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wonderboy
Let's face it -- they have very little relationship, personal or working. They only communicate through intermediaries. There are no accounts or pictures of the together when they are not playing or rehearsing; I doubt they even spend joint time in the studio anymore.
Be very interesting to get Mick on a truth serum and find out what he's thinking.

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LongBeachArena72
My good friend riffhards made me promise not to judge live performances based on the quality of cellphone video and so I won't.

I suspect my feelings about the show would have been reasonably similar to those of Mr Dean Goodman halfway down in the Reports section ... but how can I be sure since I wasn't there.

I do wonder why all the cellphones at the Hamburg show were recording things at about 3/4 speed; that seems a bit odd. Maybe some blocking thing to prevent streaming/broadcasting?

That 3/4 speed is the same speed the songs we love so dearly have on their respective albums.

Maybe you're a bit trigger-happy with that 45 button on your turntable, LongBeach?

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wonderboy
Let's face it -- they have very little relationship, personal or working. They only communicate through intermediaries. There are no accounts or pictures of the together when they are not playing or rehearsing; I doubt they even spend joint time in the studio anymore.
Be very interesting to get Mick on a truth serum and find out what he's thinking.

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stone4ever
>But once he starts shitting himself ... well, then, I might have to re-evaluate.<

Longbeach it's great to have you back, you can't see my face but that sentence made me laugh harder than i have for a long time ( sciatic nerve still playing up lol )

What did you think of the show dude.

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angee
On getting in, did anyone have the early entry package(s), and if so, what time did they open that gate?

What time did they first let most people in?

Yes, curious about that too!

Yes, I am curious as well. Anyone?

I suspect it's hard to get questions noticed because they get lost in all of negative posts by people who didn't like the youtube videos.

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LongBeachArena72
My good friend riffhards made me promise not to judge live performances based on the quality of cellphone video and so I won't.

I suspect my feelings about the show would have been reasonably similar to those of Mr Dean Goodman halfway down in the Reports section ... but how can I be sure since I wasn't there.

I do wonder why all the cellphones at the Hamburg show were recording things at about 3/4 speed; that seems a bit odd. Maybe some blocking thing to prevent streaming/broadcasting?

That 3/4 speed is the same speed the songs we love so dearly have on their respective albums.

Maybe you're a bit trigger-happy with that 45 button on your turntable, LongBeach?

Wait, you're saying they played those songs that slowly in real life ... and on purpose?

Oh, well that is indeed a horse of a different color.

Every musician I've ever talked to has told me it's harder to play slower than it is to play faster. Speed masks things that might otherwise be apparent. If they're playing slower on purpose then it must be for one of two reasons:

1) they can't play any other way, or

2) they've gotten better and are positively inviting comparisons to their younger selves.

If 2) is the case then gold rings on ya fellas; full marks for effort!

Oh, and by the way, I have two children under the age of 4, DP. My life runs at 78 RPM.

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Dean Goodman:

Sparks didn't exactly fly during the first show of the latest Stones tour in Hamburg on Saturday. To be sure, it was a better kickoff than the dire Oslo show three years ago, but the boys delivered a plodding set laden with ballads and slowed-down songs. "Under My Thumb," in particular seemed to be delivered at 17 rpm speed. I was happy to take two of the slower ones, "Play with Fire" and "Dancing with Mr. D," which featured some nifty bass work. On the heels of the brief resurrection of "Silver Train," it seems the Stones are doing their bit to get the word out to the masses that "Goat's Head Soup" is one of their best albums.

There were plenty of innovations that give me hope that the Stones will hit their groove soon, and that this tour will be a special one. That's if someone can remember to revive Keith: He could barely walk, and his playing was rudimentary. It seems they finally sat down after at least a decade on autopilot and gave some thought to retooling the show - or at least rearranging the deck chairs. First up were the four giant video screens that looked like self-supporting picture frames. Very cool. The catwalk has also been extended on either side. Mick was out there a lot, but not the other guys. The lack of goofy videos was also noted with approval, though a loop of some demonstrators showed during the early part of "Gimme Shelter." The relatively simple staging reminded me of the North American No Security tour from 1999, which holds a high place in my memories.

Hamburg has had a dismal summer, and it rained on and off for most of the day. Thankfully, no storms were threatening during the show, though it was getting chilly by the end, about 10 degrees. There must have been a condensation issue on the catwalk, because Mick asked a roadie mid-song to take care of the issue, and a team of four gofers duly rushed out a half-dozen times during the show to wipe it down. None of the Stones seemed affected by the cold, though Charlie preemptively wore a long-sleeved dress shirt.

