Are the songs slower this tour . It feels like it . On Previous tour set lists the BPM can be seen for each song, Not anymore. Maybe it's me that's slow.

Slower than what?

This is a song people claim was very slow. Judge for yourself, compared to the original studio version:





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Slower than usual. Rambler and JJF seemed very slow in Munich

I dont think IORR is slower then the original on the LP from 1974.

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I dont think IORR is slower then the original on the LP from 1974.

I don't think ANY song is slower than on the LPs. Then again, none of them are faster, either, and that might be what people are noticing.

MR is suffering a bit because of Chuck's beats per minute-count, I guess. Apart from that, it's how they play within that beat that will make it swing or not - not the tempo in itself, imo.

Do you really have to ask that question? All songs are slower than they used to be in concerrt. If you play Jumping Jack Flash from Hamburg 2017 on youtube and put it on 1.25 speed it will sound like how it was played 10 years ago.

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Do you really have to ask that question? All songs are slower than they used to be in concerrt. If you play Jumping Jack Flash from Hamburg 2017 on youtube and put it on 1.25 speed it will sound like how it was played 10 years ago.

JJF 2007 and 2017:





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they used to be off to the races live, haha. the chemical make up may have had something to do with that. now it's more of a stroll in the park. not necessarily a bad thing in some cases.

Yes they are slower. I noticed that on the last tour.

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Do you really have to ask that question? All songs are slower than they used to be in concerrt. If you play Jumping Jack Flash from Hamburg 2017 on youtube and put it on 1.25 speed it will sound like how it was played 10 years ago.

JJF 2007 and 2017:





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Seems likely they've dialed back the BPM to accommodate Keith (or possibly Charlie).

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I dont think IORR is slower then the original on the LP from 1974.

I don't think ANY song is slower than on the LPs.

Paint it black is slower then the original
It was difficult in Hamburg

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I dont think IORR is slower then the original on the LP from 1974.

I don't think ANY song is slower than on the LPs.

Paint it black is slower then the original
It was difficult in Hamburg

Here's the original vs Hamburg-comparison:





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Are the songs slower this tour . It feels like it . On Previous tour set lists the BPM can be seen for each song, Not anymore. Maybe it's me that's slow.

Yes, I think it was done deliberately. I also think it is nice for a change. I remember people complaning way back in the 70s, when Ron Wood joined the band on tour. The Stones became an up-tempo band in comparison with the "Mick Taylor" period ( Although? 1973? Brussels?). As an "oldie" I think I can swing during the whole concert (Amsterdam/Arnhem) at the "Hamburg pace"

Not qualified to comment musically on the tempo, other to note that their tempos have varied in the past and it is something that either comes naturally or, more likely in this case, it is something that the band decides (however they decide these things today. In the past it was probably just Keith and how he felt like playing, but today it probably with input from Mick and Charlie and even Chuck.
Another aside: Isn't the technology incredible that we can hear these concerts in our homes and then discuss them with fellow Stones fans? Whether we disagree or not, just the fact that we can have these conversations and see such sharp pictures is incredible.

I noticed they were slower a couple of years ago, when playing Rocks Off.

1973 versions are way faster and dynamic than a couple of years ago, but thats logical, isn't it ?

Is it possible they're playing to a pre-determined click track?
It's obvious with Sympathy with the pre-recorded drum loop, but maybe the rest are also set and then possibly fed to other members via an earpiece??

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As someone who got into the Stones back when they used to speed up everything live, them playing at the correct tempos is something I'm still getting used. It is what it is. They're not young and amped up on coke anymore either.

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Is it possible they're playing to a pre-determined click track?
It's obvious with Sympathy with the pre-recorded drum loop, but maybe the rest are also set and then possibly fed to other members via an earpiece??

Most likely not... Otherwise, why would Charlie be wearing headphones only on Symphony? That's the only time he's following a track (be it click or just drum loop) and thus, the only time he needs to follow a click. The rest of the time, Chuck counts (or Keith plays) and they all follow... each other.

Having worked with click tracks many times myself, the only way I could see for a click to be used with the Stones on anything other than Symphony, would be if Chuck had the click in an in-ear and everyone was following him. I'm not saying that isn't happening but I'm 99.99% sure it's not and would be absolutely AMAZED if I were to ever find out that it was.

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I dont think IORR is slower then the original on the LP from 1974.

I don't think ANY song is slower than on the LPs. Then again, none of them are faster, either, and that might be what people are noticing.

MR is suffering a bit because of Chuck's beats per minute-count, I guess. Apart from that, it's how they play within that beat that will make it swing or not - not the tempo in itself, imo.

JJF is definitely slower than the original. You don't even need to compare the two versions, it's so obvious. I don't understand why they would do that.

I think the only song suffering is Brown Sugar, it drags a bit and doesn't have it's trademark groove.

I noticed it right away and think it's awesome. I wish they slowed them down years ago -

maybe people playing the lps at 45

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Do you really have to ask that question? All songs are slower than they used to be in concerrt. If you play Jumping Jack Flash from Hamburg 2017 on youtube and put it on 1.25 speed it will sound like how it was played 10 years ago.

Your response made me laugh!

Many people commented about the IORR being slower tempo on the tour opener.

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They're not young and amped up on coke anymore either.

The coke has been changed to valium.

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I dont think IORR is slower then the original on the LP from 1974.

I don't think ANY song is slower than on the LPs. Then again, none of them are faster, either, and that might be what people are noticing.

MR is suffering a bit because of Chuck's beats per minute-count, I guess. Apart from that, it's how they play within that beat that will make it swing or not - not the tempo in itself, imo.

JJF is definitely slower than the original. You don't even need to compare the two versions, it's so obvious. I don't understand why they would do that.

Yeah, some of the songs Keith starts tend to be slower.

They've started slowing songs down since 2002/3 in comparison to 1997, but maybe that was to create a different vibe. Don't know.

These last tours songs are slowed down to help the core members to play the changes in some songs correct.

Don't think Keith kan play rocks off anymore at it's original BPM, not that it should matter, , that's age

And by the way, I dont think the slower tempo has to be a problem. Bill would have shined now.

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And by the way, I dont think the slower tempo has to be a problem. Bill would have shined now.

That's a good point, as it always is down to how they play a song within its tempo.

Listen to JJF from Altamont, for instance. The slowest ever, but still great.

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Are the songs slower this tour . It feels like it . On Previous tour set lists the BPM can be seen for each song, Not anymore. Maybe it's me that's slow.

What's BPM? Is that beats per minute? I thought only hearts had beats per minute.

Look on the bright side -- at least the song lasts that much longer.

The only thing sadder than the end of a good song is that last sip from a bottle, can, or glass of beer.