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To me - 1999 was the last tour that Keith played great. No security! Licks, riff, BENDINGS and all of that was still working. 2002-2003...it wasn´t there anymore...and by 2007...help...

That was it, I thought.

But 2012 and 2013 was fantastic, in a way, really surprised me - but in a different way.
Then he started drinking again.

So sad.

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Yes, what a great Bitch version.
Keith is here so active, involved and (still) mobile.

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Are you guys still sustaining this thread...?

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I think Keith just should play more between tours... Just 1 hour a day or even 20 minutes and he could run through some scales and he wouldn't have to play out of tune when the tours starts. I still think he's able to play the songs without mistakes if he would just prepare a bit more.

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I think Keith just should play more between tours... Just 1 hour a day or even 20 minutes and he could run through some scales and he wouldn't have to play out of tune when the tours starts. I still think he's able to play the songs without mistakes if he would just prepare a bit more.

Do you know how much he plays between tours?

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I think Keith just should play more between tours... Just 1 hour a day or even 20 minutes and he could run through some scales and he wouldn't have to play out of tune when the tours starts. I still think he's able to play the songs without mistakes if he would just prepare a bit more.

Do you know how much he plays between tours?

Wasn't there an interview recently where Ronnie said they hardly play between tours?

The clip you posted above is great - a shame Keith just cant play consistently like that anymore.



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I think Keith just should play more between tours... Just 1 hour a day or even 20 minutes and he could run through some scales and he wouldn't have to play out of tune when the tours starts. I still think he's able to play the songs without mistakes if he would just prepare a bit more.

Do you know how much he plays between tours?

Wasn't there an interview recently where Ronnie said they hardly play between tours?

The clip you posted above is great - a shame Keith just cant play consistently like that anymore.

I think there was an interview where Ronnie said he didn't play between two specific tours, not that he didn't play between tours in general.

<a shame Keith just cant play consistently like that anymore>

I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

Of course, but have you tried to play with lights in your face in front of 80.000 people? Playing a blues scale half a note up or down for one or two seconds suddenly becomes very easy

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

Of course, but have you tried to play with lights in your face in front of 80.000 people? Playing a blues scale half a note up or down for one or two seconds suddenly becomes very easy

So right , the plain truth .

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

Of course, but have you tried to play with lights in your face in front of 80.000 people? Playing a blues scale half a note up or down for one or two seconds suddenly becomes very easy

Ahhh...so it's the lights in Keith's face and/or the 80,000 people that are causing his f*ck-ups now ?

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

Of course, but have you tried to play with lights in your face in front of 80.000 people? Playing a blues scale half a note up or down for one or two seconds suddenly becomes very easy

He's had no issue playing in front of massive crowds in the past, it's been a regular thing for decades for the Stones.

Look man, I love the guy as much as you do - but he just isn't a quarter of theg guitar player he used to be. I don't begrudge him for it, the man is 74? years old and has lived a hell of a life with all of the substance abuse for so long, and the head injury and arthritis. I agree with people that say you should get out and see them while you still can, unfortunately I live in NZ and don't have the means to do it. However, they are charging through the nose for these tickets and are really delivering a subpar performance. These guys are in their mid-late 70s and have been earning millions for decades, do they really need the money??



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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

Of course, but have you tried to play with lights in your face in front of 80.000 people? Playing a blues scale half a note up or down for one or two seconds suddenly becomes very easy

Ahhh...so it's the lights in Keith's face and/or the 80,000 people that are causing his f*ck-ups now ?

If he slips to the blues scale one fret off, for only a few seconds, that might be a reason, yes. What he plays within that scale he can't blame on the lights, though

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

I don't know how much he plays between tours, but I doubt he sits down daily with a ''practice schedule'' between tours nowadays. Bad hearing can be a factor, but if you know the key and the scale on the fretboard you should still be able to play in key.

Of course, but have you tried to play with lights in your face in front of 80.000 people? Playing a blues scale half a note up or down for one or two seconds suddenly becomes very easy

He's had no issue playing in front of massive crowds in the past, it's been a regular thing for decades for the Stones.

