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Redhotcarpet
His sound is great on this tour. I love it.
I still say he seems detached, not always, but a bit too late, as if he occasionally has to remind himself of what to play. Insecure maybe. Like he's revisiting songs he doesnt feel connected to anymore. Maybe he moved on.
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DandelionPowderman
Watch SFM from Amsterdam and say that again, Riffie
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Redhotcarpet
His sound is great on this tour. I love it.
I still say he seems detached, not always, but a bit too late, as if he occasionally has to remind himself of what to play. Insecure maybe. Like he's revisiting songs he doesnt feel connected to anymore. Maybe he moved on.
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Redhotcarpet
His sound is great on this tour. I love it.
I still say he seems detached, not always, but a bit too late, as if he occasionally has to remind himself of what to play. Insecure maybe. Like he's revisiting songs he doesnt feel connected to anymore. Maybe he moved on.
Very interesting theory.
Also that idea that it takes him a little time on a tour to become 'Keith Richards' as opposed to his real self.
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MileHigh
Not to pour salt on a wound, but listen to this cover of Gimme Shelter:
[www.youtube.com]
OMG if the Stones could have played it like this consistently 30+ years ago it would have truly been awesome. Some songs truly call for an "E Street Band" level of technical excellence to really take them over the top and sadly there are only flashes of the Stones version of that nowadays.
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MileHigh
Not to pour salt on a wound, but listen to this cover of Gimme Shelter:
[www.youtube.com]
OMG if the Stones could have played it like this consistently 30+ years ago it would have truly been awesome. Some songs truly call for an "E Street Band" level of technical excellence to really take them over the top and sadly there are only flashes of the Stones version of that nowadays.
Very average heavy handed cover without any finesse or intricacies. Thank god the Stones has never sounded like Mick singing over a karaoke backing track. If you want ''technical excellence'' well then go listen to the Stones play Gimme Shelter live at Parardiso in 1995. Then you will hear a band with energy that's still way tighter than the sleepy ''Sterephonics'' wedding band version you posted.
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MileHigh
Not to pour salt on a wound, but listen to this cover of Gimme Shelter:
[www.youtube.com]
OMG if the Stones could have played it like this consistently 30+ years ago it would have truly been awesome. Some songs truly call for an "E Street Band" level of technical excellence to really take them over the top and sadly there are only flashes of the Stones version of that nowadays.
Very average heavy handed cover without any finesse or intricacies. Thank god the Stones has never sounded like Mick singing over a karaoke backing track. If you want ''technical excellence'' well then go listen to the Stones play Gimme Shelter live at Parardiso in 1995. Then you will hear a band with energy that's still way tighter than the sleepy ''Sterephonics'' wedding band version you posted.
Well, we can agree to disagree but I think the live Stereophonics version sounds great and kicks ass. You might want to try reading the top comments on the YouTube clip. Assume for the sake of argument that the comments are a somewhat less biased quasi-random sampling of opinions.
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stone4ever
I often wonder if some of Keith's genius comes from the fact that Keith appears to be in his own fantasy land. I don't think, had he been normal (whatever that is) he would have created the songs he has, in the circumstances that he has throughout is life.
He just doesn't except the boundaries and limitations that are set before him, he never did, and he never will, and that is what makes him so different and so special.
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nikola0406
Did Keith played on the Crosseyed heart album? Did he played guitar parts on that album. Was it any good? I think it was. And how about Blue and Lonesome?
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nikola0406
What is wrong with that? I mean if he ONLY played the rhythm? Would we like that album more if someone else was playing the rhythm guitar instead of Keith? Should Stones stop what they are doing or just replace Keith? Would that be a good thing for us, the FANS?
Do we want our band to just stop everything?
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stone4ever
I often wonder if some of Keith's genius comes from the fact that Keith appears to be in his own fantasy land. I don't think, had he been normal (whatever that is) he would have created the songs he has, in the circumstances that he has throughout is life.
He has this romantic notion of the band and his playing that just doesn't exist. This might be what carries him on.
Even when its so painfully clear Mick doesn't want to have much to do with him, it seems to go right over Keith's head. He talks about Mick in this warm way, like they are brothers or they share this marriage together. But it hasn't been like that since Bianca. Their relationship, if they have one at all, solely exists so Mick can continue earning huge sums of money with the Stones as a live act. Keith just refuses to acknowledge this, he doesn't even notice the band is no longer his. From the backing singers, to all the musicians beyond the Stones themselves, to the songs being played each night, this is Mick's band, Mick's decisions.
Looking at Keith's hands there, again, a normal person would have realised, you can't play to eighty thousand people, who are paying an obscene amount of money each, with fingers like that. It just wouldn't occur to him.
