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JumpingKentFlash
The Stones has nothing to do with it. It was Klein. Ashcroft should have made sure he had his legal shit together. It’s more or less his own fault.
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potus43
If the Stones were involved at all they are a worse disgrace than I thought when it comes to greed
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Palace Revolution 2000
Since it seems that the relationship between the Stones camp and Ashcroft is intact, it could be that behind closed doors the Stones themselves made matters right with Ashcroft. That is the one thing that had bothered me in the whole mess: that the Stones really didn't need that money, and that hit; and it could make a world of difference for much smaller artists. Who also are big fans.
And to be honest: was there anyone in this world who heard "Bittersweet", and went "Hey wait just one minute! That's 'The Last Time' by the Stones, God damnit!" Not until it became a legal matter did anyone even take notice.
Georgie48 says it was Klein or ABCKO though. The suits.
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retired_dog
Ridiculous. However, this version clearly shows that the Oldham Orchestra sample made the tune a hit. Without it, there's not much left, in particular not enough that's worth stretching it to 9 minutes +.
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matxil
I agree mostly with you, but one thing I don't understand: why do you say Brian Jones made it a hit? I thought the main riff was done by Keith?
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matxil
I agree mostly with you, but one thing I don't understand: why do you say Brian Jones made it a hit? I thought the main riff was done by Keith?
No, Brian came up with the riff.
Keith told us in a 1965 issue of Beat Instrumental.
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matxil
I agree mostly with you, but one thing I don't understand: why do you say Brian Jones made it a hit? I thought the main riff was done by Keith?
No, Brian came up with the riff.
Keith told us in a 1965 issue of Beat Instrumental.
Wow, yeah, I just checked a few of their early performances and saw that indeed, Brian is playing the riff. I never knew that. That riff makes the whole song.
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Palace Revolution 2000
Brian plays it, but I don't recall reading that he wrote the riff.
LOL I simply knew you were going to have a n answer to that one. One thing I love about the old TV clips is you can figure parts out. I saw Keith play the "Last Time" solo , and it was like "Oh!Quote
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Palace Revolution 2000
Brian plays it, but I don't recall reading that he wrote the riff.
August 1965 issue of Beat Instrumental:
Who Plays Lead Figure
Keith answered the question which has been asked by many people before now. Who plays the prominent guitar figure on The Stones releases, Brian or Keith?
''I played it on Satisfaction he says, Brian played it on The Last Time. It all depends on who thinks it up.''
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His Majesty
What ever the whatevs, a 50/50 split might have been more fair although even that is being overly generous to ABKCO.
At the very least Ashcroft did write the great lyrics which absolitely caught the imagination of the moment in UK. The melody he sings is in no way a note for note iteration of either the stones or the ALOO Last Time. It is mostly different rather than similar.
This is just another instance of big business @#$%& over the common man.
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jlowe
Presumably Ashcroft could have appealed the verdict?
He is hardly the 'common man' without the financial resources to challenge a (somewhat dubiuos) verdict.
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jlowe
Presumably Ashcroft could have appealed the verdict?
He is hardly the 'common man' without the financial resources to challenge a (somewhat dubiuos) verdict.
Who knows?
In context he and they most certainly were. They were just lads from Wigan with up to that time indie levels of success. Little in the way of power and money when compared to ABKCO.
Even a wold famous and successful stones suffered heavily in battle with that lot.
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ovalvox
After reading all of this there is only one solution to this problem. The only thing that stands out out of all of the versions of this public domain song is this. Brian Jones' guitar part that he wrote as verified by Keith Richards and Bill Wyman. He should get the song writing credit. Maybe his estate should sue Jagger, Richards, Oldham, Ashcroft and the Klein clan. Let's face it. Take Brian's guitar out of it and there would have been no argument. No hit single. No Oldham symphony of this. No Bittersweet with any of this in there because Oldham would have never used a Brian song in his orchestra. It's a simple solution really. Brian was the only one who transformed this song to make it sound original from the public domain version. Let me make the correction below.
The Last Time
(Brian Jones)
There it's fixed. Can someone pass this along to all of the parties listed above? Thanks!
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ovalvox
After reading all of this there is only one solution to this problem. The only thing that stands out out of all of the versions of this public domain song is this. Brian Jones' guitar part that he wrote as verified by Keith Richards and Bill Wyman. He should get the song writing credit. Maybe his estate should sue Jagger, Richards, Oldham, Ashcroft and the Klein clan. Let's face it. Take Brian's guitar out of it and there would have been no argument. No hit single. No Oldham symphony of this. No Bittersweet with any of this in there because Oldham would have never used a Brian song in his orchestra. It's a simple solution really. Brian was the only one who transformed this song to make it sound original from the public domain version. Let me make the correction below.
The Last Time
(Brian Jones)
There it's fixed. Can someone pass this along to all of the parties listed above? Thanks!
Youre right of course. The Last Time (Jagger/Richards/Jones). Jumpin Jack Flash (Jagger/Richards/Wyman).