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Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
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Jesus H. Christ. I just heard Walking The Dog, Little by Little, and Ain't That Loving You Baby. What a rhythm section. Now I see what the Stones had the Beatles never could pull off, danger.
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Yes Greek there's nothing wrong with it - he's a hired hand.
At the same time, there's nothing exceptional about it either.
The point would be we can't rag on his musical chops because he isn't allowed to let it loose .Check out any of his work with Miles Davis and tell me he can't play circles around anybody in the music industry and lay down some killer funky grooves like he invented the 4 string bass .Quote
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Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
Then what's the point? 'Never want to be like Papa, workin' for the man every night and day....'
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TheGreekThe point would be we can't rag on his musical chops because he isn't allowed to let it loose .Check out any of his work with Miles Davis and tell me he can't play circles around anybody in the music industry and lay down some killer funky grooves like he invented the 4 string bass .Quote
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TheGreek
Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
Then what's the point? 'Never want to be like Papa, workin' for the man every night and day....'
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TheGreekThe point would be we can't rag on his musical chops because he isn't allowed to let it loose .Check out any of his work with Miles Davis and tell me he can't play circles around anybody in the music industry and lay down some killer funky grooves like he invented the 4 string bass .Quote
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Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
Then what's the point? 'Never want to be like Papa, workin' for the man every night and day....'
Despite being an employee or "hired hand", I doubt that Darryl is instructed note for note what he has to play. My take is simply that it's not "his music" in the way what for example Miles Davis' music meant to him. He's technically perfect, and that's probably exactly what is required from him at this point (a solid, reliable backbone - just like Chuck), but he lacks Bill's imagination to do something unique within the relatively simple chord structures of Rock 'n Roll.
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TheGreekThe point would be we can't rag on his musical chops because he isn't allowed to let it loose .Check out any of his work with Miles Davis and tell me he can't play circles around anybody in the music industry and lay down some killer funky grooves like he invented the 4 string bass .Quote
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TheGreek
Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
Then what's the point? 'Never want to be like Papa, workin' for the man every night and day....'
Despite being an employee or "hired hand", I doubt that Darryl is instructed note for note what he has to play. My take is simply that it's not "his music" in the way what for example Miles Davis' music meant to him. He's technically perfect, and that's probably exactly what is required from him at this point (a solid, reliable backbone - just like Chuck), but he lacks Bill's imagination to do something unique within the relatively simple chord structures of Rock 'n Roll.
He might have been told what not to play, though.
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TheGreekThe point would be we can't rag on his musical chops because he isn't allowed to let it loose .Check out any of his work with Miles Davis and tell me he can't play circles around anybody in the music industry and lay down some killer funky grooves like he invented the 4 string bass .Quote
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TheGreek
Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
Then what's the point? 'Never want to be like Papa, workin' for the man every night and day....'
Despite being an employee or "hired hand", I doubt that Darryl is instructed note for note what he has to play. My take is simply that it's not "his music" in the way what for example Miles Davis' music meant to him. He's technically perfect, and that's probably exactly what is required from him at this point (a solid, reliable backbone - just like Chuck), but he lacks Bill's imagination to do something unique within the relatively simple chord structures of Rock 'n Roll.
He might have been told what not to play, though.
You mean in a "Daryl, this ain't no jazz or jazz-rock fusion combo, so better keep it simple!" - "Ok, boss!" - way?
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TheGreekThe point would be we can't rag on his musical chops because he isn't allowed to let it loose .Check out any of his work with Miles Davis and tell me he can't play circles around anybody in the music industry and lay down some killer funky grooves like he invented the 4 string bass .Quote
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TheGreek
Darryl Jones has the musical chops , it's just that he isn't allowed to showboat or showoff or anything like that at all .He is strictly a company man following orders .Same as me or the next person following your supervisors direction in order to collect that pay check .Nothing wrong with that at all .
Then what's the point? 'Never want to be like Papa, workin' for the man every night and day....'
Despite being an employee or "hired hand", I doubt that Darryl is instructed note for note what he has to play. My take is simply that it's not "his music" in the way what for example Miles Davis' music meant to him. He's technically perfect, and that's probably exactly what is required from him at this point (a solid, reliable backbone - just like Chuck), but he lacks Bill's imagination to do something unique within the relatively simple chord structures of Rock 'n Roll.
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
Well said.
Another difference between Bill and Darryl before joining THE ROLLING STONES:
Bill with The Cliftons: No video found.
Darryl with Peter Grabiel 1988: [youtu.be]
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
Well said.
Another difference between Bill and Darryl before joining THE ROLLING STONES:
Bill with The Cliftons: No video found.
Darryl with Peter Grabiel 1988: [youtu.be]
So even then Darryl couldn't put the one note where it belonged. In other words you hear where the bass should hit a not that pins the sound. Darryl doesn't hit that note. Now, if it added something to the sound, bravo. It doesn't. It sounds like the bass is incomplete.
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
And for the first 30 years of the band, Bill held it together so the two guitarists could play on top of it, while doing the push-pull.
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
And for the first 30 years of the band, Bill held it together so the two guitarists could play on top of it, while doing the push-pull.
Not the way I would put it. Keith played the main rhythm and Bill was part of the push-pull with Charlie (Bill anticipating the beat and Charlie playing behind it).
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Darryl doesn’t play from his jazz roots in the Stones. His job since the nineties is to hold things down so Keith and Ronnie can play licks on top. Before this, Keith was the one who held it together with Charlie. Thus the Stones became a more consistent live act while losing to some extent the push-pull we loved.
And for the first 30 years of the band, Bill held it together so the two guitarists could play on top of it, while doing the push-pull.
Not the way I would put it. Keith played the main rhythm and Bill was part of the push-pull with Charlie (Bill anticipating the beat and Charlie playing behind it).
Watch those DVDs from the 70s and 80s. There's a lot of times Bill held the whole thing together when Ronnie and Keith got messy.