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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it. Arthritis or age or hitting his head. It's over people. I love the band as much as anyone but he can't do it. Watching recent shows is excruciating , I am embarrassed for him . It time to retire gracefully. Most songs now he is simplifying his part until it's virtually non existent. Recent gimme shelter intros , last shows beast of burden are clear evidence. Check out midnight rambler from Munich his tentative playing almost makes it collapse , maybe the worst version I have ever heard. And his guitar solos OMG. listen to honky tony women solos from Hamburg or Munich and say I m negative. I am objective. Also the way he strokes the fretboard searching for what to play constantly is a worry. Keith has been one of the greatest rock stars of all time and it has to end one day . That day has come , unfortunately. Ok I have had my say. Now let me have it . I know some people on this forum cant tolerate a less than glowing review, and are sycophantic , well I am not. Dean goodmans review from Munich was spot on , Keith showed up , he was there but barely.
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jumpingjackflash5
It's live music. Keith has always sometimes screwed his solos, especially intros. But he is still the king, his riffs and timing is unique and usually strong.
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corriecas
You are entitled to your opinion.but i think there has been to much unfair hatred and Keef bashing the last few days.true he is not as good as in 1972 but then neither are we.the stones are getting old but so are we.we cant have sex like we did in 1972 can we.stones music is like sex to me.its rock n roll still divine and glorious and rough and it gives us happiness.the stones still give us these things and i am grateful for that.i think people have to show respect to Keef and be happy he is still with the stones snd with us.
Maybe he loses a bit of his touch but most times he rocks like hell.we all lose our touch cause we get old.
I will see the stones 3 more times this year and am happy Keef will rock us.please be fair and not put hate in your hearts.its only rock n roll and the stones music builds on roughness not on perfection.
Jeroen
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Anitapal82
last shows beast of burden are clear evidence.
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DandelionPowderman
They are old! Charlie is playing less (and stiffer), Ronnie's leads are ok, but his rhythm playing is hit and miss, Keith is unpredictable and Mick forgets words/has problems with his timing (because of bad hearing?).
In spite of all the above, they still manage to put on a GREAT show. That's quite an accomplishment.
And I don't wanna hear the «they have to be professional to charge us that kind of money»-argument. It's us who want to go see them, not them who are forcing us to the stadiums. Supply and demand.
All the criticism that comes now, could have been said in 2002. Still, they're out there doing their best, and tens of thousands love it everynight.
So, who's right? A keyboard warrior with supposed superior skills or musical udnerstanding, or the people who went to the shows and enjoyed themselves.
It's music, not an exam.
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Hairball
"Arthritis or age or hitting his head".
A combination of all of the above.
It used to be his gnarled fingers caused worry amongst fans, then hitting his head was a major scare (which he still takes medication for), and now the fact that he's a ripe old 73+.
Put them all together, and it is what it is. I suggest enjoying whatever's left now, because none of the above will reverse themselves.
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DandelionPowderman
They are old! Charlie is playing less (and stiffer), Ronnie's leads are ok, but his rhythm playing is hit and miss, Keith is unpredictable and Mick forgets words/has problems with his timing (because of bad hearing?).
In spite of all the above, they still manage to put on a GREAT show. That's quite an accomplishment.
And I don't wanna hear the «they have to be professional to charge us that kind of money»-argument. It's us who want to go see them, not them who are forcing us to the stadiums. Supply and demand.
All the criticism that comes now, could have been said in 2002. Still, they're out there doing their best, and tens of thousands love it everynight.
So, who's right? A keyboard warrior with supposed superior skills or musical udnerstanding, or the people who went to the shows and enjoyed themselves.
It's music, not an exam.
Sorry, that is a perfect description of a retirement home of old musicians pretending they could do what they did in their peak. But it should be no criterion for the quality of music that the musicians are still alive after leaving the stage.
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Hairball
"Arthritis or age or hitting his head".
A combination of all of the above.
It used to be his gnarled fingers caused worry amongst fans, then hitting his head was a major scare (which he still takes medication for), and now the fact that he's a ripe old 73+.
Put them all together, and it is what it is. I suggest enjoying whatever's left now, because none of the above will reverse themselves.
They don't adjust the ticket price accordingly though - you're still paying top dollar for what is a massively compromised product due to Keith's condition. I genuinely worry for some of the posters in the Munich thread who were claiming some of the playing was his "best ever", and I think this feeds the band's attitude to Keith's performances. Its good enough that he turns up, throws some shapes and gets 30% of the chords right. Its embarrassing, its chipping away at their fantastic legacy bit by bit, and making a few people very rich at our expense.
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corriecas
You are entitled to your opinion.but i think there has been to much unfair hatred and Keef bashing the last few days.true he is not as good as in 1972 but then neither are we.the stones are getting old but so are we.we cant have sex like we did in 1972 can we.stones music is like sex to me.its rock n roll still divine and glorious and rough and it gives us happiness.the stones still give us these things and i am grateful for that.i think people have to show respect to Keef and be happy he is still with the stones snd with us.
Maybe he loses a bit of his touch but most times he rocks like hell.we all lose our touch cause we get old.
I will see the stones 3 more times this year and am happy Keef will rock us.please be fair and not put hate in your hearts.its only rock n roll and the stones music builds on roughness not on perfection.
Jeroen
That's right!
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Rocky Dijon
I am not negative, just objective. Karl Denson can barely play saxophone. He sounds nothing like Bobby. How hard is it to play "Brown Sugar?" This is proof those noises he makes aren't jazz. He is an embarrassment. Please have Matt Clifford lend him his triangle to play. And possibly dress him in a speedo because that would look better when I watch snippets of songs on Youtube.
