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Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: July 8, 2017 13:44

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LongBeachArena72
I would love for "Gotta Get a Grip" to be just a song ... and not some stupid run-up to an "album" that will be hyped mercilessly and disappear from public consciousness as quickly as it appeared.

I would love for Mick, or Keith, or the band, to just release music as its finished, get product out there, concentrate on making good songs, and hoping something gets traction just because it's so damn good.

They'll never do this, of course, since they're so wedded to the last-century paradigm of the album as an 'artistic statement' that is released every so often to an adoring fandom.

These guys are still at their ages and by many accounts constantly making music. Don't get so fracking hung up on being THE ROLLING STONES and having to release ONE LAST GREAT MAGNUM OPUS and just write, polish, record, and release some bitchen songs!

True true true... I hope also that Bob Dylan stops his old-fashionable habit of releasing these damn albums every damn year. In our hectic times, no one has any longer nerves or stamina to concentrate on such an 'artistic statement' that asks to listen some dozen songs one after other... and that old bugger dares to release even some bloody 'triplicate' - that sounds almost like a middle-finger statement towards contemporary world... Well, I guess 'old habits die hard' but fortunately very soon we don't need to worry any longer anything what these thick-headed old guard acts are doing since the mother nature will take care of that as he take care of that another old guard album guy Bowie...winking smiley

But that said, it could be Jagger actually is as contemporary-thinking as you wish and just releases these two songs, and that's it... Him actually thinking that 'jeez, these two songs are so inspired that I just want them out, fvck the Stones and fvck the albums and fvck anything my adoring fans expect from me, I'll just want them out here and now...' grinning smiley

Cheers, LBA!smileys with beer

- Doxa, an old fart

P.S. I think that the CD format actually killed the old concept of an album as a 'artistic statement'; it offered new possibilities which took the form of 'quantity over quality', and the old notions of how to divide the sides from the other, how the flow of the songs go, having two opening and closing songs, and thereby each song having more profile and a determined place in the whole, and how the sides making two sub-statement within the over-all statement, just gradually - actually very quickly - disappeared and were just substituted by a rather random series of songs to picked up and played independently from each other (add there the new technological possibility to pick up or skip a singular track by just pushing a button - and people used that because there simply were so much weak filler material there). Our singular song-based Spotify paradigm is a logical consequence of that. I think BLUE & LONESOME is the first Stones album since the 80's that actually has a some kind old-fashionable 'artistic statement' like in the past in it.



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Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: LongBeachArena72 ()
Date: July 8, 2017 16:03

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Doxa
Quote
LongBeachArena72
I would love for "Gotta Get a Grip" to be just a song ... and not some stupid run-up to an "album" that will be hyped mercilessly and disappear from public consciousness as quickly as it appeared.

I would love for Mick, or Keith, or the band, to just release music as its finished, get product out there, concentrate on making good songs, and hoping something gets traction just because it's so damn good.

They'll never do this, of course, since they're so wedded to the last-century paradigm of the album as an 'artistic statement' that is released every so often to an adoring fandom.

These guys are still at their ages and by many accounts constantly making music. Don't get so fracking hung up on being THE ROLLING STONES and having to release ONE LAST GREAT MAGNUM OPUS and just write, polish, record, and release some bitchen songs!

True true true... I hope also that Bob Dylan stops his old-fashionable habit of releasing these damn albums every damn year. In our hectic times, no one has any longer nerves or stamina to concentrate on such an 'artistic statement' that asks to listen some dozen songs one after other... and that old bugger dares to release even some bloody 'triplicate' - that sounds almost like a middle-finger statement towards contemporary world... Well, I guess 'old habits die hard' but fortunately very soon we don't need to worry any longer anything what these thick-headed old guard acts are doing since the mother nature will take care of that as he take care of that another old guard album guy Bowie...winking smiley

But that said, it could be Jagger actually is as contemporary-thinking as you wish and just releases these two songs, and that's it... Him actually thinking that 'jeez, these two songs are so inspired that I just want them out, fvck the Stones and fvck the albums and fvck anything my adoring fans expect from me, I'll just want them out here and now...' grinning smiley

Cheers, LBA!smileys with beer

- Doxa, an old fart

P.S. I think that the CD format actually killed the old concept of an album as a 'artistic statement'; it offered new possibilities which took the form of 'quantity over quality', and the old notions of how to divide the sides from the other, how the flow of the songs go, having two opening and closing songs, and thereby each song having more profile and a determined place in the whole, and how the sides making two sub-statement within the over-all statement, just gradually - actually very quickly - disappeared and were just substituted by a rather random series of songs to picked up and played independently from each other (add there the new technological possibility to pick up or skip a singular track by just pushing a button - and people used that because there simply were so much weak filler material there). Our singular song-based Spotify paradigm is a logical consequence of that. I think BLUE & LONESOME is the first Stones album since the 80's that actually has a some kind old-fashionable 'artistic statement' like in the past in it.

Hey, Doxa. Yeah, it's tough to get those old dogs to learn new tricks. And perhaps they shouldn't bother; it'd be too much like grand-dad trying to wear skinny jeans; they should stay in their comfort zone!