The 2:20 show kicked off just after 8:30 pm not with an introductory video but with the prerecorded percussion of "Sympathy for the Devil." I could be wrong, but I doubt the Stones have ever begun a show with "Sympathy" - and I guess it's been a good decade or two since they began with anything other than one of the uptempo warhorses. The upside is that we get a crap song over and done with, and we have none of the choreographed moves involving the support musicians and singers. The downside is that it's a long, boring, outdated song. You want to begin the show with a bang, not with a stale dirge. Anyway, I am glad they are trying new stuff with the sequencing. Matt loses much of his raison d'être now that "You Can't Always Get What You Want" has been moved way up the list with no choir. "Gimme Shelter" takes its place in the encore, by which time Sasha's voice is clearly a little tired.

I shouldn't get too excited about the sequencing: Next up were "It's Only Rock'n Roll," "Tumbling Dice" and "Out of Control." Mick noted, in German, that it was the 18th time the Stones have played Hamburg, and he mentioned something about Pink Floyd. Later on, he said (in English) that they arrived by boat today because "we were told by some friends in Liverpool that Hamburg's a good place to get a start in a career." I was worried they would reprise "Come Together."

Two enthusiastic tracks from Blue and Lonesome led into the rarities portion - "Play with Fire," with Keith and Ron sitting down with their acoustics, "Dancing with Mr. D," and "Under My Thumb." "You Can't Always Get What You Want" was somewhere in that mix. Maybe it was my imagination, but "Under My Thumb" seemed quite Motownish, quite "Ain't Too Proud to Beg"-ish. And I could swear Charlie was playing a disco beat just before the breakdown of "Midnight Rambler," which barely hit 11 minutes.

Some things don't change. We got a dire bass solo on "Miss You." Afterwards, Mick asked, "What will Miles say about that?" Who cares? It's supposed to be a rock concert. "Brown Sugar" benefited from minimal backup singing by Sasha, none of the silly affections used by Lisa. Chuck and Matt were as far apart as possible, barely on the same stage. The crowd seemed a little older than usual for a European show, not surprising given the extortionate pricing.. Hopefully the average age will move down as the tour progresses, and I'd really appreciate it if all the smokers could stop following me around.

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Now with Dancing With Mr D in the correct key.

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Hairball
Dean Goodman always writes fair and honest reviews (sometimes brutally honest), along with some lightheartedness, and I have much respect for his writing and opinions. There's no gloss to cover up all the warts, yet he happily gives praise when praise is deserved. After reading through so many reviews of "the best show ever", and then reading others defending every mistake no matter how small or large and obvious it is, it's refreshing to read this:

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Dean Goodman:

Sparks didn't exactly fly during the first show of the latest Stones tour in Hamburg on Saturday. To be sure, it was a better kickoff than the dire Oslo show three years ago, but the boys delivered a plodding set laden with ballads and slowed-down songs. "Under My Thumb," in particular seemed to be delivered at 17 rpm speed. I was happy to take two of the slower ones, "Play with Fire" and "Dancing with Mr. D," which featured some nifty bass work. On the heels of the brief resurrection of "Silver Train," it seems the Stones are doing their bit to get the word out to the masses that "Goat's Head Soup" is one of their best albums.

There were plenty of innovations that give me hope that the Stones will hit their groove soon, and that this tour will be a special one. That's if someone can remember to revive Keith: He could barely walk, and his playing was rudimentary. It seems they finally sat down after at least a decade on autopilot and gave some thought to retooling the show - or at least rearranging the deck chairs. First up were the four giant video screens that looked like self-supporting picture frames. Very cool. The catwalk has also been extended on either side. Mick was out there a lot, but not the other guys. The lack of goofy videos was also noted with approval, though a loop of some demonstrators showed during the early part of "Gimme Shelter." The relatively simple staging reminded me of the North American No Security tour from 1999, which holds a high place in my memories.

Hamburg has had a dismal summer, and it rained on and off for most of the day. Thankfully, no storms were threatening during the show, though it was getting chilly by the end, about 10 degrees. There must have been a condensation issue on the catwalk, because Mick asked a roadie mid-song to take care of the issue, and a team of four gofers duly rushed out a half-dozen times during the show to wipe it down. None of the Stones seemed affected by the cold, though Charlie preemptively wore a long-sleeved dress shirt.

The 2:20 show kicked off just after 8:30 pm not with an introductory video but with the prerecorded percussion of "Sympathy for the Devil." I could be wrong, but I doubt the Stones have ever begun a show with "Sympathy" - and I guess it's been a good decade or two since they began with anything other than one of the uptempo warhorses. The upside is that we get a crap song over and done with, and we have none of the choreographed moves involving the support musicians and singers. The downside is that it's a long, boring, outdated song. You want to begin the show with a bang, not with a stale dirge. Anyway, I am glad they are trying new stuff with the sequencing. Matt loses much of his raison d'être now that "You Can't Always Get What You Want" has been moved way up the list with no choir. "Gimme Shelter" takes its place in the encore, by which time Sasha's voice is clearly a little tired.