Look man, I love the guy as much as you do - but he just isn't a quarter of theg guitar player he used to be. I don't begrudge him for it, the man is 74? years old and has lived a hell of a life with all of the substance abuse for so long, and the head injury and arthritis. I agree with people that say you should get out and see them while you still can, unfortunately I live in NZ and don't have the means to do it. However, they are charging through the nose for these tickets and are really delivering a subpar performance. These guys are in their mid-late 70s and have been earning millions for decades, do they really need the money??

Are you serious? Keith has fvcked up stuff on stage in every decade he has been a professional musician!

Even now, when his playing abilities have somewhat diminished, he will only do a few mistakes during a 2 hours +-show.

Since Paris 2007, where Keith was totally absent, I'm scared for each concert... I was feeling so sick after Paris, and London 26/08. I thought it was the end. I felt the same after watching shine a light. No Keith. The fall tour 2006 was the beginning of his decadence. The brain injury is in cause.

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To me - 1999 was the last tour that Keith played great. No security! Licks, riff, BENDINGS and all of that was still working. 2002-2003...it wasn´t there anymore...and by 2007...help...

That was it, I thought.

But 2012 and 2013 was fantastic, in a way, really surprised me - but in a different way.
Then he started drinking again.

So sad.

Like here.





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great show, Raleigh NC !

(...wish i could have gone to that...)

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Since Paris 2007, where Keith was totally absent, I'm scared for each concert... I was feeling so sick after Paris, and London 26/08. I thought it was the end. I felt the same after watching shine a light. No Keith. The fall tour 2006 was the beginning of his decadence. The brain injury is in cause.

He was kind of absent already in 2005, for instance this SFTD solo from 2006 prior to the injury is an example of him phoning it in completely and playing out of key (actually the whole show is a detached mess) :

video: [youtu.be]

Once again many of you are missing a valid point here.

That clip on youtube of Bitch was his 12th gig of that tour. He will be up to that standard by Paris if the rest of the band are playing well and if Keith remains fairly sober throughout the coming shows.

But finally, where is the respect for the public who attends the previous concerts ? Are you really serious ?
Is that a lottery ?
Or you have to be there the good day, and if possible at the end of the tour ?

This is a disrespectful and totally surreal argument really !
The tickets of the first concerts are sold off ?

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Once again many of you are missing a valid point here.

That clip on youtube of Bitch was his 12th gig of that tour. He will be up to that standard by Paris if the rest of the band are playing well and if Keith remains fairly sober throughout the coming shows.

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But finally, where is the respect for the public who attends the previous concerts ? Are you really serious ?
Is that a lottery ?
Or you have to be there the good day, and if possible at the end of the tour ?

This is a disrespectful and totally surreal argument really !
The tickets of the first concerts are sold off ?

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Once again many of you are missing a valid point here.

That clip on youtube of Bitch was his 12th gig of that tour. He will be up to that standard by Paris if the rest of the band are playing well and if Keith remains fairly sober throughout the coming shows.

That's the exact joke I was making...hell, let's give Keith an ENTIRE TOUR to warm up, so that he's "on" for the very last show of the tour.

I'm sure 500,000 people won't mind spending money to watch the Stones go through dry runs onstage while Keith's fingers and brain get back to good working order.

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But finally, where is the respect for the public who attends the previous concerts ? Are you really serious ?
Is that a lottery ?
Or you have to be there the good day, and if possible at the end of the tour ?

This is a disrespectful and totally surreal argument really !
The tickets of the first concerts are sold off ?

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Once again many of you are missing a valid point here.

That clip on youtube of Bitch was his 12th gig of that tour. He will be up to that standard by Paris if the rest of the band are playing well and if Keith remains fairly sober throughout the coming shows.

That's the exact joke I was making...hell, let's give Keith an ENTIRE TOUR to warm up, so that he's "on" for the very last show of the tour.

I'm sure 500,000 people won't mind spending money to watch the Stones go through dry runs onstage while Keith's fingers and brain get back to good working order.

But they aren't doing that at all. The Hamburg-show I attended was great. So what if Keith butched a couple of solos? On the rest of the show his playing was fine. He did good solos as well.

Let's not get carried away here folks, and make up alternative facts. The shows are worth every penny. The Rolling Stones never was a super guitar hero solo-band in the first place.

