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Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 31, 2018 17:20

Of course, Brian was using those open tunings onstage and in the studio already from when the band started. grinning smiley

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Date: May 31, 2018 17:59

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His Majesty
Of course, Brian was using those open tunings onstage and in the studio already from when the band started. grinning smiley

Indeed, but perhaps not for songwriting.. winking smiley

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: May 31, 2018 18:04

Controversial.













... Not really. grinning smiley

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: liddas ()
Date: May 31, 2018 18:54

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Doxa
Another thing to notice in regards to the Open G is that of its 'golden age' co-incidents with Mick Taylor being in the band, and the kind of typical Stones sound was created - or at least mastered - during those years. It's counter-part, especially live, turned out to be Taylor's lead guitar, while Keith providing the riffs and rhythmn (taking care of of the 'bottom'). When Keith says in LIFE that he started write songs especially Taylor in mind that probably meant that he crafted that sort of songs that left enough room - empty spaces - for Taylor to add his finger magic, while Keith just providing the 'riff bottom' and general structure, probably pretty much laid by Open G. And then later, when Taylor was gone, and a new guitarist in the band, and the band still looking forward, probably getting rid of what we now call his signature thing was a part of re-inventing their sound. Probably Ron's presence alone changed the dynamics within the guitarists, which also had an effect on Keith's way of writing. Keith I think has this great habit of his being awere of the social nature of making music, being affected by the people he works with, knowing how to use them best, etc.

Just thinking aloud, as usual....

- Doxa


Don't think that Keith's romance with open G had much to do with having Taylor in the band.

Clearly he knew the trick at least since Rooster, he understood how he could use open tunings during the beggars sessions (no big differences in concept or finger shapes between open D/E and open G) and how to spice them up from Ry Cooder.

There is hardly any space for Taylor's solo abilities in the studio versions of Keith's open g songs. Sister Fanny, If You Can Rock me, Casino Boogie, am I missing something?

Open G was in fact retired after Exile: we have only one open g song on Soup (Silver Train). A little more on IORR, but we may argue that IORR was conceived along a "classic stones" pattern.

On the other hand live, in 1976 with Ronnie on board, I still count 11 open G songs. Clearly you do not touch a winning formula.

What I think is that after Exile Keith simply wanted to explore different territories to refresh his composition inspirations-

He did that before and thereafter.

Certain guitarists spent a career developing their own trademark style (BB King, clapton or taylor for instance).

Keith quite the opposite.

It's as if he occasionally falls in love with a given style, digs it till the well of inspiration is dry, then moves forward to something else.

He's had his early chicago blues phase, then soul, pop arranger, open tunings, funk & reggea, the "weave" ...



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Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Date: May 31, 2018 21:58

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..although the only one who plays open G on LIB is... Taylor grinning smiley )

Well, open tuning, at least smiling smiley

On Country Honk Taylor played his bits on a cheap Selmer lap steel guitar in regular tuning. Useless information but wtf smiling smiley



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Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Date: June 1, 2018 08:45

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DandelionPowderman

..although the only one who plays open G on LIB is... Taylor grinning smiley )

Well, open tuning, at least smiling smiley

On Country Honk Taylor played his bits on a cheap Selmer lap steel guitar in regular tuning. Useless information but wtf smiling smiley

Yeah, I saw that now smiling smiley
"My part on Country Honk wasn't on a regular guitar; it was on one of those cheap little Selmer Hawaiian guitars, which I played on my lap in regular tuning".

- Mick Taylor, 1979

Would that be the first time he plays slide chords with more than two strings in standard tuning smiling smiley



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Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: June 1, 2018 10:10

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DandelionPowderman
Good points, Doxa. And BB and LIB might have been the «discovery and experimental phase» (although the only one who plays open G on LIB is... Taylor grinning smiley )

Well, open tuning, at least smiling smiley

It was the 1969-tour that unleashed «the beast» totally, I'd say.

Isn't Monkey Man in open tuning (the riff, I mean)?

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Date: June 1, 2018 10:56

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matxil
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Good points, Doxa. And BB and LIB might have been the «discovery and experimental phase» (although the only one who plays open G on LIB is... Taylor grinning smiley )

Well, open tuning, at least smiling smiley

It was the 1969-tour that unleashed «the beast» totally, I'd say.

Isn't Monkey Man in open tuning (the riff, I mean)?

Standard tuning. He's using four strings for the riffing. The e-strings are not involved.

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: matxil ()
Date: June 1, 2018 16:22

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DandelionPowderman
Good points, Doxa. And BB and LIB might have been the «discovery and experimental phase» (although the only one who plays open G on LIB is... Taylor grinning smiley )

Well, open tuning, at least smiling smiley

It was the 1969-tour that unleashed «the beast» totally, I'd say.

Isn't Monkey Man in open tuning (the riff, I mean)?

Standard tuning. He's using four strings for the riffing. The e-strings are not involved.

Ah, wow, never figured that out. You're right.
But how about YGAGWYW? I thought that was open tuning too?

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Date: June 1, 2018 16:41

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DandelionPowderman
Good points, Doxa. And BB and LIB might have been the «discovery and experimental phase» (although the only one who plays open G on LIB is... Taylor grinning smiley )

Well, open tuning, at least smiling smiley

It was the 1969-tour that unleashed «the beast» totally, I'd say.

Isn't Monkey Man in open tuning (the riff, I mean)?

Standard tuning. He's using four strings for the riffing. The e-strings are not involved.

Ah, wow, never figured that out. You're right.
But how about YGAGWYW? I thought that was open tuning too?

Open E, with capo on the 8th fret.



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Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: TheGreek ()
Date: June 1, 2018 17:21

just another poll in the sea of polls .

Re: The Guardian ranks the Stones albums
Posted by: LeonidP ()
Date: June 2, 2018 02:30

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Certainly better than Beggars, which for me is no 4 in the Big 4

Yep - me too.

1, Let It Bleed
2. Exile On Main St
3. Sticky Fingers
4, Beggars Banquet

The big 4 are interchangeable. I personally put Exile #1, but all 4 are the epitome of brilliance!

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