I shouldn't get too excited about the sequencing: Next up were "It's Only Rock'n Roll," "Tumbling Dice" and "Out of Control." Mick noted, in German, that it was the 18th time the Stones have played Hamburg, and he mentioned something about Pink Floyd. Later on, he said (in English) that they arrived by boat today because "we were told by some friends in Liverpool that Hamburg's a good place to get a start in a career." I was worried they would reprise "Come Together."

Two enthusiastic tracks from Blue and Lonesome led into the rarities portion - "Play with Fire," with Keith and Ron sitting down with their acoustics, "Dancing with Mr. D," and "Under My Thumb." "You Can't Always Get What You Want" was somewhere in that mix. Maybe it was my imagination, but "Under My Thumb" seemed quite Motownish, quite "Ain't Too Proud to Beg"-ish. And I could swear Charlie was playing a disco beat just before the breakdown of "Midnight Rambler," which barely hit 11 minutes.

Some things don't change. We got a dire bass solo on "Miss You." Afterwards, Mick asked, "What will Miles say about that?" Who cares? It's supposed to be a rock concert. "Brown Sugar" benefited from minimal backup singing by Sasha, none of the silly affections used by Lisa. Chuck and Matt were as far apart as possible, barely on the same stage. The crowd seemed a little older than usual for a European show, not surprising given the extortionate pricing.. Hopefully the average age will move down as the tour progresses, and I'd really appreciate it if all the smokers could stop following me around.

Thanks Dean for telling it like it is.

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GasLightStreet
Under My Thumb sounds better than the BANG tour performance.

[www.youtube.com]

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wonderboy
Let's face it -- they have very little relationship, personal or working. They only communicate through intermediaries. There are no accounts or pictures of the together when they are not playing or rehearsing; I doubt they even spend joint time in the studio anymore.
Be very interesting to get Mick on a truth serum and find out what he's thinking.

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bobo

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Hairball
Dean Goodman always writes fair and honest reviews (sometimes brutally honest), along with some lightheartedness, and I have much respect for his writing and opinions. There's no gloss to cover up all the warts, yet he happily gives praise when praise is deserved. After reading through so many reviews of "the best show ever", and then reading others defending every mistake no matter how small or large and obvious it is, it's refreshing to read this:

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Dean Goodman:

Sparks didn't exactly fly during the first show of the latest Stones tour in Hamburg on Saturday. To be sure, it was a better kickoff than the dire Oslo show three years ago, but the boys delivered a plodding set laden with ballads and slowed-down songs. "Under My Thumb," in particular seemed to be delivered at 17 rpm speed. I was happy to take two of the slower ones, "Play with Fire" and "Dancing with Mr. D," which featured some nifty bass work. On the heels of the brief resurrection of "Silver Train," it seems the Stones are doing their bit to get the word out to the masses that "Goat's Head Soup" is one of their best albums.

There were plenty of innovations that give me hope that the Stones will hit their groove soon, and that this tour will be a special one. That's if someone can remember to revive Keith: He could barely walk, and his playing was rudimentary. It seems they finally sat down after at least a decade on autopilot and gave some thought to retooling the show - or at least rearranging the deck chairs. First up were the four giant video screens that looked like self-supporting picture frames. Very cool. The catwalk has also been extended on either side. Mick was out there a lot, but not the other guys. The lack of goofy videos was also noted with approval, though a loop of some demonstrators showed during the early part of "Gimme Shelter." The relatively simple staging reminded me of the North American No Security tour from 1999, which holds a high place in my memories.

Hamburg has had a dismal summer, and it rained on and off for most of the day. Thankfully, no storms were threatening during the show, though it was getting chilly by the end, about 10 degrees. There must have been a condensation issue on the catwalk, because Mick asked a roadie mid-song to take care of the issue, and a team of four gofers duly rushed out a half-dozen times during the show to wipe it down. None of the Stones seemed affected by the cold, though Charlie preemptively wore a long-sleeved dress shirt.

The 2:20 show kicked off just after 8:30 pm not with an introductory video but with the prerecorded percussion of "Sympathy for the Devil." I could be wrong, but I doubt the Stones have ever begun a show with "Sympathy" - and I guess it's been a good decade or two since they began with anything other than one of the uptempo warhorses. The upside is that we get a crap song over and done with, and we have none of the choreographed moves involving the support musicians and singers. The downside is that it's a long, boring, outdated song. You want to begin the show with a bang, not with a stale dirge. Anyway, I am glad they are trying new stuff with the sequencing. Matt loses much of his raison d'être now that "You Can't Always Get What You Want" has been moved way up the list with no choir. "Gimme Shelter" takes its place in the encore, by which time Sasha's voice is clearly a little tired.

