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My bad. Didn't spot Best on your list
I agree about Maradona being the best footballer ever. And I'm not a Napoli-fan like you
I admire your choices of 1,2,3,6 and 12 which give me a clue where your sympathies lie...FA Cup Final 1974 - Keegan x 2 + Heighway - first proper memory of footballing joy, just as the 1971 Cup Final and the 1970 World Cup QF were my first tastes of footballing misery.
Having said all that, it's probably a toss-up between Pele and Maradona for top spot, maybe with Best as an outside choice.
Dalglish can almost certainly claim the title of greatest ever Scottish player and he had his career at a time when Scotland produced many other great players. For we Scots, these days are sadly long gone
. The anecdotal evidence is that he has also remained a very humble and grounded person despite his wealth and fame. He played in the 1st football match I ever attended - an international between Scotland and Northern Ireland at Hampden Park in Kenny's home city of Glasgow in 1979. The crowd sang his name over and over. In Scotland he is a legend.
For me the sign of a true great is when he is also admired by fans of rival clubs of his own and Kenny had that in spades. He grew up a Rangers fan but was at Celtic for 10 years before achieving even greater fame at Liverpool.
I yearn to see his like again one day in a Scotland shirt
True words!
Alas, we can't turn back time. Wished we could.
+1
Peter Beardsley, I remember he played with the Vancouver Whitecaps in the early 80's!
And sadly 3 of those 4 are long since no longer with us. I'm a Hearts fan so one of my heros is a different and also very talented John Robertson, who I had the pleasure of seeing play many, many times.
I saw my fellow Hamiltonian Davie Cooper play too a number of times. Sadly they don't make them like that any more.
Of the wing kings you mention, I'd put Jimmy Johnstone at the very top of the pile. Simply brilliant.
But, but, Klinsmann never played for Newcastle!
Good call, much as I'm Rangers-minded Jinky was something else, took some kickings but just got on with it. Yeah, the Jambos John 'Jam' was part of a very talented team including Smith, Jardine, Colquhoun and MacKay to name but a few. Shame about that final day of 1986 league season....
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likewise view of my father and immortals such as Bobby Charlton
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-12-14 17:30 by Adrian-L.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-12-14 17:58 by geordiestone.
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Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
laertisflash
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Date: December 12, 2017 22:39
"You never saw Best, Dalglish or Ronaldo play?"
Of course I did, Dandelion! And George Best is at #6 on my catalogue...
Of course I did, Dandelion! And George Best is at #6 on my catalogue...
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
DGA35
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Date: December 12, 2017 23:05
I remember I posed a similar question several years ago when the LA Galaxy with David Beckham were playing in Vancouver. Since he's very famous I asked whether he could be considered one of the best of all time. Lots of non North Americans weighed in!
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 13, 2017 00:23
Quote
laertisflash
"You never saw Best, Dalglish or Ronaldo play?"
Of course I did, Dandelion! And George Best is at #6 on my catalogue...
My bad. Didn't spot Best on your list
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
MadMax
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Date: December 13, 2017 03:47
Diego Armando Maradona with Tony Adams and Franco Baresi as 2nd and third.
Special mention to Eric Cantona for being the Liam Gallagher/Keith Richards of football.
Special mention to Eric Cantona for being the Liam Gallagher/Keith Richards of football.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
hopkins
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Date: December 13, 2017 05:01
It would help me if we had general categories of time period.
I like to consider field, rules, equipment and other cultural peripheral historical stuff, just for fun.
It might be like track; or boxing;
where Records keep getting broken but maybe the very best at a particualr skill-set in a particular position, would narrow it down
so I could learn more about the candidates; and maybe come up with someone I've seen films of; or experienced in my life-time as a fan; who could possibly be so honored.
But I'm gonna read thru the thread and see what I can learn; I love it when it gets late in the season.
I risk and am OK with heaps of Southern Californian shame for being a stalwart member of Patriot Nation.
I mean those managment guys made a phone call and had the Stones play a live-show for them in a private tent.
Just to make Tommy happy. I think it rather did.
I like to consider field, rules, equipment and other cultural peripheral historical stuff, just for fun.
It might be like track; or boxing;
where Records keep getting broken but maybe the very best at a particualr skill-set in a particular position, would narrow it down
so I could learn more about the candidates; and maybe come up with someone I've seen films of; or experienced in my life-time as a fan; who could possibly be so honored.
But I'm gonna read thru the thread and see what I can learn; I love it when it gets late in the season.
I risk and am OK with heaps of Southern Californian shame for being a stalwart member of Patriot Nation.
