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feeling sorry for people who have lost the ability to actually experience something live

That is ridiculous.
I have been going to concerts for 45 years and started taking pictures wit ha good 35mm camera after 10-15 years... and started capturing video about 15 years ago when mini cams were able to capture dang good video.

I have always been perfectly able to "actually experience something live" while capturing pictures and video too. I don't watch the show through the tiny screen... I hold the camera off to the side... screen turned off... and I am rocking out... having a blast. Then go home ans see it all again. I tis too much fun!


I guess some people can do more than one thing at a time... and some can not.

I guess you're right, like the people who can watch porn, text and drive at the same time, all with 100% of their focus on each. It's all about multitasking.

The difference you refer to is between people who believe they can focus 100% on more than one thing at the same time, and those who realize that that is an impossibility. It's the difference in two definitions of what it means to actually experience something. It means different things to different people, as you say.

I have been doing shows like this for 30 years... I do it all then some... and then I go home and see the show again. If you cant do it, that has nothing to do with me.


You didn't explain how you are not a hypocrite hating people who record/post and then you happily watching their efforts.

Hating people???? I said I hated what the cell phone has done to the concert experience. You do get that that is a different thing than hating people? I feel sorry for people who can't fully experience the event, why would I hate them?

So does that explain it for you? I don't expect everyone to conform to my thoughts. You have every right to do what you want, and if you want to post a video, there is nothing hypocritical about me watching it. I'm standing up for your right to disagree with me, look at it that way.

I will take pictures, btw, every so often, but make sure it's pretty quick so not to bother anyone behind me. On rare occasions I'll record a clip, for 20 seconds or so.

Once I did record an entire song, but that was at one of those Living Room concerts and I was standing in the back, so wasn't bothering anyone. That was for the Del-Lords, btw, for a song I love "When the Drugs Kick In" (but my recording was deleted before I could save it, but i found one on youtube

Have some acts commented on the singing along yet? That seems like a tricky affair: on the one hand it is a major endorsement of your audience towards you. It would come off as an insult to tell people to cool it, and be quiet. But I ve seen so many instances now where it HAS to be frustrating for the artist. They are stuck singing the one un-moveable official version now.

BTW are the Del Lords still around??



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Well, I'm going to London Stadium on 22nd May and I will be taking a few pictures to commemorate what is in all likelihood my last (of ten) Rolling Stones concert.

If anyone doesn't like it, well, I'll do my thing you do yours and never the twain shall meet ;-)

Saw The Pretenders the other night.

"Photography Strictly Prohibited" signs were posted at all entrances. Chrissie Hynde made a point of enforcing that policy early in the show - "Put those f*cking things away or I'll stick 'em up your ass."

Didn't see any phones after that... ; )

Also name checked the Stones in her rant - "Saw The Rolling Stones with Brian Jones. No phones!"

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Saw The Pretenders the other night.

"Photography Strictly Prohibited" signs were posted at all entrances. Chrissie Hynde made a point of enforcing that policy early in the show - "Put those f*cking things away or I'll stick 'em up your ass."

Didn't see any phones after that... ; )

Also name checked the Stones in her rant - "Saw The Rolling Stones with Brian Jones. No phones!"

I mentioned something similar earlier in this thread when I saw her solo tour several years ago in a small theater which was basically a Pretenders show as most of the sestlist was Pretenders tunes and I believe all current Pretenders members but the drummer Martin Chambers were part of the band. Anyhow, I'm wondering how she handles this when she's part of a festival? I'll be seeing the Pretenders as part of the Arroyo Seco Festival (day one only) w/Neil Young headlining. I suppose she has to bite her lip in a situation like this, but maybe she'll give a bit of a rant anyways. Coincidentally, phone hater Jack White is also on the bill that day....could be interesting. That said, I've never known Neil Young to say anything during his shows. I've been able to snap off a few quick nice pics in stealth undercover mode at several of his shows, and am always aware of the people around me as to not be a nuisance which has been fairly easy being front and center.

