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Because he has to fill out the sound.
This is a good point, and kind of depressing. A straight piano, in a rock band, doesn't add that much. You need some kind of synth pad.
The big 4 piece bands now usually have a couple of guys behind the amp line playing along, filling out the sound. Other big acts use the type of effects that carry the band. Or an act will write the type of material that can/ and should be delivered in a minimalistic band.
The Stones have two guitarists, sometimes three. And neither one of them seem to do much playing anymore.
But didn't Chuck play keyboards/electric piano in 1982 as well? Stu played the real piano. No plinky plonk-sounds back then, and he filled in just the same.
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Keith is of zero importance to Mick other than as a living reminder of where Mick comes from.
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Keith is of zero importance to Mick other than as a living reminder of where Mick comes from.
Do you blame Jagger for that ?
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powerage78
Because he has to fill out the sound.
This is a good point, and kind of depressing. A straight piano, in a rock band, doesn't add that much. You need some kind of synth pad.
The big 4 piece bands now usually have a couple of guys behind the amp line playing along, filling out the sound. Other big acts use the type of effects that carry the band. Or an act will write the type of material that can/ and should be delivered in a minimalistic band.
The Stones have two guitarists, sometimes three. And neither one of them seem to do much playing anymore.
But didn't Chuck play keyboards/electric piano in 1982 as well? Stu played the real piano. No plinky plonk-sounds back then, and he filled in just the same.
He plinked on Under my thumb back in 82. Sounded stiff and plastic. I think his style is very "white" (at least when he plays with the Stones) and very different from those before him. Mick wanted a straight 80s all american (nothing wrong in that) bearded dependeble easy going employee and partner after collaborating with Keith,Cooder,Taylor,Nicky,Billy and Ronnie. He works with Matt (studio) and Chuck (live). Keith is of zero importance to Mick other than as a living reminder of where Mick comes from.
Don't quite agree re. Cooder. I'd put him on a short list of important collaborators to the Stones. IMO his influence goes deep; but left different im[print on Jagger and Keith. Maybe that is the first time the twins' paths separate.Quote
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Because he has to fill out the sound.
This is a good point, and kind of depressing. A straight piano, in a rock band, doesn't add that much. You need some kind of synth pad.
The big 4 piece bands now usually have a couple of guys behind the amp line playing along, filling out the sound. Other big acts use the type of effects that carry the band. Or an act will write the type of material that can/ and should be delivered in a minimalistic band.
The Stones have two guitarists, sometimes three. And neither one of them seem to do much playing anymore.
But didn't Chuck play keyboards/electric piano in 1982 as well? Stu played the real piano. No plinky plonk-sounds back then, and he filled in just the same.
He plinked on Under my thumb back in 82. Sounded stiff and plastic. I think his style is very "white" (at least when he plays with the Stones) and very different from those before him. Mick wanted a straight 80s all american (nothing wrong in that) bearded dependeble easy going employee and partner after collaborating with Keith,Cooder,Taylor,Nicky,Billy and Ronnie. He works with Matt (studio) and Chuck (live). Keith is of zero importance to Mick other than as a living reminder of where Mick comes from.
If memory serves he played exactly what Mac played on UMT on the 81 US tour?
What do you mean with "collaborated with Cooder"? There are dozens of more sidemen he collaborated closer with. He doesn't belong on that list, imo, with three songs and that subpar jam/rehearsal-record.
Generally, I agree about Chuck's playing style, though - also with the Allmans.
Mick works with lots of musicians, and that has been very important for him to be able to develop into becoming a natural musician.
But in Chuck's case it was Stu who recommended him to Mick.
Thank you DP (such a nice way for me to start my day ) Who is the master of the Steinway? Ian Mac McLagen
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Stu on Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out is just fantastic.
Inspired, so boogie and rock'n roll. Basic. Pure. Incandescent.
And at this time the band a bulldozer (SFM) and pure magic (unmatched Love in vain version).
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Maybe Keith will release those tapes he made of Cooder before storming out.
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Stu on Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out is just fantastic.
Inspired, so boogie and rock'n roll. Basic. Pure. Incandescent.
And at this time the band a bulldozer (SFM) and pure magic (unmatched Love in vain version).
He's excellent, but way too low in the mix, imo.
I don't know where SFM comes into this, though? For great piano playing on SFM, check out the original or the live versions with Nicky Hopkins..
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Maybe Keith will release those tapes he made of Cooder before storming out.
ABKCO did that: Metamorphosis.
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TheGreekThank you DP (such a nice way for me to start my day ) Who is the master of the Steinway? Ian Mac McLagen
Of course he had chops; he played with ALL the greats. All his life. And I am saying this in a friendly way towards him, but he was not the best keyboard man. Very wooden.
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I got to say this about Mac - he was in one of my favorite bands; collaborated with all my top guys; seemed like he was an incredible nice guy, just a great all round guy, but he was a terrible keyboard player, LOL
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It is the roll in "rock'n'roll" You're talking about
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I got to say this about Mac - he was in one of my favorite bands; collaborated with all my top guys; seemed like he was an incredible nice guy, just a great all round guy, but he was a terrible keyboard player, LOL
Mac was a terrible keyboard player?
To each his own, as they say, but here's an answer to that.
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I got to say this about Mac - he was in one of my favorite bands; collaborated with all my top guys; seemed like he was an incredible nice guy, just a great all round guy, but he was a terrible keyboard player, LOL
Mac was a terrible keyboard player?
To each his own, as they say, but here's an answer to that.
[www.youtube.com]
Yes like most here, I met Mac too; drinking, talk music, he's the nicest guy in the world; loved his book and all his solo albums. Matter of fact: I think if I could assemble an imaginary studio band today, I might even want to include Mac.
But he still messed 'Ooh La La' up.
Takes all the fun out of it, when you have to explain yourself; but there are mutual friends still, and I want to be clear.
And I also have respect for tomk, and don't want him to think I am a Rush fan.
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I got to say this about Mac - he was in one of my favorite bands; collaborated with all my top guys; seemed like he was an incredible nice guy, just a great all round guy, but he was a terrible keyboard player, LOL
Mac was a terrible keyboard player?
To each his own, as they say, but here's an answer to that.
[www.youtube.com]
Yes like most here, I met Mac too; drinking, talk music, he's the nicest guy in the world; loved his book and all his solo albums. Matter of fact: I think if I could assemble an imaginary studio band today, I might even want to include Mac.
But he still messed 'Ooh La La' up.
Takes all the fun out of it, when you have to explain yourself; but there are mutual friends still, and I want to be clear.
And I also have respect for tomk, and don't want him to think I am a Rush fan.
Charlie also messed up I'm Free, but I wouldn't wanna replace him with anyone He should have got the job because of his heritage
I know what you mean, Tony, I'm just pulling your leg. Mac was perfect in the Faces, with their wonky playing style. He also jelled in nicely in the Stones 1977-1981.