I mean those managment guys made a phone call and had the Stones play a live-show for them in a private tent.
Just to make Tommy happy. I think it rather did.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
MRAmandaJones
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Date: December 13, 2017 11:07
Top 10:
1 Di Stefano (Arg/Spa)
2 Cruyff (Neth)
3 Platini (Fra)
4 Pelé (Bra)
5 Beckenbauer (Ger)
6 Yachine (Ussr)
7 Maradona (Arg)
8 Van Basten (Neth)
9 Puskas (Hung)
10 Eusebio (Port)
An "personnal" alternative list:
1 Redondo (Arg)
2 Kopa (Fra)
3 Socrates (Bra)
4 Maldini (Ita)
5 R. Baggio (Ita)
6 Rivera (Ita)
7 Dassaev (Ussr)
8 M. Laudrup (Dan)
9 Pirlo (Ita)
10 Francescoli (Uru)
1 Di Stefano (Arg/Spa)
2 Cruyff (Neth)
3 Platini (Fra)
4 Pelé (Bra)
5 Beckenbauer (Ger)
6 Yachine (Ussr)
7 Maradona (Arg)
8 Van Basten (Neth)
9 Puskas (Hung)
10 Eusebio (Port)
An "personnal" alternative list:
1 Redondo (Arg)
2 Kopa (Fra)
3 Socrates (Bra)
4 Maldini (Ita)
5 R. Baggio (Ita)
6 Rivera (Ita)
7 Dassaev (Ussr)
8 M. Laudrup (Dan)
9 Pirlo (Ita)
10 Francescoli (Uru)
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
matxil
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Date: December 13, 2017 11:12
Quote
Koen
Yes, those dribbles by Maradona and Messi are spectacular. But I don’t think they are nearly as inventive and genius as what Cruijff did.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: December 13, 2017 11:21
My favourite players (It doesn't mean that they were the best, though):
1. Steven Gerard (Football royalty)
2. Kenny Dalglish (The best ever)
3. Kevin Keegan (The mighty mouse. What a player!)
4. Diego Armando Maradona (No one could do what he did)
5. Lionel Messi (No one can do what he does)
6. Mohamed Salah (Always dangerous)
7. Johan Cruyff (A forerunner, a pioneer, a football entrepreneur!)
8. Socrates (He made football art)
9. Erik Mykland (In the mid-90s, Norway was ranked #2 in the world, and this guy was having a ball as a central midfielder, on an otherwise kinda grey norwegian team - a bit like Modric, but also with defensive qualities)
10. Rune Bratseth (Norway's best full back ever. Also the best full back in the Bundesliga)
11. George Best (Wow, just wow!)
The bench:
12. Steve Heighway (the best sub ever)
13. Zinedine Zidane (He had everything - even a temper...)
14. Cristiano Ronaldo (Can't stand the guy, but he scores, he scores...)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-12-13 11:22 by DandelionPowderman.
1. Steven Gerard (Football royalty)
2. Kenny Dalglish (The best ever)
3. Kevin Keegan (The mighty mouse. What a player!)
4. Diego Armando Maradona (No one could do what he did)
5. Lionel Messi (No one can do what he does)
6. Mohamed Salah (Always dangerous)
7. Johan Cruyff (A forerunner, a pioneer, a football entrepreneur!)
8. Socrates (He made football art)
9. Erik Mykland (In the mid-90s, Norway was ranked #2 in the world, and this guy was having a ball as a central midfielder, on an otherwise kinda grey norwegian team - a bit like Modric, but also with defensive qualities)
10. Rune Bratseth (Norway's best full back ever. Also the best full back in the Bundesliga)
11. George Best (Wow, just wow!)
The bench:
12. Steve Heighway (the best sub ever)
13. Zinedine Zidane (He had everything - even a temper...)
14. Cristiano Ronaldo (Can't stand the guy, but he scores, he scores...)
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-12-13 11:22 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
Wild Slivovitz
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Date: December 13, 2017 12:44
You guys must be kidding, it's definitely Diego Armando Maradona, with Alfredo Di stefano close second.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
grzegorz67
()
Date: December 13, 2017 13:42
Pele.
Won the World Cup 3 times. And long before money destroyed the game and the era of greedy spoiled brat cossetted and ludicrously overpaid players was ushered in by Ruper Murdoch's Satellite TV billions and grotesquely overpriced match tickets.
Won the World Cup 3 times. And long before money destroyed the game and the era of greedy spoiled brat cossetted and ludicrously overpaid players was ushered in by Ruper Murdoch's Satellite TV billions and grotesquely overpriced match tickets.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 13, 2017 13:53
Quote
Wild Slivovitz
You guys must be kidding, it's definitely Diego Armando Maradona, with Alfredo Di stefano close second.