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Speaking of Martin Chambers, had a brief conversation with him the other night.

Band's got a busy year planned. They did a month of shows in Latin America supporting Phil Collins ahead of the current run of US dates.

Back to the US in June for Arroyo Seco and some other headline dates. They're even opening for Def Leppard and Journey at some stadium shows.

Then home to the UK for a tour with Simple Minds.

That's a lot of potential CH rants... ; )

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Saw The Pretenders the other night.

"Photography Strictly Prohibited" signs were posted at all entrances. Chrissie Hynde made a point of enforcing that policy early in the show - "Put those f*cking things away or I'll stick 'em up your ass."

Didn't see any phones after that... ; )

Also name checked the Stones in her rant - "Saw The Rolling Stones with Brian Jones. No phones!"

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Speaking of Martin Chambers, had a brief conversation with him the other night.

Band's got a busy year planned. They did a month of shows in Latin America supporting Phil Collins ahead of the current run of US dates.

Back to the US in June for Arroyo Seco and some other headline dates. They're even opening for Def Leppard and Journey at some stadium shows.

Then home to the UK for a tour with Simple Minds.

That's a lot of potential CH rants... ; )

I was in one of those concerts, but there was no prohibition about using cellphones, probably because it was in a stadium. Overall it was a great concert, despite them being the opening act. It should have been the opposite, but OK.



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Even if you're not bothering anyone else, why can't you just be in the here and now?? Too weird and by the way, imho the videos done by regular folk suck when compared to a professionally made films. Same with photos. I know it's no longer my world but that's just how I feel.

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Even if you're not bothering anyone else, why can't you just be in the here and now?? Too weird and by the way, imho the videos done by regular folk suck when compared to a professionally made films. Same with photos. I know it's no longer my world but that's just how I feel.

People have always taken photos or shot footage at concerts. Some bands have even appealed for fans to submit such footage or photos. Check out the Beatles Eight Days A Week. Without fans a lot of that film wouldn’t exist.

If I want to take a picture on my phone at a concert it ain’t anyone’s business but my own. We live in 2018 not 1972 and I have no responsibility to comply with some old farts idea of how to behave at a concert.

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People have always taken photos or shot footage at concerts. Some bands have even appealed for fans to submit such footage or photos. Check out the Beatles Eight Days A Week. Without fans a lot of that film wouldn’t exist.

If I want to take a picture on my phone at a concert it ain’t anyone’s business but my own. We live in 2018 not 1972 and I have no responsibility to comply with some old farts idea of how to behave at a concert.

Right on man... keep on keeping on. Thank you for taking your time effort to capture and post videos for me to see how a show went when I could not be there myself. You are awesome!


Now if there was only we could block the hypocrites from seeing your/my/our footage after you/I/we post it because as it is (as seen from comments on this site) the same people who whine about cameras and people recording.... and say things like "live in the moment" "you're interfering with my concert".... are among the first people to run over to Youtube to watch footage filmed by audience members.

Look over the comments on the Keith played that benefit concert thread and see the people gushing over the audience recorded footage posted on youtube, I didnt see any complaints there about the low quality footage... but then when they are done watching it they went right back to bashing on good people who take their own time and effort to record and post the videos, bunch of hypocrites.

Jack White talks to Lars Ulrich about the cell phone ban - [www.youtube.com]

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Jack White talks to Lars Ulrich about the cell phone ban - [www.youtube.com]

Jack makes some excellent points.

The first Rolling Stones gig I shot in '75, I brought the following:

1. Two 35mm bodies
2. seven lenses
3. One 8mm movie camera
4. a tripod.
5. A tape deck with plenty of tape and batteries.

The was no issue bringing these items into the show with me.
In fact there was a perceptible deference.

Things sure have changed

Jack White is playing Lollapalooza in Chicago which is a large festival- so good
luck on the cell phone ban at this stop.