I agree about the nefarious influence that the cd has had on pop music; for many reasons, at least for me, it's always been a tough format to truly love. Its length alone has proven to be a death-knell for acts for whom cramming seventy minutes of material onto a disc is just too hard to resist ... who can write what we used to think of as a 'double-album' every year? Look back in the history of rock: double albums were rare birds ... and then the cd made every album a double album!

But I'm optimistic about the future. I think very shortly were going to be living in a song-based physical-product-less world. Musicians will build careers by staying in front of their fans on the road and every few weeks or months with a crackling good new song. It'll be a more DIY environment, and hopefully the concept of record labels will begin to disappear as all marketing and distribution happens online.

'Course, I'm also the kind of dreamer who believes that millennials are going to pull down the antiquated two-party political system in America, so take my words with enormous grains of salt ...

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:07

[www.kroese-online.nl]-

Jagger, Mick
Gotta Getta Grip / England Lost -2tr-
onze prijs:€ 7.99

formaat:cd maxi
releasedatum:21 juli 2017
levertijd: PRE-ORDER



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-08 19:07 by kowalski.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: ouroux58 ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:18

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LongBeachArena72

Hey, Doxa. Yeah, it's tough to get those old dogs to learn new tricks. And perhaps they shouldn't bother; it'd be too much like grand-dad trying to wear skinny jeans; they should stay in their comfort zone!

I agree about the nefarious influence that the cd has had on pop music; for many reasons, at least for me, it's always been a tough format to truly love. Its length alone has proven to be a death-knell for acts for whom cramming seventy minutes of material onto a disc is just too hard to resist ... who can write what we used to think of as a 'double-album' every year? Look back in the history of rock: double albums were rare birds ... and then the cd made every album a double album!
[/quote]

You're right, CD = double lp but in the sixties and seventies, they recorded an lp a year Now they make a CD every 4, 5 or 10 years. A little bit short compare to the golden years.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:22

A grip, like a handful of something? ;-)
July 21 smoking smiley

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:25

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LongBeachArena72
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lem motlow
Hopefully all of micks attempts to stay current will end up on his solo record and the stones stuff will be something more timeless.his politics on bigger bang had a definite shelf life.nobody remembers what abu grab was and I can't remember the songs name that referred to it.still amazed the person that co-wrote gimme shelter could've written neocon.we don't need you singing the headlines to us mick but if you insist at least don't destroy the next rolling stones album with it,its forgettable and boring.

Jesus Christ I hope no one ever forgets that sh*tshow. Americans might have collective amnesia but I'm sure there are one or two places in the Arab world that will never forget Abu Ghraib.

Being an American I can confirm American's largely do have collective amnesia.

Blame it on the instant gratification of social media and 24X7 news trying to fill time.

Everything is "what have you done for me lately".

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: lem motlow ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:29

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LongBeachArena72
Quote
lem motlow
Hopefully all of micks attempts to stay current will end up on his solo record and the stones stuff will be something more timeless.his politics on bigger bang had a definite shelf life.nobody remembers what abu grab was and I can't remember the songs name that referred to it.still amazed the person that co-wrote gimme shelter could've written neocon.we don't need you singing the headlines to us mick but if you insist at least don't destroy the next rolling stones album with it,its forgettable and boring.

Jesus Christ I hope no one ever forgets that sh*tshow. Americans might have collective amnesia but I'm sure there are one or two places in the Arab world that will never forget Abu Ghraib.
. The Isis fighters burning the Jordanian pilot alive in a cage,lining up 21 of their enemy and beheading them en masse,the babies hit with chemical weapons and the 470000 dead from the Syrian war probably overshadowed S&M night at the prison camp 14 years ago just a bit.11 US soldiers were charged in military court and the victims sued the military contractor.however no one was ever charged criminally for the incident at abu graib or the bigger bang album.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:47

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Rocky Dijon
Interesting that he would cut a single in the midst of working on a Stones album. This does explain the solo studio time and remarks about "I'm working on new songs now" earlier this year.

thumbs up

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:48

Well there are atrocities on both sides of most wars, whether they're officially recognized as wars or not. Is one side more barbaric overall? Sure, but it's politically incorrect to suggest so.

What does this have to do with the Stones? Not much since most people never heard of "Dangerous Beauty" and of those who did, most didn't know it referenced Lynndie England. Outside of Rush Limbaugh, I don't know if many were bothered by "Sweet Neocon" in the States. It wasn't played on the radio. It wasn't played in concert. There wasn't a music video. Did SuperHeavy's "I Can't Take It No More" cause a stir in 2011? No. Did Mick's "Tea Party Blues" set tongues wagging when he performed it on Saturday Night Live in 2012? No. Storms in a teacup, all of them.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:52

Video shoot, song titles and now a single release date.

Maybe georgelicks can add some insight on what this is - a one-off, single ahead of a full album, or...?

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: July 8, 2017 19:56

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gotdablouse
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Rocky Dijon
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gotdablouse
Where do these titles come from, can't see them on the caps?

