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matxil
I'm so sorry for all of this. Another act of terrorism. I hope it will stop one day. Don't know when. I'm not in a very positive mood today, but I still believe love, sympathy and empathy are the only way to move forward.
It's not terrorism and it's not "Trump's fault." Although this is all still early, I read that the shooter had a lawsuit with a casino a few years ago. So for example if he went nuts because he lost a lawsuit then it's not terrorism. It's mass murder.
If we play with the meanings of words to suit own own political agendas that helps no one.
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DaveG
At this point, there has been no indication that the shooter was connected to any political ideology. He seems to be a loner, unhappy with life. But, it is still very early in the investigation. It'll take some time to determine what motivated him. It is way to easy to post ignorant opinions on a blog site without knowing the facts. From afar we all see things through our own lens. But the fact is that we only know what the news outlets report. To turn this into a political rant is just foolish and disrespectful to the victims.
Do you mean HERE on IORR, or as a country?Quote
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DaveG
At this point, there has been no indication that the shooter was connected to any political ideology. He seems to be a loner, unhappy with life. But, it is still very early in the investigation. It'll take some time to determine what motivated him. It is way to easy to post ignorant opinions on a blog site without knowing the facts. From afar we all see things through our own lens. But the fact is that we only know what the news outlets report. To turn this into a political rant is just foolish and disrespectful to the victims.
true, true. other than the gun argument which we don't need to get into. just watched trump on tv. he was very subdued & presidential. nice to see for a change. not a political comment, more a statement about me being tired of the rhetoric from all sides.
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keefriff99
If @#$%& Sandy Hook didn't change anything in this country, then nothing will.
These sick bastards are mostly followers of whackjob internet conspiracy theorist Alex Jones. His followers are STILL, to this day, harassing the parents who lost kids that horrible day.Quote
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keefriff99
If @#$%& Sandy Hook didn't change anything in this country, then nothing will.
Some people (bizarrely...) claim that Sandy Hook didn't happen, or was orchestrated by the then government in order to facilitate passing stricter gun control legislation.
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MileHigh
There is simply no end to the gun argument. A crazy man walks into a classroom and guns everyone down and people are helpless and die and scatter. A crazy man walks into a classroom and starts shooting and a sane person in the classroom guns him down and saves 20 lives. Is there a "right solution" to this problem here? Does making guns illegal stop people from getting them? I don't have any answers on this issue, just questions.
It's a very sad day.
In a sample of a million people, there is a statistical certainty that there will be some people that will be irrational or evil or sometimes both.
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MileHigh
There is simply no end to the gun argument. A crazy man walks into a classroom and guns everyone down and people are helpless and die and scatter. A crazy man walks into a classroom and starts shooting and a sane person in the classroom guns him down and saves 20 lives. Is there a "right solution" to this problem here? Does making guns illegal stop people from getting them? I don't have any answers on this issue, just questions.
It's a very sad day.
In a sample of a million people, there is a statistical certainty that there will be some people that will be irrational or evil or sometimes both.
It is also a statistical certainty that tighter gun laws reduce the number of deaths (by guns).
Not rocket science.
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crholmstrom
the casulaty count just went up to 50 dead, 200 injured.
Guns flood into the city from surrounding shit-kicker states with lax gun laws.Quote
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MileHigh
There is simply no end to the gun argument. A crazy man walks into a classroom and guns everyone down and people are helpless and die and scatter. A crazy man walks into a classroom and starts shooting and a sane person in the classroom guns him down and saves 20 lives. Is there a "right solution" to this problem here? Does making guns illegal stop people from getting them? I don't have any answers on this issue, just questions.
It's a very sad day.
In a sample of a million people, there is a statistical certainty that there will be some people that will be irrational or evil or sometimes both.
It is also a statistical certainty that tighter gun laws reduce the number of deaths (by guns).
Not rocket science.
Yeah, Chicago is a great example of that logic.