Or put another way..... perhaps the likes of Jack White should enjoy the extortionate amounts of money we pay to go to concerts and let us live in the moment as we wish and maybe take a cheeky snapshot to commemorate the moment.

Or put another way..... perhaps the likes of Jack White should enjoy the extortionate amounts of money we pay to go to concerts and let us live in the moment as we wish and maybe take a cheeky snapshot to commemorate the moment.

I thought this whole thing was pretty pretentious, since I think it is somehow a fashion to criticize people taking pictures and videos and then the same people who citicize, go on youtube and watch those videos. I myself really like to take my camera and take some pictures and shoot some videos.

That being said, I really liked the way Jack explained his point of view. I get it and fully respect that. I haven't changed my mind, but if I would ever go to see him, I would have no problem respecting it.

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Jack White is playing Lollapalooza in Chicago which is a large festival- so good
luck on the cell phone ban at this stop.

There is no cell phone ban at festivals.

An example to follow! How I dislike those concert goers who must film everything and then instantly post it on some asocial media Chanel. Ignorant fvckers!
If you want to take some Fotos, take a small pocketcamera, do it without bothering everyone else. And enjoy the concert!

Question ( and answer honestly)......

Does anyone here take issue with bv taking photos and publishing them on this site?

If the answer is yes then say so.....

If the answer is no then in approving of his photos do you accept that it's fair game for anyone?

The Stones have not said that they have issues with people in the crowd using cellphones to text and take photos. Other artists have. Therefore, if it’s an issue to the artist(s), it’s not fair game, IMO.

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The Stones have not said that they have issues with people in the crowd using cellphones to text and take photos. Other artists have. Therefore, if it’s an issue to the artist(s), it’s not fair game, IMO.

My point was whether the people on here who object to people taking photos etc also object to the photos taken by bv. Or do they merely object to a mere mortal taking a picture or two on their phones

I object to all people (bv included, if thats the case, although he has a great website to run) who take more than "one or two" pictures during the show of course. And that is the problem with smartphones. The option to put your pictures out there, instantly. Not worrying the people around you, the people you are blocking the view, etc. Filming is even worse. If live music is something you care about, you go to the show. If you can't make it, because its not in your town or country or continent, wait for them or buy a dvd.
But do not try to catch a glimpse of real live music on shaky videos on persicope, fading away ervey two minutes.
But that is just my humble opinion, and I am grateful some artists start to ban smartphones, because most people are already numbed out by technology.

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I object to all people (bv included, if thats the case, although he has a great website to run) who take more than "one or two" pictures during the show of course. And that is the problem with smartphones. The option to put your pictures out there, instantly. Not worrying the people around you, the people you are blocking the view, etc. Filming is even worse. If live music is something you care about, you go to the show. If you can't make it, because its not in your town or country or continent, wait for them or buy a dvd.
But do not try to catch a glimpse of real live music on shaky videos on persicope, fading away ervey two minutes.
But that is just my humble opinion, and I am grateful some artists start to ban smartphones, because most people are already numbed out by technology.

Not everybody takes pictures and videos with smartphones, not everybody does it to put it instantly on social media. Some people (incl. me) take rather good compact cameras that make excellent pictures and do it so that they don't bother people behind them (or at least I do my best).

It is all a matter of opinion of course and I don't mean to dismiss anybody's opinion, but that thing that you musn't take pictures and be in the moment at a concert, however it sounds logical, I find it pretentious - you couldn't take a picture on your holiday or a picture of your kids then, since you are not "in the moment" and in my humble opinion, those moments with kids are way more valuable than any conert. When I am with my kids, I am with them and sometimes I take some pictures, sometimes I shoot a short video. When I am at a concert, I am at the concert and sometimes I take some pictures and sometimes I shoot a short video. It is just the same. For me.

That is in general, again - speaking about that video where Jack explains his motives - I fully respect that.'

