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marianna
I think Neil Finn can do a good job of covering Lindsey's vocals, including "Go Your Own Way." It's not the same, but it will be a professional, competent show with Neil and Mike Campbell. It is similar to the Eagles touring with Vince Gill. I wouldn't pay to see either the Eagles or Fleetwood Mac, but casual fans will get a decent show for these lineups.
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Jah Paul
There's lots of speculation among Mac fans of what really went down (possible ultimatums), but there may have been a conversation with promoters regarding what was a more viable proposition - an FM tour without Lindsey, or an FM tour without Stevie. I'm guessing after some careful market analysis (and considering the Eagles' recent touring success without Glenn Frey), I'm sure they're going ahead mostly as planned with a certain degree of confidence.
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Jah Paul
There's lots of speculation among Mac fans of what really went down (possible ultimatums), but there may have been a conversation with promoters regarding what was a more viable proposition - an FM tour without Lindsey, or an FM tour without Stevie. I'm guessing after some careful market analysis (and considering the Eagles' recent touring success without Glenn Frey), I'm sure they're going ahead mostly as planned with a certain degree of confidence.
But why did there have to be choice between Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham? Because Nicks was demanding higher compensation than the other four. Telling them I can go on tour by myself and do much better financially. That I am 70 years old so only have so much touring left in me. Plus she saw how her best friend Tom Petty went down touring.
Lindsay Buckingham said "Equal pay for all or I am out"
And we can now see what the result was. Stevie has residual hatred for Lindsay so she won here, also giving her satisfaction.
All above is my speculation. I have zero inside sources.
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Tate
There's no Go Your Own Way, or live Oh Well, or the Chain for godsake, and all those incredible backing vocals, without LB.
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Jah Paul
There's lots of speculation among Mac fans of what really went down (possible ultimatums), but there may have been a conversation with promoters regarding what was a more viable proposition - an FM tour without Lindsey, or an FM tour without Stevie. I'm guessing after some careful market analysis (and considering the Eagles' recent touring success without Glenn Frey), I'm sure they're going ahead mostly as planned with a certain degree of confidence.
But why did there have to be choice between Stevie Nicks and Lindsay Buckingham? Because Nicks was demanding higher compensation than the other four. Telling them I can go on tour by myself and do much better financially. That I am 70 years old so only have so much touring left in me. Plus she saw how her best friend Tom Petty went down touring.
Lindsay Buckingham said "Equal pay for all or I am out"
And we can now see what the result was. Stevie has residual hatred for Lindsay so she won here, also giving her satisfaction.
All above is my speculation. I have zero inside sources.
Speculation on my part as well, based on conversation over at the FM forum ...one story is Lindsey wanted to do some solo dates on the FM off days, and the band (or someone in particular in the band) objected...plus the residual issues from last year's Buckingham/McVie LP, which was supposed to be an FM album originally, but Stevie extended her solo tour and didn't want to participate...and the album had been delayed before then anyway, etc. etc. etc. No one really knows for sure.
Considering this was supposed to be a farewell tour, pity they couldn't get their act together for one last go around.
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Midnight Toker
Please retire. FM w/o Buckingham is like the Stones w/o Keith.
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Hairball
Consensus amongst fans here seems to be it's a no go - I know I won't be going. Casual fans wont care, and there will probably be ultimate diehards who will see them no matter what (or some who love Stevie, or Christine, etc. and will always pay to see them)
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Hairball
Or maybe they'll hook up with some other '70's classic rock band (that's also missing key members) to help sell tickets - Journey, Kansas, Styx, Boston, Foreigner, etc.
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Midnight Toker
Please retire. FM w/o Buckingham is like the Stones w/o Keith.
Image wise Stones cannot tour without Keith. Music wise they can do so. Ronnie has taken over playing many of Keith's classic parts and classic riffs for years. All Stones would need is to take on board a guitarist like Waddy Wachtel. Or one of the ten thousand other young guns who can play Keith style guitar as competently.
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...was it the whole bands decision to let him go or just the men in the band.
