other than to hired musicians or dancers.
The Stones and their promoters are going to try to get top money for top tickets and then just crab what they can to sell out the show.
Is it wrong to charge say £600 for a great ticket ? yes and no.
If it means by selling tickets for five or six hundred pounds we still get a chance to see them live, then i'm all for it, would i pay £600 for the best ticket, absolutely not, i'll leave that to someone with more money than sense winking smiley

I also think sometimes we add the total cost of seeing the Stones as a package and blame the Stones lol.
Mick and Keith are not getting a share of our travel, and hotel expenses not to mention time lost at work. But i think we all tend to add up the total cost of seeing the Stones as if it's Micks fault winking smiley

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: July 28, 2018 14:29

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keithsman
What i found amusing reading MisterDDD and Hairballs comments is that you are both right. It's just what side of the fence you sit on, i do happen to think it was very cheap to see the Stones this time round, but having said that if you want to get up close and personal it's going to cost more than most would like, but that's the price you pay to see the best live act in the world right now.

I look at it this way, with the Stones we get four men each taking a share of the profits, if it's Madonna or Paul McCartney, it's only one person taking the lions share of the profit, they don't have to share it out other than to hired musicians or dancers.
The Stones and their promoters are going to try to get top money for top tickets and then just crab what they can to sell out the show.
Is it wrong to charge say £600 for a great ticket ? yes and no.
If it means by selling tickets for five or six hundred pounds we still get a chance to see them live, then i'm all for it, would i pay £600 for the best ticket, absolutely not, i'll leave that to someone with more money than sense winking smiley

I also think sometimes we add the total cost of seeing the Stones as a package and blame the Stones lol.
Mick and Keith are not getting a share of our travel, and hotel expenses not to mention time lost at work. But i think we all tend to add up the total cost of seeing the Stones as if it's Micks fault winking smiley

The press doesn't help by quoting the price of top-flight tickets, or extortionately priced secondary market rip-offs, as if that's what you have to pay to see them at all. I lost count of the people who assumed I'd paid upwards of £300 for a seat this time round because that's what the papers said. I can't afford to be a pit-or-nothing person (can't stand up for two hours or more these days anyway) but if they help to make cheaper seats and lucky dips possible, good luck to them.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: July 28, 2018 18:29

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Green Lady
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keithsman
What i found amusing reading MisterDDD and Hairballs comments is that you are both right. It's just what side of the fence you sit on, i do happen to think it was very cheap to see the Stones this time round, but having said that if you want to get up close and personal it's going to cost more than most would like, but that's the price you pay to see the best live act in the world right now.

I look at it this way, with the Stones we get four men each taking a share of the profits, if it's Madonna or Paul McCartney, it's only one person taking the lions share of the profit, they don't have to share it out other than to hired musicians or dancers.
The Stones and their promoters are going to try to get top money for top tickets and then just crab what they can to sell out the show.
Is it wrong to charge say £600 for a great ticket ? yes and no.
If it means by selling tickets for five or six hundred pounds we still get a chance to see them live, then i'm all for it, would i pay £600 for the best ticket, absolutely not, i'll leave that to someone with more money than sense winking smiley

I also think sometimes we add the total cost of seeing the Stones as a package and blame the Stones lol.
Mick and Keith are not getting a share of our travel, and hotel expenses not to mention time lost at work. But i think we all tend to add up the total cost of seeing the Stones as if it's Micks fault winking smiley

The press doesn't help by quoting the price of top-flight tickets, or extortionately priced secondary market rip-offs, as if that's what you have to pay to see them at all. I lost count of the people who assumed I'd paid upwards of £300 for a seat this time round because that's what the papers said. I can't afford to be a pit-or-nothing person (can't stand up for two hours or more these days anyway) but if they help to make cheaper seats and lucky dips possible, good luck to them.

Agree with all of this keithsman and Green Lady.
When you consider that at most shows there were many, many, tickets available under £100 between LD's, Groupons, GA and some of the nosebleeds. The focus still always lands on the higher priced pit tickets. Not just in the press, but amongst the fans as well. The one show where my LD landed me in GA (on the "rail" which was great), those around me kept talking about the high prices the people in front of us paid.. pointing to the GC and saying.. those people paid £800 pounds etc., which of course wasn't accurate.