And as for periscopes - well, I don't get that either, I tried to watch one the last year (I think it was from Lucca), but after like ten minutes I couldn't justify spending my time on that. But yeah, if somebody enjoys it, then why not, if the one in the venue doesn't bother people around.

Of course, if somebody holds his smartphone up above his head during the whole concert, that is completely another thing - I have been behind such "fans" a couple of times (not many times luckily) and I can confirm that those people can ruin the experience for those behind them.

So yeah, in the end it is a matter of an opinion and of how it is actually done



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My point was whether the people on here who object to people taking photos etc also object to the photos taken by bv. Or do they merely object to a mere mortal taking a picture or two on their phones

Hard to find anyone that objects to someone who takes the odd pic with either a phone, or I believe in bv's case, a small camera and then posting later to wherever they choose.

Jack White's total ban of cellphones has more to do with those that takes pics or clips or broadcast the whole concert or post to social media right there. His reasoning, (posted above) is pretty sound (feeding off the audience etc) and well within his rights as a performer to try to enforce imo.

Be the first to admit the hypocrisy charge as I watch the Stones streams just as eagerly as anyone. But.. I absolutely despise getting stuck next to or behind someone at a concert taping the whole thing, posting it etc, on a cellphone. The bright light, the fiddling with it to post and the blocking of others views is annoying at best, and confrontation causing at worst.

It's not just about being respectful of others, there are several other issues for the performers as well. Along with Jack's chief complaint re wanting the audience to have their head in the game to play off the energy, there is also potential revenue loss from people choosing to stay home and watch on device rather than buying a ticket, performers working out new material,not wanting to look at and perform to a sea of screens,etc.

Most of the complaints don't apply as much to bands like the Stones, especially in huge stadiums where it's easier(most times) to move away from offenders and there's all the other visual distractions to contend with. As an aside, the Stones were the first to introduce a lot of us fans to Periscope. Was standing outside the Fonda when they first sent a message with a Periscope link.. after signing up a bunch of us where convinced they were going to broadcast the show on it.. (they didn't) they broadcast interviews etc instead.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your view, I don't think the live streams by concert goers phase will be around long.Technology to disable them and venues banning/enforcing them is the wave of the not too distant future. It'll be nice to get back to people just taking the odd pic, which again, hardly anyone disagrees with when done discreetly or infrequently.



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I object to all people (bv included, if thats the case, although he has a great website to run) who take more than "one or two" pictures during the show of course. And that is the problem with smartphones. The option to put your pictures out there, instantly. Not worrying the people around you, the people you are blocking the view, etc. Filming is even worse. If live music is something you care about, you go to the show. If you can't make it, because its not in your town or country or continent, wait for them or buy a dvd.
But do not try to catch a glimpse of real live music on shaky videos on persicope, fading away ervey two minutes.
But that is just my humble opinion, and I am grateful some artists start to ban smartphones, because most people are already numbed out by technology.

I agree, most cell phone videos are garbage but your point on buy the dvd is also garbage as most dvds are bits and pieces of a show. I prefer audio and choose to do it myself with professional gear. You wouldn't know it if I was next to you?

Houston Press music writer David Garrick's take on the cell phone ban:

How Out Of Touch With Reality Is Jack White?

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Houston Press music writer David Garrick's take on the cell phone ban:

How Out Of Touch With Reality Is Jack White?

That's the sort of article where the writer is using his own animus to produce click bait, rather than to make a serious argument, as the note at the end illustrates: "You can catch Jack White on April 30 and May 1 at Revention Music Center. The all ages shows both have phone restrictions and come with a copy of Boarding House Reach to make you hate the experience even more so." Edit: he also refers to the ban being "a bit ostentatious" coming from "an artist who seems doesn't really do much during a live set," which seriously makes you wonder if he's even seen the guy play, and also wonder what he thinks ostentatious means.

There are better arguments on both sides in this thread.



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Maybe Jack should just let all the phones in and ban people ....



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