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Redhotcarpet
https://dangerousminds.net/comments/who_was_meredith_hunter_the_young_man_stabbed_to_death_at_altamont
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Meredith_Hunter
video: [youtu.be] Short film about MH and his grave.
Edit: read yhe comments on the film.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13855749/meredith-curly-hunter
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The Sicilian
As bad as the Hells Angels were on that night—and they were bad—the Angel who took out Meredith Hunter did exactly what a security professional is supposed to do in a life threatening situation. Not only did the Angel put him down, he lunged at Hunter and grabbed his arm first with the gun pointing towards the stage and secured him before the knife attack. Hunter was clearly intent on firing that weapon at someone on stage. It appeared to be in the direction of Jagger. It was an unfortunate situation, but the quick response by the Angel may have saved the life of Stone. He may have already fired the gun. I'm convinced the Angel intervention was a heroic one. Forget everything else about the bad behavior at the show and watch the video at the end and see what conclusion you come to.
Cool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
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The Sicilian
As bad as the Hells Angels were on that night—and they were bad—the Angel who took out Meredith Hunter did exactly what a security professional is supposed to do in a life threatening situation. Not only did the Angel put him down, he lunged at Hunter and grabbed his arm first with the gun pointing towards the stage and secured him before the knife attack. Hunter was clearly intent on firing that weapon at someone on stage. It appeared to be in the direction of Jagger. It was an unfortunate situation, but the quick response by the Angel may have saved the life of Stone. He may have already fired the gun. I'm convinced the Angel intervention was a heroic one. Forget everything else about the bad behavior at the show and watch the video at the end and see what conclusion you come to.
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
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Redhotcarpet
Yes but Hunter didnt pull out a loaded gun because of what went on earlier that day. He and the Angels/some Angel had a situation. My guess is that somebody said something/pushed him/hit him/other, and thats when he pulled the gun and tried to shoot the Angel.
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
Sure, here.. [iorr.org]
Read the thread, watch the clips. Remember I said part of the reason.
Turns out he was a Hell's Angel.
Who had been bashing heads/inciting violence and causing mayhem all day. You'll also learn he later died while likely running from someone and had a load of cash on him etc. Like I said, a real scumbag thug, seems obvious.
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
Sure, here.. [iorr.org]
Read the thread, watch the clips. Remember I said part of the reason.
Turns out he was a Hell's Angel.
Who had been bashing heads/inciting violence and causing mayhem all day. You'll also learn he later died while likely running from someone and had a load of cash on him etc. Like I said, a real scumbag thug, seems obvious.
You're judging him on the incident based on his associate w/ the group ... sorry can't do that. You have no idea that he did something that caused the dude to pull a gun but you are stating it that is is most likely ...why?
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
Sure, here.. [iorr.org]
Read the thread, watch the clips. Remember I said part of the reason.
Turns out he was a Hell's Angel.
Who had been bashing heads/inciting violence and causing mayhem all day. You'll also learn he later died while likely running from someone and had a load of cash on him etc. Like I said, a real scumbag thug, seems obvious.
You're judging him on the incident based on his associate w/ the group ... sorry can't do that. You have no idea that he did something that caused the dude to pull a gun but you are stating it that is is most likely ...why?
Sure I can. Just did.
Saying you can't judge a literal gang member who's right up front in the thick of things where they are so violent many of the performers are pleading with them to stop (Grace Slick, Mick, Keith, many more) is frankly absurd. Even in a court of law, when you rob a store and your buddy kills a guy in the process you can be held responsible, surely here in the court of public opinion, the same principal can be applied.
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
Sure, here.. [iorr.org]
Read the thread, watch the clips. Remember I said part of the reason.
Turns out he was a Hell's Angel.
Who had been bashing heads/inciting violence and causing mayhem all day. You'll also learn he later died while likely running from someone and had a load of cash on him etc. Like I said, a real scumbag thug, seems obvious.
You're judging him on the incident based on his associate w/ the group ... sorry can't do that. You have no idea that he did something that caused the dude to pull a gun but you are stating it that is is most likely ...why?
Sure I can. Just did.
Saying you can't judge a literal gang member who's right up front in the thick of things where they are so violent many of the performers are pleading with them to stop (Grace Slick, Mick, Keith, many more) is frankly absurd. Even in a court of law, when you rob a store and your buddy kills a guy in the process you can be held responsible, surely here in the court of public opinion, the same principal can be applied.
I'm with MrDDDD's logic on this and think his original "scumbag" post is probably one of the best in this entire thread. At least for my thoughts and point of view.
Although I'm a bit late: Well said MisterDDDD.
Peace,
Mr DJA
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
Sure, here.. [iorr.org]
Read the thread, watch the clips. Remember I said part of the reason.
Turns out he was a Hell's Angel.
Who had been bashing heads/inciting violence and causing mayhem all day. You'll also learn he later died while likely running from someone and had a load of cash on him etc. Like I said, a real scumbag thug, seems obvious.
You're judging him on the incident based on his associate w/ the group ... sorry can't do that. You have no idea that he did something that caused the dude to pull a gun but you are stating it that is is most likely ...why?
Sure I can. Just did.
Saying you can't judge a literal gang member who's right up front in the thick of things where they are so violent many of the performers are pleading with them to stop (Grace Slick, Mick, Keith, many more) is frankly absurd. Even in a court of law, when you rob a store and your buddy kills a guy in the process you can be held responsible, surely here in the court of public opinion, the same principal can be applied.