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Tate
I just don't think there are enough casual fans of F.M. these days. Casual fans alone can't be relied upon to buy pricey tickets to any show for any band. You need the enthusiastic true fan base to dig into their pockets for a nostalgic act like this. Yeah, Finn and Campbell are professional. But they are not Lindsey Buckingham, and that will severely diminish interest in an upcoming tour among ticket-buying fans, I think. And I don't think Stevie Nicks is interested in smaller venues and less money. I think she'd rather do a solo tour and haul in a bigger percentage. She has openly stated she tours with F.M. for the money. This just seems very strange to me and I have a hard time seeing it fly.
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I just don't think there are enough casual fans of F.M. these days. Casual fans alone can't be relied upon to buy pricey tickets to any show for any band. You need the enthusiastic true fan base to dig into their pockets for a nostalgic act like this. Yeah, Finn and Campbell are professional. But they are not Lindsey Buckingham, and that will severely diminish interest in an upcoming tour among ticket-buying fans, I think. And I don't think Stevie Nicks is interested in smaller venues and less money. I think she'd rather do a solo tour and haul in a bigger percentage. She has openly stated she tours with F.M. for the money. This just seems very strange to me and I have a hard time seeing it fly.
I think you summed it all up very well.
I wonder if the old bad feelings between Stevie and Lindsey is at the root of these new issues.quote]
That's a very good shout and you certainly can't rule it out. It's caused them plenty of problems in the past, as well as inspire some of their best known songs. If they play songs written or co-written by Lindsey after firing him, it will be outrageously hypocritical. I saw them in Dublin 3 years ago and Lindsey was by far the most dominant individual band member in the performance.
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Healy52003
saw them in 2015 for the first time (going in not knowing many of there songs) and really enjoyed it.
When they announce there tour dates it will still sell well as casual fans might not know that Buckingham is gone etc. Personally prob wont go and see them as Buckingham was my favourite member. Stevie, Christine and John can still do there bit and Mick can do his' dont be shy' drum solo. Dont knw much about Mike Campbell or Neil Finn. I wonder are they going back to the pre stevie days a bit for this tour and do the Peter Green stuff (which was not that bad at all)
Ive heard stories about Buckingham like before concerts hes gets his roadies to go out and give wrist bands to blonde girls and gets them to stand at the front of the stage in his area. Id say that holding hands shit himself and Stevie done was all for show
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I wonder are they going back to the pre stevie days a bit for this tour and do the Peter Green stuff (which was not that bad at all)
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marianna
They still only have that penguin picture on their homepage. Maybe the previous speculation on this thread is right, that the new replacements are a trial balloon. If promoters and fans can't get behind the idea, or at least not for large venues, it might not happen. Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff, who put the band back in stadiums with the East-West shows. The rest of the band has other management. Maybe negotiations will still happen. It's getting late to announce a summer tour
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marianna
They still only have that penguin picture on their homepage. Maybe the previous speculation on this thread is right, that the new replacements are a trial balloon. If promoters and fans can't get behind the idea, or at least not for large venues, it might not happen. Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff, who put the band back in stadiums with the East-West shows. The rest of the band has other management. Maybe negotiations will still happen. It's getting late to announce a summer tour
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marianna
They still only have that penguin picture on their homepage. Maybe the previous speculation on this thread is right, that the new replacements are a trial balloon. If promoters and fans can't get behind the idea, or at least not for large venues, it might not happen. Lindsey is managed by Irving Azoff, who put the band back in stadiums with the East-West shows. The rest of the band has other management. Maybe negotiations will still happen. It's getting late to announce a summer tour
My thoughts are also pure speculation but I think thats totally off. But thats also because I thought the Eagles wouldn't succeed and it did. If they can do it I don't see how FM wouldn't also do well. I get it, the Eagles had Glenn's son and Vince Neil so it was "heartfelt" and a solid replacement with his own fans. They also got bad feedback initially, and then everyone went. Fleetwood Mac with Stevie and Mike Campbell replacing should get more than enough support. Easily playing arenas in all the major markets. A couple years ago I would have maybe said different, but people have accepted way less and this isn't a bad scenario. It might not be enviable, and I'd consider it dumb at this stage, but it would hardly be a "bad" show. I don't see why people wouldn't go just cause its most of Fleetwood Mac.
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marianna
I've been reading a couple of threads on "The Ledge" Mac message board. There are some references there to Lindsey being dropped by Irving, but no one seems to know the timing of that.