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To me - 1999 was the last tour that Keith played great. No security! Licks, riff, BENDINGS and all of that was still working. 2002-2003...it wasn´t there anymore...and by 2007...help...

That was it, I thought.

But 2012 and 2013 was fantastic, in a way, really surprised me - but in a different way.
Then he started drinking again.

So sad.

Like here.





[www.youtube.com]

If Keith had performed a great solo that version wouldve been really good given it's 2015. Not a clunker solo but he clearly can't (?) play certain things. My theory: his fingers. But yes, great find! Pleasant surprise.

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But finally, where is the respect for the public who attends the previous concerts ? Are you really serious ?
Is that a lottery ?
Or you have to be there the good day, and if possible at the end of the tour ?

This is a disrespectful and totally surreal argument really !
The tickets of the first concerts are sold off ?

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Once again many of you are missing a valid point here.

That clip on youtube of Bitch was his 12th gig of that tour. He will be up to that standard by Paris if the rest of the band are playing well and if Keith remains fairly sober throughout the coming shows.

That's the exact joke I was making...hell, let's give Keith an ENTIRE TOUR to warm up, so that he's "on" for the very last show of the tour.

I'm sure 500,000 people won't mind spending money to watch the Stones go through dry runs onstage while Keith's fingers and brain get back to good working order.

But they aren't doing that at all. The Hamburg-show I attended was great. So what if Keith butched a couple of solos? On the rest of the show his playing was fine. He did good solos as well.

Let's not get carried away here folks, and make up alternative facts. The shows are worth every penny. The Rolling Stones never was a super guitar hero solo-band in the first place.

Of course I'm exaggerating. I just like how stone4ever constantly says that Keith needs 12 shows to warm up, which is an absurd statement for a professional musician.

Gotcha, Keefriff99

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I don't know this, but I have my ideas. If you don't hear well, you won't play or sing well.

E x a c t l y. You read my mind. I think that's the problem. Like on that Brown Sugar mishap. He probably knows what and how to play that intro but seems lost somehow. Could very well be his hearing.

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Are you guys still sustaining this thread...?

You and me bro.

They seem to add sustain to Keiths guitars like on SFM. He doesnt have to play as much, just hit the right chords on the right beat.

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They seem to add sustain to Keiths guitars like on SFM. He doesnt have to play as much, just hit the right chords on the right beat.

I can tell you that in the park it sounded like he lacked sustain generally, but he might have gotten a little beef from Pierre on SFM. Happy and BS were totally dry. If the tone didn't ring, he had to count bars and wait to play what came next.

He's a purist when it comes to sound, and it surprises me that he avoids distortion when he can.

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But finally, where is the respect for the public who attends the previous concerts ? Are you really serious ?
Is that a lottery ?
Or you have to be there the good day, and if possible at the end of the tour ?

This is a disrespectful and totally surreal argument really !
The tickets of the first concerts are sold off ?

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Once again many of you are missing a valid point here.

That clip on youtube of Bitch was his 12th gig of that tour. He will be up to that standard by Paris if the rest of the band are playing well and if Keith remains fairly sober throughout the coming shows.

That's the exact joke I was making...hell, let's give Keith an ENTIRE TOUR to warm up, so that he's "on" for the very last show of the tour.

I'm sure 500,000 people won't mind spending money to watch the Stones go through dry runs onstage while Keith's fingers and brain get back to good working order.

But they aren't doing that at all. The Hamburg-show I attended was great. So what if Keith butched a couple of solos? On the rest of the show his playing was fine. He did good solos as well.

Let's not get carried away here folks, and make up alternative facts. The shows are worth every penny. The Rolling Stones never was a super guitar hero solo-band in the first place.

Of course I'm exaggerating. I just like how stone4ever constantly says that Keith needs 12 shows to warm up, which is an absurd statement for a professional musician.

But its the truth and its nearly always been that way, on the big tours Keith was always a completely different player by show 12 to 15 and by the end of a 40 date tour he was a different man on stage.

I understand why you are angered by me saying that Keefriff99 because people are paying a lot of money to see someone under rehearsed. But it is what it is.

Funny thing was the Fonda gig, Keith was great there and it was their first show of that tour, so Keith obviously can rehearse and play better during his non drinking mini tours.