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Redhotcarpet
No you can't. The court has to consider every case independently and that's why the acquitted Passaro. It was Passaro who knifed Hunter, no one else. It was Hunter who before that pulled out a loaded gun and pointed it at the stage or at least in some direction - theres a real chance he might have fired it and actually hit someone.
Eggzactly, and then if you can do that, then why can't the Angel do the same to a black person, since that is what you seem to think happened.Quote
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LeonidPCool, so there is new evidence that shows this guy was the reason? Certainly you wouldn't just make that part up, please post the link.Quote
MisterDDDD
... but the guy was a scumbag who likely was a big part of the reason the gun was pulled to begin with...
Sure, here.. [iorr.org]
Read the thread, watch the clips. Remember I said part of the reason.
Turns out he was a Hell's Angel.
Who had been bashing heads/inciting violence and causing mayhem all day. You'll also learn he later died while likely running from someone and had a load of cash on him etc. Like I said, a real scumbag thug, seems obvious.
You're judging him on the incident based on his associate w/ the group ... sorry can't do that. You have no idea that he did something that caused the dude to pull a gun but you are stating it that is is most likely ...why?
Sure I can. Just did...
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LeonidP
Eggzactly, and then if you can do that, then why can't the Angel do the same to a black person, since that is what you seem to think happened.
Can't have it both ways.
Well I guess you will say that you just did again, but that says a lot about your arguments, etc.
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stanlove
The only rational opinion is we don't know if race had anything to do with it. We do know that whites got beat up all over the place also and other blacks near the stage seemed to be doing just fine.
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Doxa
Hmmm... more than figuring out if the death of a Meredith Hunter had some sort of racist factors - the scene being that of America 1969, a gang of white guys not much known for their tolerant opinions...
Not sure how you are so certain of the gang's tolerance level, let alone the specific person involved. It seems a double standard, you are convicting the group, and this specific person without any idea if they/he was racist, just because of the group he was associated with.
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curt
It is extremely simplistic and severely reductionist to sum up the nature of that day based on a few seconds of grainy, dark, handheld camera work.
I would plainly state that a lot more went on there than a drawn pistol...
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curt
the Altamont tragedy being nothing but a suitable target to project and think aloud stances in today's political world (including attitude towards racism, etc.). What I find odd with these people is the lack of any empathy towards Hunter, his family, or anyone beaten up at Altamont. Frightening.
- Doxa
You are the one guilty pf projecting your stance on racism that is so big in today's political world. You can't drop the issue of racism. There is no evidence that it had anything to do with race yet you keep pushing it.
Like I said before. Too way to many people nothing bad can ever happen to someone who happens to be black, it always happens because they are black. To these people everything is chalked up to racism.
Nobody knows if Hunter's race had anything to do with what happened. It is a possibility but no logical argument can be made to back it up. A better argument can be made against it. But nobody knows.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-04-14 17:19 by stanlove.
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Too way to many people nothing bad can ever happen to someone who happens to be black, it always happens because they are black. To these people everything is chalked up to racism.
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stanlove
Too way to many people nothing bad can ever happen to someone who happens to be black, it always happens because they are black. To these people everything is chalked up to racism.
Well, at least you showed your stance pretty well. It is "these people" that you have a beef with, and anything you wrote here about the things happened almost 50 years ago, stems from the motivation to show how wrong "these people" - and supposedly their misuse of the so called 'race card' - today are. Good luck with that agenda.
Thank you for being frank.
- Doxa
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stanlove
One question for you. IS there any chance at all that Hunter's death had nothiong to do with race?
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Hmmm... more than figuring out if the death of a Meredith Hunter had some sort of racist factors - the scene being that of America 1969, a gang of white guys not much known for their tolerant opinions...
Not sure how you are so certain of the gang's tolerance level, let alone the specific person involved. It seems a double standard, you are convicting the group, and this specific person without any idea if they/he was racist, just because of the group he was associated with.
You seemingly missed the 'ifs' in my post - the whole idea of that passage was that of describing rather generally and loosely the context from where the supposed racism charge comes from (no matter what opinion we might have of its validity). Anyway, if "a gang of white guys not much known for their tolerant opinions" is "convicting the group" I can only wonder from where this over-sensitivity from your side derives from. Something clearly hitting hard home there if such a harmless remark about the Hells Angels in general hurts so much. Besides, I wasn't talking about Passaro in particular at all. You seemingly put something into my mouth that isn't there.
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stanlove
One question for you. IS there any chance at all that Hunter's death had nothiong to do with race?
Yes, there is. If you have had just followed the discussion here and tried to read mine or some other people's comments a bit more carefully, that wouldn't have come to you as any surprise (and for you no reason to even ask it now). But no, it is much easier to dismiss the course of a rational, civic discussion by not even trying to understand the others have to say. It is much easier just talk from the base on prejudices about "someone like you" (me, that is). As I can see, you are not talking to some real people here, but to some of your own ghosts or products of your own imagination. Nothing wrong with that, but it is pretty hard for me to talk on behalf of those ghosts..
Besides, I don't have any problem in "showing my true colors". I have nothing to hide. Do you?
- Doxa
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stanlove
You are all about race period and you have an agenda.
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stanlove
You are all about race period and you have an agenda.
Yep. It could be that I take racism more seriously than you do.
- Doxa