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It is refreshing to see TATTOO YOU decidedly away from the top, in marked contrast to the views among so many posters on IORR, which so often have much puzzled me. Only fault, it should have been further down, towards the bottom.
Because so many of us younger fans (in our 40s and 50s) this was our introduction to the Rolling Stones as a still current band, and a vital part of our musical formative years. My cousin had this when I was 8 years and songs like Slave and Heaven somewhat fascinated me. I don't even remember Undercover being out, so next up was Harlem Shuffle all over KLOS.
Early 1980's a lot of record buying peeps only had Hot Rocks and Tattoo You and maybe a mix tape of whatever was taped off the radio.
You manage to present the viewpoint with more emphasis than I have seen before. The reflection makes me wonder if there is an element of generation bias about the popularity of TATTOO YOU. That is, more than it is the case for other Stones albums.
Yep, I have noticed this too. I get the feeling that fans around 60, or older, tend to grade all the early albums (the ones before 1968) way ahead of TY. And TY ends up in the bottom list. It was TY that got me into The Rolling Stones. So I will always grade it high. It's an age thing then. I guess...
Since Mick Taylor is on TY, I somehow doubt that. SG is a popular album, no matter which generation you belong to. TY, however, had an even more nuanced musical feel to it (with the quiet b-side) and many of the guys who got their kicks to Moonlight Mile, Time Waits For No One or Winter might love Worried About You, Tops and Waiting On A Friend for the same reasons.
That said, most of TY is sort of a SG, part III, with its Pathe Marconi-sound and Keith and Ronnie's weaving-style. That's what I fell in love with. And, yes, it was my first Stones-album.
As I grew older, I learned to appreciated side B even more.
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Back Street Girl, Connection, All Sold Out. Miss Amanda Jones, Something Happened To Me Yesterday and She Smiled Sweetly is a "waste of time"? Come on!
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Back Street Girl, Connection, All Sold Out. Miss Amanda Jones, Something Happened To Me Yesterday and She Smiled Sweetly is a "waste of time"? Come on!
Believe me, I tried and I tried and I tried. I can't stand that album. Actually, of that list of songs you mention, most of them never made any impression on me, except for Connection which is fine but full of silly noises (the Keith's solo version is more listenable) and Something Happened To Me Yesterday which for its cringeworthiness should have been on Their Satanic Majesties. It deeply annoys me. And no, I am not necessarily anti-pop of the early 60s, I can listen to Revolver without problem (skipping Yellow Nonsense of course).
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Back Street Girl, Connection, All Sold Out. Miss Amanda Jones, Something Happened To Me Yesterday and She Smiled Sweetly is a "waste of time"? Come on!
Believe me, I tried and I tried and I tried. I can't stand that album. Actually, of that list of songs you mention, most of them never made any impression on me, except for Connection which is fine but full of silly noises (the Keith's solo version is more listenable) and Something Happened To Me Yesterday which for its cringeworthiness should have been on Their Satanic Majesties. It deeply annoys me. And no, I am not necessarily anti-pop of the early 60s, I can listen to Revolver without problem (skipping Yellow Nonsense of course).
Not a big Kinks- or Music Hall-fan either, I presume
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29 years have passed, and I think that SW deserves more praise than we've given it. IMO, it's the album with the best songs and the best playing since Undercover.
The production was top notch in 1989, but dated quickly. I don't know what happened, but I'm starting to find peace with that sound (maybe the 80s are back?) and the overall feel of the album.
Perhaps I could do without one or two of the songs where Mick plays the main rhythm guitar? No, I think they're fine (especially Sad Sad Sad and Hearts For Sale).
IMO, tracks like ME, T, HFS, BBL, AHYS, BTS and SA are very strong songs - really good. That's seven tracks. I don't know if we find seven great tracks on VL, B2B and ABB (there is good stuff on ALL the Stones albums, though).
Bill's bouncing bass also made SW a special album for me.
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(there is good stuff on ALL the Stones albums, though).
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29 years have passed, and I think that SW deserves more praise than we've given it. IMO, it's the album with the best songs and the best playing since Undercover.
The production was top notch in 1989, but dated quickly. I don't know what happened, but I'm starting to find peace with that sound (maybe the 80s are back?) and the overall feel of the album.
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(there is good stuff on ALL the Stones albums, though).
Indeed there is.
Re the 80's sound(s). It gets boring hearing the same thing over and over, listening to them in different production clothes is refreshing for the ears.
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...................................... It could be that at the time it sounded 'Stones-by-numbers' - not really giving any new musical horizons or anything like that unlike any album before it - at least for trained Stones fan ears like Witness had/has. But for those totally fresh ears like mine that sounded brilliant in the context of time - compared to any other artists at the time. .......................
One last point goes for VOODOO LOUNGE - despite of my generally harsh criticism of that album (elitist shit like "Stones For Dummies"), it needs to be noted out that it is their best selling album since TATTOO YOU. They obviously did something right with that album.
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It wasn't meant as a comment on the song writing, just that as a listener and a musician hearing the same sound over and over is boring.
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It wasn't meant as a comment on the song writing, just that as a listener and a musician hearing the same sound over and over is boring.
May I as a non-musician and in some respects a very simple listener ask a possibly very naive question to you or other posters on the threadpage of this quote:
Do[es] the 80's sound(s) apply to every band / group that released music in the 80s? And if will be said that it was, was it intruding equally as much on music from any band from then?
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The «retro Stones» or «Stones by numbers»-terms are often affiliated with the open G-guitar. Was Keith tired of it? Were they afraid of going too retro? Wasn't there more magic to be picked up by Keith's «antenna»?
I just find it interesting that they didn't use that «weapon» more in this period..