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DandelionPowderman
Mick sings better today than his grunting and shouting on Brussels Affair.
Wow, post of the year!
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DandelionPowderman
Mick sings better today than his grunting and shouting on Brussels Affair.
Stones fan litany.
Wow, post of the year!
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powerage78
Nothing new. Same old song.
It's always better now than before Tours...
Mick voice, Keith and Ronnie playing...
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DandelionPowderman
Mick sings better today than his grunting and shouting on Brussels Affair.
Stones fan litany.
Wow, post of the year!
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Hairball
Might depend on what one considers "better" singing.
It seems Mick sings closer to the studio recordings now than he has in the past, but is that a really always positive?
In some cases I suppose so, but in other cases not so sure - some of those older live versions with snarling and even barking vocals take the songs to a different place.
Not saying they're all around better versions than the studio versions because of it, but there's something to be said about not replicating the studio versions.
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Hairball
Might depend on what one considers "better" singing.
It seems Mick sings closer to the studio recordings now than he has in the past, but is that a really always positive?
In some cases I suppose so, but in other cases not so sure - some of those older live versions with snarling and even barking vocals take the songs to a different place.
Not saying they're all around better versions than the studio versions because of it, but there's something to be said about not replicating the studio versions.
Seems like Mick has been singing this way since about 1981. We got glimpses of it during certain shows during the licks tour. Other than that it's a thing of the past.
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Hairball
Might depend on what one considers "better" singing.
It seems Mick sings closer to the studio recordings now than he has in the past, but is that a really always positive?
In some cases I suppose so, but in other cases not so sure - some of those older live versions with snarling and even barking vocals take the songs to a different place.
Not saying they're all around better versions than the studio versions because of it, but there's something to be said about not replicating the studio versions.
Seems like Mick has been singing this way since about 1981. We got glimpses of it during certain shows during the licks tour. Other than that it's a thing of the past.
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powerage78
Nothing new. Same old song.
It's always better now than before Tours...
Mick voice, Keith and Ronnie playing...
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DandelionPowderman
Mick sings better today than his grunting and shouting on Brussels Affair.
Stones fan litany.
Wow, post of the year!
You go put on SFM from this tour. Then put on SFM from Brussels. If the latter features better singing and a proper vocal technique for you, please give me some of the stuff you're smoking
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Stoneage
I don't know whether he sings better. Maybe from a pure technical point of view. In the seventies he used to shout a lot. Seemed to be a fashion then... What I mean is the fact that something
happened to his voice in the late 90s. It became more fragile and nasal. And broke up more easily. I guess it's since then he works with a voice coach. A horrible voice coach though.
I listened to Commander doing scales on one of the DVD:s on "Four Flicks". Just horrible. My conclusion: Due to the fact that his voice is very weak these days he has to be very professional on
how he puts his voice into use. More careful. He has to use certain skills in order to sustain his voice. That's it? We're all satisfied now?
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Stoneage
Another aspect is whether one can talk about singing when it comes to rock and roll. Sure, Elvis could sing. An many others. But to call Dylan's nasal sounds singing is stretching it.
Or Lou Reed's talking. Or Robbie Robertson's hissing sounds? Singing is overrated, maybe?
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powerage78
Nothing new. Same old song.
It's always better now than before Tours...
Mick voice, Keith and Ronnie playing...
Stones fan litany.Quote
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DandelionPowderman
Mick sings better today than his grunting and shouting on Brussels Affair.
Stones fan litany.
Wow, post of the year!
You go put on SFM from this tour. Then put on SFM from Brussels. If the latter features better singing and a proper vocal technique for you, please give me some of the stuff you're smoking
You diminish our chat to SFM. On Brussels, SFM, together with JJF it's the last two songs, out of breath and played fast, but still very powerful. Brussels is more than that, MR.D, Heartbreaker, Angie, Gimme Shelter, HTW, etc sung very powerful and dynamic, in tune, not always of course, Mick is not in the studio: there he's a techhical singer, at least in his chosen field. Nowadays the power has gone. SFM 2018? The first song in London Jagger sings sfm like he is reading a book, no power, often out of tune, too safe. And that's only logic when you're 75 years old. Pavarotti would have had the same issues if he was still alive. Your a great Stones fan i.e captain though: Never leave a sinking ship. That suits you One more thing: The subject is not really important, to each his own, and... I don't smoke.
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Stoneage
I don't know whether he sings better. Maybe from a pure technical point of view. In the seventies he used to shout a lot. Seemed to be a fashion then... What I mean is the fact that something
happened to his voice in the late 90s. It became more fragile and nasal. And broke up more easily. I guess it's since then he works with a voice coach. A horrible voice coach though.
I listened to Commander doing scales on one of the DVD:s on "Four Flicks". Just horrible. My conclusion: Due to the fact that his voice is very weak these days he has to be very professional on
how he puts his voice into use. More careful. He has to use certain skills in order to sustain his voice. That's it? We're all satisfied now?
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DandelionPowderman
Shouted very powerful and dynamic, would be more correct. Angie is excellent. There he really sings.
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Dandy
Which fact?
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Dandy
Which fact?
It isn't science we're talking about here. Am I the only one noticing that Sir Michael's voice turned a lot deeper and more nasal in the late 90s? It's even recognizable when he talks.
He sounds a bit cold. At least to me. Do you not hear anything of that, Dandy? Haven't you noticed that his voice has changed a lot through the years? You're a musician Dandy, I'm not.
But I have ears. This comedian catches Jagger's voice modulation very well. Of course he exaggerates a bit...
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Shouted very powerful and dynamic, would be more correct. Angie is excellent. There he really sings.
What about Janis Joplin then, you more or less trash her singing abilities, if we compare her to Jagger? You cannot sing and pull off great show, running up and down the stage. Classical singes stand still, for a good reason. Hence Jagger's best singing is on studio records.
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Shouted very powerful and dynamic, would be more correct. Angie is excellent. There he really sings.
What about Janis Joplin then, you more or less trash her singing abilities, if we compare her to Jagger? You cannot sing and pull off great show, running up and down the stage. Classical singes stand still, for a good reason. Hence Jagger's best singing is on studio records.
You can't compare a unique, natural husky-voiced singer like Janis with Mick's stage antiques, IMO. Janis carried the tune and always sang in key
Mick sort of extended his stage persona and released tension and energy. Brilliant and cool, but not good singing. Rewind four years and you'll hear better singing from him, IMO.
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TheflyingDutchman
Nowadays the power has gone. SFM 2018? The first song in London Jagger sings sfm like he is reading a book, no power, often out of tune, too safe.
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TheflyingDutchman
Nowadays the power has gone. SFM 2018? The first song in London Jagger sings sfm like he is reading a book, no power, often out of tune, too safe.
Were u there dutchman? I was, in the upper deck about as far away from the stage as you could get at the opposite end of the stadium. The band just rocked, out of the gate, not just Mick. That show was better than Dublin and London 2 where I was on the rail in Pit B for both of those shows. And it started with SFM. No wonder the majority of the rest of the shows started with SFM.
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TheflyingDutchman
Igot quite a good impression on what I heard over the years, 45 years that is.