The great thing about the price range imo is that nearly everyone can get what they need.. even "up close and personal" in the GC up against the catwalk for what I considered to be a very reasonable price. Would love for them to continue this pricing structure on the next tour.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: July 28, 2018 18:46

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MisterDDDD
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Green Lady
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keithsman
What i found amusing reading MisterDDD and Hairballs comments is that you are both right. It's just what side of the fence you sit on, i do happen to think it was very cheap to see the Stones this time round, but having said that if you want to get up close and personal it's going to cost more than most would like, but that's the price you pay to see the best live act in the world right now.

I look at it this way, with the Stones we get four men each taking a share of the profits, if it's Madonna or Paul McCartney, it's only one person taking the lions share of the profit, they don't have to share it out other than to hired musicians or dancers.
The Stones and their promoters are going to try to get top money for top tickets and then just crab what they can to sell out the show.
Is it wrong to charge say £600 for a great ticket ? yes and no.
If it means by selling tickets for five or six hundred pounds we still get a chance to see them live, then i'm all for it, would i pay £600 for the best ticket, absolutely not, i'll leave that to someone with more money than sense winking smiley

I also think sometimes we add the total cost of seeing the Stones as a package and blame the Stones lol.
Mick and Keith are not getting a share of our travel, and hotel expenses not to mention time lost at work. But i think we all tend to add up the total cost of seeing the Stones as if it's Micks fault winking smiley

The press doesn't help by quoting the price of top-flight tickets, or extortionately priced secondary market rip-offs, as if that's what you have to pay to see them at all. I lost count of the people who assumed I'd paid upwards of £300 for a seat this time round because that's what the papers said. I can't afford to be a pit-or-nothing person (can't stand up for two hours or more these days anyway) but if they help to make cheaper seats and lucky dips possible, good luck to them.

Agree with all of this keithsman and Green Lady.
When you consider that at most shows there were many, many, tickets available under £100 between LD's, Groupons, GA and some of the nosebleeds. The focus still always lands on the higher priced pit tickets. Not just in the press, but amongst the fans as well. The one show where my LD landed me in GA (on the "rail" which was great), those around me kept talking about the high prices the people in front of us paid.. pointing to the GC and saying.. those people paid £800 pounds etc., which of course wasn't accurate.

The great thing about the price range imo is that nearly everyone can get what they need.. even "up close and personal" in the GC up against the catwalk for what I considered to be a very reasonable price. Would love for them to continue this pricing structure on the next tour.

I only paid over £100 for 1 Show on No Filter 2018, the final show in Warsaw and it was Gold Standing, which turned out to be a bit of a rip off as it was little better than GA at some U.K. shows.

I refuse to pay over £150 to see anyone from anywhere on principle. Overall, I’m broadly satisfied with my 9 Lucky Dip outcomes for 2018 and 2 more in 2017. In fact I’ll be lucky dipping every show I see by them from now on. I’m not sure if I’d travel intercontinental to see them again unless I was keen to visit the venue city. But U.K. and Europe is absolutely fine and easy.

Health permitting, I can see them bowing out on a 60th anniversary mini tour in 2022 and there’s no way that won’t include a stop in London, their home city and an easy day trip for me.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: angee ()
Date: July 28, 2018 19:13

MisterDDDD, remind me, which cities had this kind of ticket, "GC up against the catwalk?"
Was that a plain GC or early entry or part of a package? Thanks.

~"Love is Strong"~

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: MisterDDDD ()
Date: July 28, 2018 19:25

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angee
MisterDDDD, remind me, which cities had this kind of ticket, "GC up against the catwalk?"
Was that a plain GC or early entry or part of a package? Thanks.

Just plain Golden Circle, angee. At most all the venues, I believe. Not aware of any package that allowed early entry into the GC, although there could have been as I didn't really look at package options.
Was the first time I'd ever had the opportunity to experience the GC, and am really hoping it won't be my last cool smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-07-28 19:29 by MisterDDDD.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: July 28, 2018 20:46

The fact that the Stones are near the top for highest grossing money making shows this year tells you how much their tickets cost on average. Only playing 15 shows (with only 19 songs), yet they still somehow make enough to make it near the top. You can break it down every way you want, but the fact is overall the tickets on average are very expensive. Congrats to the Stones for being savvy businessmen, and much of the credit probably goes to Mick with his shrewd business skills he learned at the London School of Economics.

