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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
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Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
No, nothing is really "necessary".Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
Okay ... so don't buy it.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
No, nothing is really "necessary".Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
Okay ... so don't buy it.
I don't need such idiotic comments, please.
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alexander paul
Is there any complete set of BBC Radio recordings?
We have the familiar bootlegs, as Beat Beat Beat at the Beeb and Teague Raws Baby See Sessions.
But it seems a few extra tracks can be found on the bootlegs Another Time Another Place disc 5: Not fade away of The Joe Loss Show, April 10 1964. And also It's all over now (in the past sometimes called a rehearsal) on The Lost Treasure, of Top Gear of July 23. The On Air track Ain't that loving you baby seems to be also from this show. (Cf. Nico Zentgraf.)
Are there any more radio tracks to be found elsewhere?
Alex.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
No, nothing is really "necessary".Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
Okay ... so don't buy it.
I don't need such idiotic comments, please.
maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen
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Is there any complete set of BBC Radio recordings?
We have the familiar bootlegs, as Beat Beat Beat at the Beeb and Teague Raws Baby See Sessions.
But it seems a few extra tracks can be found on the bootlegs Another Time Another Place disc 5: Not fade away of The Joe Loss Show, April 10 1964. And also It's all over now (in the past sometimes called a rehearsal) on The Lost Treasure, of Top Gear of July 23. The On Air track Ain't that loving you baby seems to be also from this show. (Cf. Nico Zentgraf.)
Are there any more radio tracks to be found elsewhere?
Alex.
I like to add another problem. The wellknown bootlegs of BBC-recordings contain two live tracks Roll over Beethoven and Beautiful Delilah supposedly from a tour and broadcasted March 8 1964 in Saturday Club. But March 8 was not a Saturday, but a Sunday. These recordings (even as bad as they are) don't sound as recordings in a radio-studio. Where can come from?
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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
No, nothing is really "necessary".Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
Okay ... so don't buy it.
I don't need such idiotic comments, please.
maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen
Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.
It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always for the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
No, nothing is really "necessary".Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
Okay ... so don't buy it.
I don't need such idiotic comments, please.
maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen
Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.
It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always for the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.
Ofcourse he is entitled to his opinion. But...someone else is entitled to react to that. Thats what happened. i just mentioned what had happened. Monsoon can say what he wants. Its not that negative comments cant be said, but its in what manner.
Jeroen
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Monsoon Ragoon
Is the official album really necessary? ...
No, nothing is really "necessary".Quote
Monsoon Ragoon
... What I read somewhere far doesn't sound very promising...
Okay ... so don't buy it.
I don't need such idiotic comments, please.
maybe you need to adjust your negative comments Monsoon..
Jeroen
Why should he do so? It's his opinion, and as such it is every bit as valid as positive "happy" comments from others. The fact that some people can't live with the fact that there are different opinions is their problem, not his.
It all depends from where you come from. I for one love the music on On Air, always did, and I'ven listened to stuff like Cops And Robbers and Roll Over Beethoven quite regularly, not just "the last time 25 years ago" like some. For some of the lesser sounding BBC tracks there was always hope on my side that better quality versions may exist somewhere, in the BBC's or band's offficial or band members private vaults, so I have always dreamt about some serious sound upgrades once the BBC material would get an official release. On Air finally destroyed my hopes, so yes, in a way, I'm a bit disappointed that for this official release, they had to rely heavily on the circulating bootlegs. And not always for the best ones, as I have mentioned earlier in this thread with the Beautiful Delilah example where the tape glitch at the very start could have been easily repaired. If the bootleggers could do it on later releases, there's no reason the Stones could not do it for an official release. And there's more: The (tape? mastering?) defect at 2:46 in The Last Time for example. Just minor details? OK, then I'll spoil the fun no further.
Ofcourse he is entitled to his opinion. But...someone else is entitled to react to that. Thats what happened. i just mentioned what had happened. Monsoon can say what he wants. Its not that negative comments cant be said, but its in what manner.
Jeroen
LeonidP tries to make a fool of me and I think that’s not fair. Yes, I am a very critical fan, that's what fans should be IMO. We have enough people here who defend any shit the Stones are doing, releasing or not doing. Who declare every show to the best show of all times (with 90% the same songs in every concert, most of them pre 1981!). Also most official releases are not perfect IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if the DAC release of the BBC tapes is more usefull than the official version.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Yes, I am a very critical fan, that's what fans should be IMO. We have enough people here who defend any shit the Stones are doing, releasing or not doing. Who declare every show to the best show of all times (with 90% the same songs in every concert, most of them pre 1981!).
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Monsoon Ragoon
And you're right, the cover is horrible.
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Monsoon Ragoon
Things like "sounds different but not necessarily better". The sound should be indeed better than on the best underground release, because the official release also lacks completeness and a track order that makes sense historically.
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Is there any complete set of BBC Radio recordings?
We have the familiar bootlegs, as Beat Beat Beat at the Beeb and Teague Raws Baby See Sessions.
But it seems a few extra tracks can be found on the bootlegs Another Time Another Place disc 5: Not fade away of The Joe Loss Show, April 10 1964. And also It's all over now (in the past sometimes called a rehearsal) on The Lost Treasure, of Top Gear of July 23. The On Air track Ain't that loving you baby seems to be also from this show. (Cf. Nico Zentgraf.)
Are there any more radio tracks to be found elsewhere?
Alex.
I like to add another problem. The wellknown bootlegs of BBC-recordings contain two live tracks Roll over Beethoven and Beautiful Delilah supposedly from a tour and broadcasted March 8 1964 in Saturday Club. But March 8 was not a Saturday, but a Sunday. These recordings (even as bad as they are) don't sound as recordings in a radio-studio. Where can come from?
I always thought that the live audience noises were overdubbed and that these two were no "real" 1964 UK tour recordings, but of course I could be wrong. It's not easy to tell from the very bad sounding recordings.
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ash
Roll Over Beethoven is from 24 January 1964 Go Man Go (BBC radio) and Beautiful Delilah is from the April 27th 1964 Top Beat (BBC radio).
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Hairball
I said a few years ago the Stones future lies in it's past with these archive releases (B&L blues covers aside which is sort of living in the past anyways), and for me this is what it's become. Don't have the dying urge to see them live anymore for a variety of reasons, and still look forward to the supposed new album (if it ever happens), but they have so many buried treasures that are even more obscure than all of this BBC release, they could release things from this point forward for decades and I'd be satisfied.
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Hairball
While the Stones version is my favorite cover of Walking the Dog, Aerosmith did a decent version as well, but the original Stax version from Rufus Thomas is the real deal imo.
As for any risque' metaphor....
I did find this:
Dogs in Metaphor
walk the dog. (sex) 1. Have sex. 2. Masturbate.
"In his hit record of the same name Rufus Thomas promises us that “If you don't know how to do it, I can show you how to walk the dog.” His 1965 performance on American Band Stand is punctuated by whistles and yips. For all the innuendo, this enduring classic (covered by The Who, Aerosmith, and The Rolling Stones among others) provides no specifics".
So...I guess it's all in the mind of the beholder as to whether there's any risque' innuendo or not.
Here's Rufus with a live '65 performance - I think this is from Ready Steady Go?
RUFUS THOMAS - Walking the Dog (1965)
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From the same show - Rufus Thomas - Jump Back
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Just a smidgen of Cathy McGowan, the RSG presenter at the end....I was 15 years old....