But Keith makes his own rules, the world according to Keith is how it appears to him, and he believes he is up to the job, and as a consequence of that, he manages to blag his way through, and get up to the job of being guitarist in the best rock and roll band in the world.
Someone forgot to tell Keith its impossible for him now to do this, or they don't dare tell him, but Keith always believe's what he wants to be true, and he somehow pulls it off, even when his most ardent fan's like me say, no no, please Keith, no.
This is a facet to Keith's personality that is rarely mentioned, it brings denial into a whole new spectrum of reality.
I love him for sticking his two fingers up to what anyone says he can or cannot do, he lives in his own bubble of beliefs and possibilities, and looking again at those fingers its just as well. Because those fingers should not be able to play Rock music for 2.5 hours in sometimes cold outdoor temperatures.. He does it with a smile on his face, and he does it spite of obvious difficulties in the most charming way.
Just another reason why i love and admire this man.
For nearly 15 years as a junkie, he once again achieved more than what a junkie should achieve, in those years as an addict he somehow managed to write some of the best Rock songs ever written and tour with the biggest band in the world.
The point i am making is that Keith's artistic abilities were spurred on from the same thing that helps him to continue to be a touring artist today.
He just doesn't except the boundaries and limitations that are set before him, he never did, and he never will, and that is what makes him so different and so special.
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stone4ever
I often wonder if some of Keith's genius comes from the fact that Keith appears to be in his own fantasy land. I don't think, had he been normal (whatever that is) he would have created the songs he has, in the circumstances that he has throughout is life.
He has this romantic notion of the band and his playing that just doesn't exist. This might be what carries him on.
Even when its so painfully clear Mick doesn't want to have much to do with him, it seems to go right over Keith's head. He talks about Mick in this warm way, like they are brothers or they share this marriage together. But it hasn't been like that since Bianca. Their relationship, if they have one at all, solely exists so Mick can continue earning huge sums of money with the Stones as a live act. Keith just refuses to acknowledge this, he doesn't even notice the band is no longer his. From the backing singers, to all the musicians beyond the Stones themselves, to the songs being played each night, this is Mick's band, Mick's decisions.
Looking at Keith's hands there, again, a normal person would have realised, you can't play to eighty thousand people, who are paying an obscene amount of money each, with fingers like that. It just wouldn't occur to him.
But Keith makes his own rules, the world according to Keith is how it appears to him, and he believes he is up to the job, and as a consequence of that, he manages to blag his way through, and get up to the job of being guitarist in the best rock and roll band in the world.
Someone forgot to tell Keith its impossible for him now to do this, or they don't dare tell him, but Keith always believe's what he wants to be true, and he somehow pulls it off, even when his most ardent fan's like me say, no no, please Keith, no.
This is a facet to Keith's personality that is rarely mentioned, it brings denial into a whole new spectrum of reality.
I love him for sticking his two fingers up to what anyone says he can or cannot do, he lives in his own bubble of beliefs and possibilities, and looking again at those fingers its just as well. Because those fingers should not be able to play Rock music for 2.5 hours in sometimes cold outdoor temperatures.. He does it with a smile on his face, and he does it spite of obvious difficulties in the most charming way.
Just another reason why i love and admire this man.
For nearly 15 years as a junkie, he once again achieved more than what a junkie should achieve, in those years as an addict he somehow managed to write some of the best Rock songs ever written and tour with the biggest band in the world.
The point i am making is that Keith's artistic abilities were spurred on from the same thing that helps him to continue to be a touring artist today.
He just doesn't except the boundaries and limitations that are set before him, he never did, and he never will, and that is what makes him so different and so special.
From your post one gets the impression that Keith does not earn the large sums of money from live playing, which Mick does. Once again, you attribute motives of a certain kind to one that you don't towards the other in any way. Is it unfair and is it unkind to call this double standards?
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stone4ever
No sorry WITNESS ?? REALLY ?? you miss the point once again.
Mick's relationship with Keith now is a business relationship, a relationship Mick would not have with Keith under any other circumstances.
They earn huge sums of money together, this is why Mick has a relationship with Keith. Its irrelevant that Keith earns the same money. That's not the point i am making. Keith seems to see or hopes for more from his relationship with Mick than just a business. This is part of Keith's romantic notion of life in general explained in my post.
I'm sorry but i went to a lot of trouble in my post to explain things about Keith the way i see it and you are trying to turn it into a Mick against Keith post.
Not happy about that. I'M OFF FOR GOOD THIS TIME. That is an insult to a thoughtful post.
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TheBlockbuster
Regarding Keith's sound nowadays, it's just hard on the ears. It's an aural assault everytime he starts playing a solo with that Les Paul Junior. I looked back and noticed he used the Les Paul Junior on SFTD in 1995 aswell, but back then his sound was much more enjoyable, I wish he went back to this smoother sound: video: [youtu.be]