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powerage78
Yes, Mick Taylor rhythm guitar playing on SFM (1969) is just fantastic, rough and pleasurable. An infernal duo with Keith.
Gold Stones era with Mick Taylor. Never as good since he left?.
I have always dreamed that Ron can play with so much constancy.
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whilst to the layman sound "great", to me there is no fluency or pattern to them - he is playing within his limits....and luckily in key..
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whilst to the layman sound "great", to me there is no fluency or pattern to them - he is playing within his limits....and luckily in key..
Every guitarist plays within his/her limits. Playing OUTSIDE their limits would actually be impossible and therefore just horrible to hear.
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Eleanor Rigby
whilst to the layman sound "great", to me there is no fluency or pattern to them - he is playing within his limits....and luckily in key..
Every guitarist plays within his/her limits. Playing OUTSIDE their limits would actually be impossible and therefore just horrible to hear.
Sorry, that statement is simply not true. And it's not only not true for guitarists, but neither for painters, writers, football players, opera singers. One always tends to go beyond what one can. One can only pushing one's limits if one goes outside. That's why the Stones didn't end up as The Animals or the Pretty Things, but ended up being the greatest rock n roll band in the world.
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Eleanor Rigby
whilst to the layman sound "great", to me there is no fluency or pattern to them - he is playing within his limits....and luckily in key..
Every guitarist plays within his/her limits. Playing OUTSIDE their limits would actually be impossible and therefore just horrible to hear.
Sorry, that statement is simply not true. And it's not only not true for guitarists, but neither for painters, writers, football players, opera singers. One always tends to go beyond what one can. One can only pushing one's limits if one goes outside. That's why the Stones didn't end up as The Animals or the Pretty Things, but ended up being the greatest rock n roll band in the world.
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I think it's more fair to compare this years performances with how they played the last few years than with 1969. And to be honest I think the Stones are better now than in 2013/2014, the yearly touring since 2012 has really warmed up the machinery if we overlook a few imperfections in Keith's playing. When I listen to songs like Start Me Up, Brown Sugar and Gimme Shelter the groove and flow is better than the last few years.
I can't agree. What i hear (in concert, not YT clips) is what i hear.
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Eleanor Rigby
whilst to the layman sound "great", to me there is no fluency or pattern to them - he is playing within his limits....and luckily in key..
Every guitarist plays within his/her limits. Playing OUTSIDE their limits would actually be impossible and therefore just horrible to hear.
Sorry, that statement is simply not true. And it's not only not true for guitarists, but neither for painters, writers, football players, opera singers. One always tends to go beyond what one can. One can only pushing one's limits if one goes outside. That's why the Stones didn't end up as The Animals or the Pretty Things, but ended up being the greatest rock n roll band in the world.
Sorry, but your statement CAN'T be true. You can certainly PUSH the limits, even extend them, but you can't go outside your limits without self-destructing
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powerage78
Yes, Mick Taylor rhythm guitar playing on SFM (1969) is just fantastic, rough and pleasurable. An infernal duo with Keith.
Gold Stones era with Mick Taylor. Never as good since he left?.
I have always dreamed that Ron can play with so much constancy.
[youtu.be]
Your dreams were heard
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powerage78
Yes, Mick Taylor rhythm guitar playing on SFM (1969) is just fantastic, rough and pleasurable. An infernal duo with Keith.
Gold Stones era with Mick Taylor. Never as good since he left?.
I have always dreamed that Ron can play with so much constancy.
[youtu.be]
Your dreams were heard
[www.youtube.com]
Ronnie puts in a good effort there, but come on dude the versions from 69-73 blow it away.
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yeababyyea
I think it's more fair to compare this years performances with how they played the last few years than with 1969. And to be honest I think the Stones are better now than in 2013/2014, the yearly touring since 2012 has really warmed up the machinery if we overlook a few imperfections in Keith's playing. When I listen to songs like Start Me Up, Brown Sugar and Gimme Shelter the groove and flow is better than the last few years.
I can't agree. What i hear (in concert, not YT clips) is what i hear.
I think the most obvious difference is that Mick's voice sounds better this year, to make a quick comparison:
Start Me Up Düsseldorf 2014: [www.youtube.com]
Start Me Up Düsseldorf 2017: [www.youtube.com]
In the 2017 video Mick voice sounds fresher and Lisa is not overpowering him.