If the prices are as high as they were on average for No Filter, and no doubt they will be considering the US is always more expensive, looking forward to more discounts if and when they return - including Lucky Dips, Groupon, Costco, or wherever else they have to resort to dumping the overload of extra unsold tickets - not to mention bargain bin tickets on stubhub which has served me very well in the past. Can't imagine how extremely high the prices will initially be for the first 50 rows or so, but considering *Vegas '16 was as high as $750+ fees (apprx. $800) for all floor and most lower level, and the recent high prices for the No Filter shows (Berlin might have been the absolute highest for PIT at €900 +?), something tells me they'll be asking more than what most people are willing to pay. In the end this will benefit those who wait patiently for all the price drops, Groupon, Costco, etc., but maybe the Stones will have a heart and make it more reasonable to begin with - that way they won't have to scramble and figure out ways to get rid of all the extras. Lucky Dips can be great if you're truly lucky, but why not lower the prices on average to begin with?

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......



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Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: July 28, 2018 21:16

WHA WHA WHA the ticket prices.... WHA WHA WHA the setlist!!! WHA WHA WHA anything and everything


the whining around here by the usual suspects is long past tedious.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: July 28, 2018 21:18

dont like the setlist ?? DONT GO!! DONT KEEP TRACK...
dont like the ticket prices ? DONT BUY THEM!!
dont like the band anymore !!! STOP PAYING ATTENTION AND VISITING THE BAND FAN SITE

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: mrjones ()
Date: July 28, 2018 21:55

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Leonioid
dont like the setlist ?? DONT GO!! DONT KEEP TRACK...
dont like the ticket prices ? DONT BUY THEM!!
dont like the band anymore !!! STOP PAYING ATTENTION AND VISITING THE BAND FAN SITE
Ditto!

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: pt99 ()
Date: July 28, 2018 23:13

Tour announced Nov-Dec my sources confirmed

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Paddy ()
Date: July 29, 2018 07:08

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potus43
Tour announced Nov-Dec my sources confirmed

Announcement for Nov-Dec dates or dates in 2019?

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: MichaelLassen ()
Date: July 29, 2018 07:56

Any info or qualified guess as to what type of tour? Stadiums? And the now typical 14 shows?

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: July 29, 2018 10:14

They'll be coming across the ocean when they come!!!
They'll be coming round the mountain when they come!!!

They will be playin rock and roll, we'll be havin lots of fun, its gonna be a good time when they come

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: pt99 ()
Date: July 29, 2018 23:12

NYC for sure 2019

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: July 30, 2018 00:35

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potus43
NYC for sure 2019

It's been "for sure" for the last 5 years.

Stadium or Arena? My feeling is that North America will get a stadium tour because the finances work out better for them. They also have a ready made stadium stage to use which has had fewer than 30 uses to date.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: July 30, 2018 03:01

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grzegorz67
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potus43
NYC for sure 2019

It's been "for sure" for the last 5 years.

Stadium or Arena? My feeling is that North America will get a stadium tour because the finances work out better for them. They also have a ready made stadium stage to use which has had fewer than 30 uses to date.

I agree regarding the stadiums - some of my fondest Stones memories are of stadium shows (especially the first two times I saw them in L.A. '81), and would look forward to seeing the giant screens. Not as intimate as an indoor arena, theater, or club no doubt, but with the massive stage designs,the millions of people, and the fireworks,etc., it's an experience like not many others as long as you don't have nosebleeds (which I suffered through once back in '89).

That said, there have been talks with MSG dating back a year according to inside sources, and bv also briefly mentioned it fairly recently as a possibility if memory serves. Just speculating, but perhaps a five night run at MSG, and then the rest stadiums across the country. Would really like to see them at the L.A. Forum again, or even Staples Center, and MGM in Vegas, but will go to at least one wherever they play and whatever they play. Maybe a new album by then so they can play one or two new songs - might be a stretch to think that, but there's always hope.

As far as setlist, would be appropriate if they went back to the beginning and played this cover:

The Rolling Stones - Money




I can hear Mick now singing adoringly to all the fans ....


I want money (that's what I want)
Yeah (oh yeah, that's what I want)
That's what I want, o yeah (that's what I want)
That's what I want (oh yeah, that's what I want)

Yeah give me money, yeah, yeah, yeah (that's what I want)
Lots of money, yeah, yeah, yeah (oh yeah, that's what I want)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.................

_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: MrMibbs ()
Date: July 31, 2018 14:17

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potus43
Tour announced Nov-Dec my sources confirmed
huh?

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: pt99 ()
Date: August 1, 2018 18:39

Huh? What you asking MissMibbs?