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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it. Arthritis or age or hitting his head. It's over people. I love the band as much as anyone but he can't do it. Watching recent shows is excruciating , I am embarrassed for him . It time to retire gracefully. Most songs now he is simplifying his part until it's virtually non existent. Recent gimme shelter intros , last shows beast of burden are clear evidence. Check out midnight rambler from Munich his tentative playing almost makes it collapse , maybe the worst version I have ever heard. And his guitar solos OMG. listen to honky tony women solos from Hamburg or Munich and say I m negative. I am objective. Also the way he strokes the fretboard searching for what to play constantly is a worry. Keith has been one of the greatest rock stars of all time and it has to end one day . That day has come , unfortunately. Ok I have had my say. Now let me have it . I know some people on this forum cant tolerate a less than glowing review, and are sycophantic , well I am not. Dean goodmans review from Munich was spot on , Keith showed up , he was there but barely.
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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it. Arthritis or age or hitting his head. It's over people. I love the band as much as anyone but he can't do it. Watching recent shows is excruciating , I am embarrassed for him . It time to retire gracefully. Most songs now he is simplifying his part until it's virtually non existent. Recent gimme shelter intros , last shows beast of burden are clear evidence. Check out midnight rambler from Munich his tentative playing almost makes it collapse , maybe the worst version I have ever heard. And his guitar solos OMG. listen to honky tony women solos from Hamburg or Munich and say I m negative. I am objective. Also the way he strokes the fretboard searching for what to play constantly is a worry. Keith has been one of the greatest rock stars of all time and it has to end one day . That day has come , unfortunately. Ok I have had my say. Now let me have it . I know some people on this forum cant tolerate a less than glowing review, and are sycophantic , well I am not. Dean goodmans review from Munich was spot on , Keith showed up , he was there but barely.
Totaly agree with you. On these board, many guys are now autistic. More Keith will make mistakes, more he will be the King of riff and rock'n'roll, rebel etc, for these guys.
In the past I would have already get tickets in my pocket for the 3 paris shows and perhaps one or two more in other countries but at this day, I always waiting to know what I will do when they'll arrive in Paris.
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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it. Arthritis or age or hitting his head. It's over people. I love the band as much as anyone but he can't do it. Watching recent shows is excruciating , I am embarrassed for him . It time to retire gracefully. Most songs now he is simplifying his part until it's virtually non existent. Recent gimme shelter intros , last shows beast of burden are clear evidence. Check out midnight rambler from Munich his tentative playing almost makes it collapse , maybe the worst version I have ever heard. And his guitar solos OMG. listen to honky tony women solos from Hamburg or Munich and say I m negative. I am objective. Also the way he strokes the fretboard searching for what to play constantly is a worry. Keith has been one of the greatest rock stars of all time and it has to end one day . That day has come , unfortunately. Ok I have had my say. Now let me have it . I know some people on this forum cant tolerate a less than glowing review, and are sycophantic , well I am not. Dean goodmans review from Munich was spot on , Keith showed up , he was there but barely.
Totaly agree with you. On these board, many guys are now autistic. More Keith will make mistakes, more he will be the King of riff and rock'n'roll, rebel etc, for these guys.
In the past I would have already get tickets in my pocket for the 3 paris shows and perhaps one or two more in other countries but at this day, I always waiting to know what I will do when they'll arrive in Paris.
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Anitapal82
Keith can't play guitar anymore, lets face it. Arthritis or age or hitting his head. It's over people. I love the band as much as anyone but he can't do it. Watching recent shows is excruciating , I am embarrassed for him . It time to retire gracefully. Most songs now he is simplifying his part until it's virtually non existent. Recent gimme shelter intros , last shows beast of burden are clear evidence. Check out midnight rambler from Munich his tentative playing almost makes it collapse , maybe the worst version I have ever heard. And his guitar solos OMG. listen to honky tony women solos from Hamburg or Munich and say I m negative. I am objective. Also the way he strokes the fretboard searching for what to play constantly is a worry. Keith has been one of the greatest rock stars of all time and it has to end one day . That day has come , unfortunately. Ok I have had my say. Now let me have it . I know some people on this forum cant tolerate a less than glowing review, and are sycophantic , well I am not. Dean goodmans review from Munich was spot on , Keith showed up , he was there but barely.
Totaly agree with you. On these board, many guys are now autistic. More Keith will make mistakes, more he will be the King of riff and rock'n'roll, rebel etc, for these guys.
In the past I would have already get tickets in my pocket for the 3 paris shows and perhaps one or two more in other countries but at this day, I always waiting to know what I will do when they'll arrive in Paris.
Sadly,so do i..i tought they would never become a band that plays like this,its hard to admit myself that days are over now,i love them touring and always been excited and i was even now,its a bit like loosing a family member.I think if they still wanna play,they should forget masses,and play 80min sets in theatres,few rocking numbers and acoustic set including mostly mid/half tempo songs,not like this,its very sad really.But after reading Dean Goodmans review.Theres a man whos review i can trust.
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powerage78
To deny reality is also a psycholigic reflex.
For some here, losing the Stones is losing a bit - a lot of them as well. And this is unbearable for them. Above their strength.
It means also to consider a future without Stones on stage.
So some here minimize reality.
They also relativize, and they are right, it is only music. And 2 hours of concert during it is possible to have fun, of course !
There were errors in 1969 or 1972 no ? Nothing new... ... ...
As if the overall Stones musical level was the same at this time...
Surrealist.
But this position is understandable. I do not blame anyone.
I do not discuss it anymore, you noticed it at least ?
It's hard to let go something you're so attached to...