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yeababyyea
I think it's more fair to compare this years performances with how they played the last few years than with 1969. And to be honest I think the Stones are better now than in 2013/2014, the yearly touring since 2012 has really warmed up the machinery if we overlook a few imperfections in Keith's playing. When I listen to songs like Start Me Up, Brown Sugar and Gimme Shelter the groove and flow is better than the last few years.
I can't agree. What i hear (in concert, not YT clips) is what i hear.
I think the most obvious difference is that Mick's voice sounds better this year, to make a quick comparison:
Start Me Up Düsseldorf 2014: [www.youtube.com]
Start Me Up Düsseldorf 2017: [www.youtube.com]
In the 2017 video Mick voice sounds fresher and Lisa is not overpowering him.
Can't notice much difference with Mick's voice, but what i did notice was that Keith's sound is much better in 2017.
In fact i would go so far as to say the most noticeable difference overall in the last few years is Mick. He has slowed down. He's not the same force of nature and energy now. Its obviously to be expected, the man is 74. I can't think of any other performer his age with as much energy, but he is only human and he has slowed down physically. Ronnie on the other hand as never been more energetic on stage. He is playing and moving like a man possessed, like a man who's time is running out.
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powerage78
Ronnie is Angus Young.
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DandelionPowderman
Hm, I liked this Play With Fire better than in 1989. I thought he sounded more brutal on it back then. Same with Angie (on recent tours), compared to 1990.
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Hm, I liked this Play With Fire better than in 1989. I thought he sounded more brutal on it back then. Same with Angie (on recent tours), compared to 1990.
He can't sing it like this now. But i agree the overall performance was better recently, better from Keith.
Where he sings ''BUT DON'T PLAY WITH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING WITH FIRE''. Itys very weak.
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What exactly is meant by "brutal"??
When I hear vocals described as brutal, it's usually in reference to this particular genre:
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What exactly is meant by "brutal"??
When I hear vocals described as brutal, it's usually in reference to this particular genre:
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That he's not treating the melody with care, merely belting out the lyrics. Angie in 1990, and to a less example PWF in 1989 are examples of that.
He sang it brilliantly in Hamburg, imo.
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Hm, I liked this Play With Fire better than in 1989. I thought he sounded more brutal on it back then. Same with Angie (on recent tours), compared to 1990.
He can't sing it like this now. But i agree the overall performance was better recently, better from Keith.
Where he sings ''BUT DON'T PLAY WITH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING WITH FIRE''. Itys very weak.
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Hamburg. 2017
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What the heck. What's important is that he's overall brilliant this time, like Dandy said. His singing much more nuanced, the nasal stuff totally gone. Sometimes he even sounds like in 1969 (Under My Thumb, Street Fighting Man). Slowing down his dance moves is perfectly ok with me when it leads to his voice sounding so much better. Hell, and it's not like he's standing almost motionloss in front of the microphone stand like Eddie Vedder or Liam Gallagher either.
Also, you may have noticed that the arrangement of Play With Fire in Hamburg is much more restrained compaired to 1989 and I think Mick has just adjusted his singing accordingly or in other words less "brutal".
Maybe so. Sometimes I think he wrote certain lyrics so long ago that he simply can't relate to the mindset he was in and just goes through the motions, or even finds them silly or overly mawkish. I feel like he tried much harder on this current tour, even if he can't sing with the same ease he did 28 years ago.Quote
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Hm, I liked this Play With Fire better than in 1989. I thought he sounded more brutal on it back then. Same with Angie (on recent tours), compared to 1990.
He can't sing it like this now. But i agree the overall performance was better recently, better from Keith.
Where he sings ''BUT DON'T PLAY WITH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE PLAYING WITH FIRE''. Itys very weak.
89'
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Hamburg. 2017
[www.youtube.com]
What the heck. What's important is that he's overall brilliant this time, like Dandy said. His singing much more nuanced, the nasal stuff totally gone. Sometimes he even sounds like in 1969 (Under My Thumb, Street Fighting Man). Slowing down his dance moves is perfectly ok with me when it leads to his voice sounding so much better. Hell, and it's not like he's standing almost motionloss in front of the microphone stand like Eddie Vedder or Liam Gallagher either.
Also, you may have noticed that the arrangement of Play With Fire in Hamburg is much more restrained compaired to 1989 and I think Mick has just adjusted his singing accordingly or in other words less "brutal".
I miss the real Jagger on both versions but gotta say the 1989 version is horrible. Like he's joking around, even mocking their song. And no, it's not comparable to the growling or slurring 1976 Jagger which I happen like.