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: August 1, 2018 19:35

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Hairball
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.................

eye rolling smiley

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: August 1, 2018 20:31

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Leonioid
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Hairball
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.................

eye rolling smiley

Realistically, of course he is right. I'd be astonished if he wasn't. It was the same here in the UK. But sky high prices create great opportunities for Lucky Dippers because there's no way they'll sell out big venues at those prices. Buy LDs for several shows and you'll get lucky somewhere. I did and will happily do again, even though it took me 6 attempts to land a Pit. Up to that point I got 3 GAs (2 front row, 1 2nd front), 1 GC and an OK seat in a small venue (Southampton).



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-08-01 20:35 by grzegorz67.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: August 1, 2018 23:59

Reading poor people weep about rich people like The Rolling Stones making money is lame. The Stones charge market value for tickets, if they charged less then the people now paying high prices for tickets would be paying that same money to scalpers who would scoop up all of the cheap tickets... cheating The Stones out of their money.

Not to mention... anyone can get in to any Stones show for 50 bucks... A BARGAIN!!
yet the incessant whining from the usual suspects here about ticket prices (AND EVERYTHING ELSE) is never ending


There is more to say... but why waste the words?

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: slewan ()
Date: August 2, 2018 00:03

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Leonioid
Reading poor people weep about rich people like The Rolling Stones making money is lame. The Stones charge market value for tickets, if they charged less then the people now paying high prices for tickets would be paying that same money to scalpers who would scoop up all of the cheap tickets... cheating The Stones out of their money.

Not to mention... anyone can get in to any Stones show for 50 bucks... A BARGAIN!!
yet the incessant whining from the usual suspects here about ticket prices (AND EVERYTHING ELSE) is never ending


There is more to say... but why waste the words?

'cause waisting words is cheaper than wasting money!

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: August 2, 2018 00:35

If anyone thinks money spent on the Stones is wasting it... then I ask again... why keep posting to a Stones fan site?

The high percentage of unhappy people constantly complaining here is a head scratchier for me.


But then again...
I was watching Jim Jefferies weekly CC TV show last night and although I did not get it all he said something about the reason many people who go online mainly to whine cry bitch and complain (never offering a good or positive comment about anything) is because it (somehow) releases dopamine in to their brains as they type the nasty words... giving them some kind of pleasure. Now that does not make sense to me.... but Jim said it... and I think he was quoting some study... or something... but at least it (maybe) explains (a bit) why the whiners whine so much and so often.


With that said .... That Jim Jefferies guy is fkg HILARIOUS! I have been a fan of that Aussie for a long time. I didn't care for his agenda (propaganda) driven TV show (I guess it was OK... it gave me that clue about why online whiners why)... but his current Netflix comedy special was much better, it gave me some laughs.

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: August 2, 2018 00:54

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grzegorz67

Realistically, of course he is right. I'd be astonished if he wasn't. It was the same here in the UK. But sky high prices create great opportunities for Lucky Dippers because there's no way they'll sell out big venues at those prices. Buy LDs for several shows and you'll get lucky somewhere. I did and will happily do again, even though it took me 6 attempts to land a Pit. Up to that point I got 3 GAs (2 front row, 1 2nd front), 1 GC and an OK seat in a small venue (Southampton).

Yes, and that is the proper way to work the system for those who aren't willing to pay an arm and a leg - go either for the Lucky Dips, wait for discounts on Groupon, and if you're really patient wait until the before or the day of show and buy via stubhub where the scalpers are literally dumping their inventory well below face value. Not sure if that happened at any No Filter shows, but it worked for me at the *Vegas '16 show where I picked up floor seats at 1/4 face value.

That said, I don't recall there ever being as many Lucky Dips in the US as there were at the recent No Filter shows where they kept adding more to the pot when sales weren't going as they had hoped. Whereas here there are limited batches and once they were gone they were gone pretty much instantly - *Vegas '16 comes to mind. But that didn't stop them from dropping prices drastically in various sections - not only for *Vegas '16, but also the 50 and Counting tour. Can't recall if it happened for the Zip Code as I was only going to one show anyways and didn't keep track, but I'm sure they utilized the flex pricing strategy for that as well. We'll see how it all pans out if and when they return, and hopefully they don't push it too far, but if Berlin pit tix were officially going for close to $1000 or more, then expect it will be even higher than that.
And maybe/hopefully they'll play Some Girls..."Give me all your money, give me all your gold"....

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: Tour Announcement?
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: August 2, 2018 00:58

Hmm, this is an interesting take on complaining/whining online. I can believe it. Thanks for posting this tidbit about humanity.

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