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Perhaps already discussed here (or elsewhere) but just saw a tweet from Mick plugging an "Official Podcast" coming soon.. for this?
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Have been deliberately avoiding the discussions on this as I will be receiving copy on X-mas and prefer to listen first, but a podcast sounds interesting.. Not very familiar, but to me it would imply some "live discussion" (??)

Probably not though, as I really have never listened to a podcast
Likely just the discs being played I suppose (?)

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MisterDDDD
Perhaps already discussed here (or elsewhere) but just saw a tweet from Mick plugging an "Official Podcast" coming soon.. for this?
[twitter.com]

Have been deliberately avoiding the discussions on this as I will be receiving copy on X-mas and prefer to listen first, but a podcast sounds interesting.. Not very familiar, but to me it would imply some "live discussion" (??)

Probably not though, as I really have never listened to a podcast
Likely just the discs being played I suppose (?)

I think it’s a Spotify thing, which I am not a member. Believe ‘they’ are playing the entire release, and Spotify people can log on and make comments together. The Stones part prerecorded.

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

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So I go to take a hike,
thinking I should listen to
‘Come On’ release
there are songs I don’t know
I don’t feel like hearing young happy hormones I think to myself
weary of caring for kids and the tax man keeps coming on...
First tune that comes up is
“Crackin’ Up”
and here is Mick Jagger singing the housewife creed:


You're always hollerin' 'bout where I've been
You're always screamin' 'bout the money I spend
What's wrong with you, oh yeah
You're crackin' up

I caught you, woman, a long time ago
Keep your hand out of my pocket keep your foot out my door
What's wrong with you, oh yeah
You're crackin' up

I used to do your cookin', your laundry too
Now what more for a woman could a man like me do
I feel, oh yeah
You're bugging me

Oh, crackin' up

Oh yeah
Crackin' up, crackin' up again

It made me laugh. Listened to it 3-4 times, said forget it I’m turning back for coffee and to look up this song.
THEN, I find it’s on ‘Love You Live’ 1977?
Oh I am crackin’ up. In the head. Off for coffee I don’t need.

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

Yes, where is it - the quality control. In a perfect world, every artist or band member receives a test pressing, nowadays a CD-R or whatever else, of the content after everything (mixing, mastering etc.) is done, in short words: the final product before it's going to any pressing plants for mass production. That is last opportunity to closely listen and detect any mistakes that have escaped the attention of all the people in the production process so far.

A serious artist (= interested in the product that's going to be released under his name) will do just that: Listen, check, give his ok - or not, and orders any mistakes to be corrected. Then check again. Common practice - nothing unusual.

A serious artist would no relegate this task to any employees or whoever. I mean, who else than a band member who was actually involved in the orginal recording (as long as the actual artist is still alive) should decide if the little thingy in The Last Time happened intentionally or is simply a production error?

For a BBC recordings release "how it should be done" from roughly the same time frame I strongly recommend Repertoires 2015 double CD "The Yardbirds - Live At The BBC". 2 CD's worth of excellent & natural-sounding material, compiled chronologically, short interviews included, great and informative booklet, great period images and what else.

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

Yes, where is it - the quality control. In a perfect world, every artist or band member receives a test pressing, nowadays a CD-R or whatever else, of the content after everything (mixing, mastering etc.) is done, in short words: the final product before it's going to any pressing plants for mass production. That is last opportunity to closely listen and detect any mistakes that have escaped the attention of all the people in the production process so far.

A serious artist (= interested in the product that's going to be released under his name) will do just that: Listen, check, give his ok - or not, and orders any mistakes to be corrected. Then check again. Common practice - nothing unusual.

A serious artist would no relegate this task to any employees or whoever. I mean, who else than a band member who was actually involved in the orginal recording (as long as the actual artist is still alive) should decide if the little thingy in The Last Time happened intentionally or is simply a production error?

For a BBC recordings release "how it should be done" from roughly the same time frame I strongly recommend Repertoires 2015 double CD "The Yardbirds - Live At The BBC". 2 CD's worth of excellent & natural-sounding material, compiled chronologically, short interviews included, great and informative booklet, great period images and what else.

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retired_dog

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boogaloojef

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retired_dog

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corriecas

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

Yes, where is it - the quality control. In a perfect world, every artist or band member receives a test pressing, nowadays a CD-R or whatever else, of the content after everything (mixing, mastering etc.) is done, in short words: the final product before it's going to any pressing plants for mass production. That is last opportunity to closely listen and detect any mistakes that have escaped the attention of all the people in the production process so far.

A serious artist (= interested in the product that's going to be released under his name) will do just that: Listen, check, give his ok - or not, and orders any mistakes to be corrected. Then check again. Common practice - nothing unusual.

A serious artist would no relegate this task to any employees or whoever. I mean, who else than a band member who was actually involved in the orginal recording (as long as the actual artist is still alive) should decide if the little thingy in The Last Time happened intentionally or is simply a production error?

For a BBC recordings release "how it should be done" from roughly the same time frame I strongly recommend Repertoires 2015 double CD "The Yardbirds - Live At The BBC". 2 CD's worth of excellent & natural-sounding material, compiled chronologically, short interviews included, great and informative booklet, great period images and what else.

However, even the Repertoire Yardbirds released set was reissued after they found better sources for some of the tracks and 3 additional songs not included on the first release.

They have also released the Pretty Things BBC sessions twice and since the last 4 cd release, even more additional performances were located that were not included on the last release but at least there weren't song glitches or dropouts.