I shouldn't get too excited about the sequencing: Next up were "It's Only Rock'n Roll," "Tumbling Dice" and "Out of Control." Mick noted, in German, that it was the 18th time the Stones have played Hamburg, and he mentioned something about Pink Floyd. Later on, he said (in English) that they arrived by boat today because "we were told by some friends in Liverpool that Hamburg's a good place to get a start in a career." I was worried they would reprise "Come Together."

Two enthusiastic tracks from Blue and Lonesome led into the rarities portion - "Play with Fire," with Keith and Ron sitting down with their acoustics, "Dancing with Mr. D," and "Under My Thumb." "You Can't Always Get What You Want" was somewhere in that mix. Maybe it was my imagination, but "Under My Thumb" seemed quite Motownish, quite "Ain't Too Proud to Beg"-ish. And I could swear Charlie was playing a disco beat just before the breakdown of "Midnight Rambler," which barely hit 11 minutes.

Some things don't change. We got a dire bass solo on "Miss You." Afterwards, Mick asked, "What will Miles say about that?" Who cares? It's supposed to be a rock concert. "Brown Sugar" benefited from minimal backup singing by Sasha, none of the silly affections used by Lisa. Chuck and Matt were as far apart as possible, barely on the same stage. The crowd seemed a little older than usual for a European show, not surprising given the extortionate pricing.. Hopefully the average age will move down as the tour progresses, and I'd really appreciate it if all the smokers could stop following me around.

Thanks Dean for telling it like it is.

I have also read his reviews through the years, and I honestly don't understand why he bother to go to these shows. So much negativety. But that's his opinion and that's right for him. Lot's of shows that I don't agree with him on and that doesn't mean I am wrong, does it?

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stone4ever
Getting back to what we were talking about earlier with fans noticing that there was no interaction between Mick and Keith in Hamburg.

There was interaction.

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Sorry, but I didn't see any interaction and I was at the show too. I'm happy to be proven wrong of course as I don't want to spread any lies. But it seemed to me that Keith was ignoring Mick and not the other way around. Something seemed to fret him. He was smiling and moving around much more when I saw them in Vegas last year. I'm just a bit concerned, but let's see what happens tomorrow.

I was in the no filter pit and thus close enough to confirm that there was NO interaction between Jagger and Richards (beside the music, of course). Let's face the fact: Their relationship is more buisiness-like than friendship-like

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There's the nice "Country Honk" sequence in that movie about the South American tour and for Exhibitionism, I doubt anyone could have forced them to do that if they didn't want to. There's been *some* interaction on stage since 2012 too, mostly when the 2014 tour resumed though, when it mattered...

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stone4ever
Getting back to what we were talking about earlier with fans noticing that there was no interaction between Mick and Keith in Hamburg.

There was interaction.

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MonkeyMan2000
Sorry, but I didn't see any interaction and I was at the show too. I'm happy to be proven wrong of course as I don't want to spread any lies. But it seemed to me that Keith was ignoring Mick and not the other way around. Something seemed to fret him. He was smiling and moving around much more when I saw them in Vegas last year. I'm just a bit concerned, but let's see what happens tomorrow.

I was in the no filter pit and thus close enough to confirm that there was NO interaction between Jagger and Richards (beside the music, of course). Let's face the fact: Their relationship is more buisiness-like than friendship-like

This is confusing, DandelionPowderman, when exactly did you see "interaction" between Mick and Keith ?

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GasLightStreet
Under My Thumb sounds better than the BANG tour performance.

[www.youtube.com]

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stone4ever
I think they run hot and cold with each other.
A bit like me and my wife, good times bad times.

Hey it doesn't matter how they get on when they share a baby like this.

SMU the best version ever, and boy watch Ronnie go with his solo. Wow.

haha Mick was so mesmerized with Ronnie's running antics he forgets his cue to come in. I love this. Just had half his left lung removed and he comes back like this. Who are these guys. What are they on. I want some.

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We want to enjoy this last tour and are faithful.

Can´t wait for Amsterdam, Arnheim, and Paris x 3.

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georgelicks
I've heard (from boots) bad shows from 1969 (Hyde Park), 1976, 1981 and so on so bad playing and trainwrecks from the Stones are there for almost 50 years now, so we can't complain about bad playing in 2017, what's new under the sun?

When they were cool or at their peak, trainwrecks were cool isn't it?
Now not?

Come on, they are the Rolling Stones, not Pink Floyd or Yes, if I want perfection I go to see other bands, the Stones are what they are, go or stay home.