I agree about Maradona being the best footballer ever. And I'm not a Napoli-fan like you
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
JumpinJimF
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Date: December 13, 2017 14:05
Quote
DandelionPowderman
My favourite players (It doesn't mean that they were the best, though):
1. Steven Gerard (Football royalty)
2. Kenny Dalglish (The best ever)
3. Kevin Keegan (The mighty mouse. What a player!)
4. Diego Armando Maradona (No one could do what he did)
5. Lionel Messi (No one can do what he does)
6. Mohamed Salah (Always dangerous)
7. Johan Cruyff (A forerunner, a pioneer, a football entrepreneur!)
8. Socrates (He made football art)
9. Erik Mykland (In the mid-90s, Norway was ranked #2 in the world, and this guy was having a ball as a central midfielder, on an otherwise kinda grey norwegian team - a bit like Modric, but also with defensive qualities)
10. Rune Bratseth (Norway's best full back ever. Also the best full back in the Bundesliga)
11. George Best (Wow, just wow!)
The bench:
12. Steve Heighway (the best sub ever)
13. Zinedine Zidane (He had everything - even a temper...)
14. Cristiano Ronaldo (Can't stand the guy, but he scores, he scores...)
I admire your choices of 1,2,3,6 and 12 which give me a clue where your sympathies lie...FA Cup Final 1974 - Keegan x 2 + Heighway - first proper memory of footballing joy, just as the 1971 Cup Final and the 1970 World Cup QF were my first tastes of footballing misery.
Having said all that, it's probably a toss-up between Pele and Maradona for top spot, maybe with Best as an outside choice.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
grzegorz67
()
Date: December 13, 2017 15:23
Quote
DandelionPowderman
My favourite players (It doesn't mean that they were the best, though):
1. Steven Gerard (Football royalty)
2. Kenny Dalglish (The best ever)
3. Kevin Keegan (The mighty mouse. What a player!)
4. Diego Armando Maradona (No one could do what he did)
5. Lionel Messi (No one can do what he does)
6. Mohamed Salah (Always dangerous)
7. Johan Cruyff (A forerunner, a pioneer, a football entrepreneur!)
8. Socrates (He made football art)
9. Erik Mykland (In the mid-90s, Norway was ranked #2 in the world, and this guy was having a ball as a central midfielder, on an otherwise kinda grey norwegian team - a bit like Modric, but also with defensive qualities)
10. Rune Bratseth (Norway's best full back ever. Also the best full back in the Bundesliga)
11. George Best (Wow, just wow!)
The bench:
12. Steve Heighway (the best sub ever)
13. Zinedine Zidane (He had everything - even a temper...)
14. Cristiano Ronaldo (Can't stand the guy, but he scores, he scores...)
Dalglish can almost certainly claim the title of greatest ever Scottish player and he had his career at a time when Scotland produced many other great players. For we Scots, these days are sadly long gone
. The anecdotal evidence is that he has also remained a very humble and grounded person despite his wealth and fame. He played in the 1st football match I ever attended - an international between Scotland and Northern Ireland at Hampden Park in Kenny's home city of Glasgow in 1979. The crowd sang his name over and over. In Scotland he is a legend.For me the sign of a true great is when he is also admired by fans of rival clubs of his own and Kenny had that in spades. He grew up a Rangers fan but was at Celtic for 10 years before achieving even greater fame at Liverpool.
I yearn to see his like again one day in a Scotland shirt
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
Phil Good
()
Date: December 13, 2017 16:53
Quote
grzegorz67
Pele.
Won the World Cup 3 times. And long before money destroyed the game and the era of greedy spoiled brat cossetted and ludicrously overpaid players was ushered in by Ruper Murdoch's Satellite TV billions and grotesquely overpriced match tickets.
True words!
Alas, we can't turn back time. Wished we could.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
RipThisBone
()
Date: December 13, 2017 17:54
Quote
matxilQuote
Koen
Yes, those dribbles by Maradona and Messi are spectacular. But I don’t think they are nearly as inventive and genius as what Cruijff did.