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DaveG
At this point, there has been no indication that the shooter was connected to any political ideology. He seems to be a loner, unhappy with life. But, it is still very early in the investigation. It'll take some time to determine what motivated him. It is way to easy to post ignorant opinions on a blog site without knowing the facts. From afar we all see things through our own lens. But the fact is that we only know what the news outlets report. To turn this into a political rant is just foolish and disrespectful to the victims.
true, true. other than the gun argument which we don't need to get into. just watched trump on tv. he was very subdued & presidential. nice to see for a change. not a political comment, more a statement about me being tired of the rhetoric from all sides.
Because we've heard the "this is not the time for..." bullshit argument for years after every one of these tragedies, and it's obvious that it's just a way to deflect and shut down debate. Easier to offer mindless "thoughts and prayers" than actually do something concrete.
If @#$%& Sandy Hook didn't change anything in this country, then nothing will.
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lem motlow
i guess.it just feels safer to blame a gun than to face real problems.
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lem motlow
The largest domestic terrorist attack in the United States was done with a truck filled with ammonium nitrate -168 dead and over 600 wounded.this chemical can be made using household items.
The largest attack in the states done by foreigners killed 3000 people and injured untold more.this was done using boxcutters.
For some reason chemicals and box cutters don't get people emotional though.i guess.it just feels safer to blame a gun than to face real problems.
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lem motlow
it just feels safer to blame a gun than to face real problems.
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Elmo Lewis
As a political moderate and hunter, I have always defended my right to own a gun.
I don't mind waiting periods. background checks, etc. to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics...
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Elmo Lewis
As a political moderate and hunter, I have always defended my right to own a gun.
I don't mind waiting periods. background checks, etc. to keep guns out of the hands of lunatics...
The problem is, often there's no way to no if one is a 'lunatic' until they do something like this (which appears to be the case with this latest 'nut').
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lem motlow
The largest domestic terrorist attack in the United States was done with a truck filled with ammonium nitrate - 168 dead and over 600 wounded.this chemical can be made using household items.
Respnse: I don't think any sound minded person skirted over this as if it was nothing, the point here is though, bomb attacks are really rare in the US - gun attacks are not.
Acid attacks are becoming regular in London - the Government are already looking at tightening the rules regarding the acquirement of such chemicals.
lem motlow.. The largest attack in the states done by foreigners killed 3000 people and injured untold more.this was done using boxcutters.
Response: Hardly, the boxcutters got them in the cockpit and facilitated the attack but of course they used planes - there's no serious suggestion that a handful of blokes went up and killed 3000 using boxcutters - would have taken weeks..........
Plus in the UK, you're not allowed to buy a knife (or box cutter or Stanley knife as they are known here) until you're 18 - not that that would have affected the twin towers situation - and if you're caught in possesion of a knife on the streets without a legitimate reason for carrying you can go to jail.
Adults convicted of an offence involving a knife for a second time will face minimum sentences of at least six months, while those aged 16 to 18 will get at least four months detention or a training order.
The move will see an additional 1,300 people a year jailed for possession of a knife, with a maximum sentence of up to four years.
lem motlow....... For some reason chemicals and box cutters don't get people emotional though.i guess.it just feels safer to blame a gun than to face real problems.
Gun violence has killed more people than all of our wars? but traffic accidents are a far greater number,I say we ban those damn cars,and fatty foods.cant forget that heart disease.face it, vehicles, chemical ieds and sharp objects don't fit the narrative so You talk circles to avoid the truth.
Response: Here you just defeat your own agument with your own words - Traffic accidents are just that - accidents - Death by fatty foods are suicide (if you know better than to eat such shit) or death by misadventure if you don't - I guess there's a case for manslaughter or murder if you feed your kid FatDonald's too often and they die from complications from that............gun attacks in the US are regular as clockwork and only murderous, not accidents.
But guns - even ownership for hunting is a spurious reason, I mean, what self respecting man seriously thinks that going in the woods and shooting some helpless Deer or rabbit or whatever is a brave manly thing to do that will somehow enhance their stature as a human being......this is seriously retarded thinking that only belongs in the annals of a sorry history of 'Trophy hunting' - a bit like serial killing mentality really - take your Elk's head home and Jerk off - wow.......
there's no legitimate reason for owning a gun except to protect yourself from other morons that own them.
If nobody had a gun, nobody else would need one.