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

Yes, where is it - the quality control. In a perfect world, every artist or band member receives a test pressing, nowadays a CD-R or whatever else, of the content after everything (mixing, mastering etc.) is done, in short words: the final product before it's going to any pressing plants for mass production. That is last opportunity to closely listen and detect any mistakes that have escaped the attention of all the people in the production process so far.

A serious artist (= interested in the product that's going to be released under his name) will do just that: Listen, check, give his ok - or not, and orders any mistakes to be corrected. Then check again. Common practice - nothing unusual.

A serious artist would no relegate this task to any employees or whoever. I mean, who else than a band member who was actually involved in the orginal recording (as long as the actual artist is still alive) should decide if the little thingy in The Last Time happened intentionally or is simply a production error?

For a BBC recordings release "how it should be done" from roughly the same time frame I strongly recommend Repertoires 2015 double CD "The Yardbirds - Live At The BBC". 2 CD's worth of excellent & natural-sounding material, compiled chronologically, short interviews included, great and informative booklet, great period images and what else.

However, even the Repertoire Yardbirds released set was reissued after they found better sources for some of the tracks and 3 additional songs not included on the first release.

They have also released the Pretty Things BBC sessions twice and since the last 4 cd release, even more additional performances were located that were not included on the last release but at least there weren't song glitches or dropouts.

Of course this happens, but "doing your best to come up with the best possible product" is always related to a certain time frame. You put product out and in the time after its release you are contacted by a fan telling you that he has discovered a box of tape reels in the estate of his grandpa who worked for the BBC in the 60's - tape reels of some of your BBC sessions that were meant to be erased, but taken by your grandpa to a safe place at home, original tapes of sessions that that were either thought to be lost entirely or only available as poor off air amateur recordings - there you have it. Better quality recordings that were not avilable when the original release went into production.

The Stones On Air story is a bit different imo. No thorough research, lack of attention to detail, lack of quality control.

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Anybody got the vinyl edition with the yellow cover?
Look closely at Bill's head.
Quality control? What quality control?

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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...

No, nothing is really "necessary".

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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...

Okay ... so don't buy it.

I don't need such idiotic comments, please.

maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen

Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.

It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always on the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.

Where is the quality control these days? Supposedly there is an error on the new Yardbirds 68 release as well as the screw up with the Status Quo Live At The N.E.C. 2 cd deluxe edition. Doesn't anyone check these?

Yes, where is it - the quality control. In a perfect world, every artist or band member receives a test pressing, nowadays a CD-R or whatever else, of the content after everything (mixing, mastering etc.) is done, in short words: the final product before it's going to any pressing plants for mass production. That is last opportunity to closely listen and detect any mistakes that have escaped the attention of all the people in the production process so far.

A serious artist (= interested in the product that's going to be released under his name) will do just that: Listen, check, give his ok - or not, and orders any mistakes to be corrected. Then check again. Common practice - nothing unusual.

A serious artist would no relegate this task to any employees or whoever. I mean, who else than a band member who was actually involved in the orginal recording (as long as the actual artist is still alive) should decide if the little thingy in The Last Time happened intentionally or is simply a production error?

For a BBC recordings release "how it should be done" from roughly the same time frame I strongly recommend Repertoires 2015 double CD "The Yardbirds - Live At The BBC". 2 CD's worth of excellent & natural-sounding material, compiled chronologically, short interviews included, great and informative booklet, great period images and what else.

However, even the Repertoire Yardbirds released set was reissued after they found better sources for some of the tracks and 3 additional songs not included on the first release.

They have also released the Pretty Things BBC sessions twice and since the last 4 cd release, even more additional performances were located that were not included on the last release but at least there weren't song glitches or dropouts.

Of course this happens, but "doing your best to come up with the best possible product" is always related to a certain time frame. You put product out and in the time after its release you are contacted by a fan telling you that he has discovered a box of tape reels in the estate of his grandpa who worked for the BBC in the 60's - tape reels of some of your BBC sessions that were meant to be erased, but taken by your grandpa to a safe place at home, original tapes of sessions that that were either thought to be lost entirely or only available as poor off air amateur recordings - there you have it. Better quality recordings that were not avilable when the original release went into production.

The Stones On Air story is a bit different imo. No thorough research, lack of attention to detail, lack of quality control.

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Alexander has just pointed out to me that Walking The Dog appears to be from the April 1964 Saturday Club rather than the February 1964 Saturday Club.
Good spot there. The Feb version has the lead guitar line an octave higher which is a useful identifier.
Anyone else able to confirm or deny please ? I think he's right.

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Alexander has just pointed out to me that Walking The Dog appears to be from the April 1964 Saturday Club rather than the February 1964 Saturday Club.
Good spot there. The Feb version has the lead guitar line an octave higher which is a useful identifier.
Anyone else able to confirm or deny please ? I think he's right.

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Alexander has just pointed out to me that Walking The Dog appears to be from the April 1964 Saturday Club rather than the February 1964 Saturday Club.
Good spot there. The Feb version has the lead guitar line an octave higher which is a useful identifier.
Anyone else able to confirm or deny please ? I think he's right.

Yes, it's the April version.

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Yeah, one might wonder if they care anymore. Although the story about Mick refusing Clearmountain's «clean» version of Sticky Fingers Live is fascinating.

Mick clearly wanted something extra out of that show, at least sound-wise.

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If only it would read "back" instead of "front" it could mean Bill was back in the band again...