+1
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
KevinLocksPerm
()
Date: December 13, 2017 18:00
The answer is.............................Jim Hicks.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
Pietro
()
Date: December 14, 2017 03:23
Brandi Chastain
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
geordiestone
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Date: December 14, 2017 04:38
Best 4 in order of who I seen play in the flesh would be 1 - Paul Gascoigne 2 - Peter Beardsley 3 - Kevin Keegan 4 - Jurgen Klinnsman
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
DGA35
()
Date: December 14, 2017 07:30
Quote
geordiestone
Best 4 in order of who I seen play in the flesh would be 1 - Paul Gascoigne 2 - Peter Beardsley 3 - Kevin Keegan 4 - Jurgen Klinnsman
Peter Beardsley, I remember he played with the Vancouver Whitecaps in the early 80's!
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
ROLLINGSTONE
()
Date: December 14, 2017 14:58
As far as Wing Kings go, all from Scotland; Davie Cooper, Jimmy Johnstone and John Robertson. Most naturally gifted all-rounder was Jim Baxter of Rangers. World Class by any standard then or now.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
grzegorz67
()
Date: December 14, 2017 15:05
Quote
ROLLINGSTONE
As far as Wing Kings go, all from Scotland; Davie Cooper, Jimmy Johnstone and John Robertson. Most naturally gifted all-rounder was Jim Baxter of Rangers. World Class by any standard then or now.
And sadly 3 of those 4 are long since no longer with us
. I'm a Hearts fan so one of my heros is a different and also very talented John Robertson, who I had the pleasure of seeing play many, many times.I saw my fellow Hamiltonian Davie Cooper play too a number of times. Sadly they don't make them like that any more.
Of the wing kings you mention, I'd put Jimmy Johnstone at the very top of the pile. Simply brilliant.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: December 14, 2017 15:06
Quote
geordiestone
Best 4 in order of who I seen play in the flesh would be 1 - Paul Gascoigne 2 - Peter Beardsley 3 - Kevin Keegan 4 - Jurgen Klinnsman
But, but, Klinsmann never played for Newcastle!
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
ROLLINGSTONE
()
Date: December 14, 2017 15:21
Quote
grzegorz67Quote
ROLLINGSTONE
As far as Wing Kings go, all from Scotland; Davie Cooper, Jimmy Johnstone and John Robertson. Most naturally gifted all-rounder was Jim Baxter of Rangers. World Class by any standard then or now.
And sadly 3 of those 4 are long since no longer with us
I saw my fellow Hamiltonian Davie Cooper play too a number of times. Sadly they don't make them like that any more.
Of the wing kings you mention, I'd put Jimmy Johnstone at the very top of the pile. Simply brilliant.
Good call, much as I'm Rangers-minded Jinky was something else, took some kickings but just got on with it. Yeah, the Jambos John 'Jam' was part of a very talented team including Smith, Jardine, Colquhoun and MacKay to name but a few. Shame about that final day of 1986 league season....
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
Zagalo
()
Date: December 14, 2017 15:45
Mostly from the 'TV age' of course...
My Dad always said Duncan Edwards was the best player he ever saw - and he was an Evertonian!
My Dad always said Duncan Edwards was the best player he ever saw - and he was an Evertonian!
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: December 14, 2017 15:52
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
geordiestone
Best 4 in order of who I seen play in the flesh would be 1 - Paul Gascoigne 2 - Peter Beardsley 3 - Kevin Keegan 4 - Jurgen Klinnsman
But, but, Klinsmann never played for Newcastle!
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<Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
RoughJusticeOnYa
()
Date: December 14, 2017 15:54
'Best Ever' trio, in historic order:
Pele - Cruijff - Messi
Pele - Cruijff - Messi
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
buttons67
()
Date: December 14, 2017 16:00
ROLLINGSTONE. as a rangers fan you must put davie cooper up there as one of the best, as a celtic fan i always liked that type of player although it was difficult to watch when on the receiving end, he could spot a killer pass, could dribble, score goals and cross to create many goals for others, and he wasnt selfish. something very few players have in the modern game.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
Adrian-L
()
Date: December 14, 2017 17:30
Quote
Zagalo
Mostly from the 'TV age' of course...
My Dad always said Duncan Edwards was the best player he ever saw - and he was an Evertonian!
likewise view of my father and immortals such as Bobby Charlton
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-12-14 17:30 by Adrian-L.
Re: OT. Best football player of all time.
Posted by:
geordiestone
()
Date: December 14, 2017 17:56
No haha obviously and I never said he did, but I did see him for Tottenham when they played us on more than one occasion and he oozed class.Quote
RoughJusticeOnYaQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
geordiestone
Best 4 in order of who I seen play in the flesh would be 1 - Paul Gascoigne 2 - Peter Beardsley 3 - Kevin Keegan 4 - Jurgen Klinnsman
But, but, Klinsmann never played for Newcastle!
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