"Life At the Top" was mentioned on social media by the model but is gone now. Don't know what the title refers to (song/album/film) so I'm speculating only. The other title was my best attempt at reading the clapper board in the photo which lists Mick as the artist.

Close enough !

So it seems Mick pulled off another "secret project" like in 2001 when GGME appeared out of nowhere, will there be an album too, I certainly hope so! Contrast with the run in to Xeyed that was announced for years before it finally became available. Keith must be fuming but they tried Mick's tracks 12/2015 and it didn't work out so it was certainly the right decision.

Keith must be fuming? He's probably more relieved than anything else. These new Mick tunes must have been part of the Stones' "hit the wall" sessions,
and Keith is probably relieved he doesn't have to have his name attached to these songs.

And you say Crosseyed Heart was announced for years before it was finally released?All I recall is after an official announcement in mid 2015, a few tunes were leaked out during the month or two prior to release.
I don't even remember rumours of a Keith solo albumbefore all of that, or even that he was in the studio, but then again I don't really follow every step they make like some do..

Anyhow, hope this works out for Mick (and us), and maybe/hopefully there will be some interesting tunes on the album? He did say "I write some tunes that sound like the Stones, and some that don't"...I'm all for hearing something new and refreshing from Mick...I think...based on his other solo efforts that's a tough call, but won't judge until I hear them. For all we know, he has a pure and sincere album under his belt that is true to his name...in the same way Crosseyed Heart was for Keith.

New Mick album. New Stones album. New tour. What more can a Stones fan want?
For me, another Keith solo album would be nice, but will happily settle for all of the above. thumbs up


edit: Not sure if this is going to be whole new Mick solo album, or just a solo single with Get a Grip/England Lost...?

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-07-08 20:00 by Hairball.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Christiaan ()
Date: July 8, 2017 20:17

On facebook/Stonesforum.nl it is mentioned as a Brexit-single



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Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Christiaan ()
Date: July 8, 2017 20:17

Or anti-Brexit-single??

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Christiaan ()
Date: July 8, 2017 20:26

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DandelionPowderman
"England Lost", about Brexit?

And mentioned above as Brexit.....spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London?
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: July 8, 2017 21:40

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Hairball
And you say Crosseyed Heart was announced for years before it was finally released?All I recall is after an official announcement in mid 2015, a few tunes were leaked out during the month or two prior to release.
I don't even remember rumours of a Keith solo albumbefore all of that, or even that he was in the studio, but then again I don't really follow every step they make like some do..

I'm pretty sure the "Keith camp" was quick to point out that he had recorded a killer version of "One More Shot" pretty quickly after it got released by the Stones...

So yes, like I wrote, it's probably a good thing that these tracks (they have to be part of "Mick's 40 demos") that Keith didn't like don't get released by the Stones, but it's still bound to be viewed as as "distraction" by Keith if/when he gets interviewed before the fall tour and he'll likely have nothing good to say about it. You read it here first ;-)

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Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London?
Posted by: KRiffhard ()
Date: July 8, 2017 21:45

Quote
gotdablouse
Quote
Hairball
And you say Crosseyed Heart was announced for years before it was finally released?All I recall is after an official announcement in mid 2015, a few tunes were leaked out during the month or two prior to release.
I don't even remember rumours of a Keith solo albumbefore all of that, or even that he was in the studio, but then again I don't really follow every step they make like some do..

I'm pretty sure the "Keith camp" was quick to point out that he had recorded a killer version of "One More Shot" pretty quickly after it got released by the Stones...

So yes, like I wrote, it's probably a good thing that these tracks (they have to be part of "Mick's 40 demos") that Keith didn't like don't get released by the Stones, but it's still bound to be viewed as as "distraction" by Keith if/when he gets interviewed before the fall tour and he'll likely have nothing good to say about it. You read it here first ;-)

"...and he (Steve Jordan) verifies that there’s a Keith solo version of “One More Shot.”

“We cut it, and it’s great,” Jordan says. “Again, that sounds weird. What I mean to say is we really had a great time doing it. Keith was looking for a new song to bring in [to the Stones], so he asked me if I minded if he brought it in, and I said, ‘No.’ So he brought it in and they liked it, and they ended up recording it. We gave them our version to listen to. We have a version, it’s done. It has a different flavor, an additional vocal, Meegan [Voss, Jordan’s wife] singing this counterpoint thing. It’s a little different, Keith is playing all of the guitars and the bass. That’s all I can say, I can’t say much more.”
[kearth101.cbslocal.com]

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Date: July 8, 2017 22:10

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kowalski
[www.kroese-online.nl]-

Jagger, Mick
Gotta Getta Grip / England Lost -2tr-
onze prijs:€ 7.99

formaat:cd maxi
releasedatum:21 juli 2017
levertijd: PRE-ORDER

It was €23 2 days ago! For å 12" vinyl, that is..

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: bye bye johnny ()
Date: July 8, 2017 22:20

€ 10.99 for the 12" on that same site.

[www.kroese-online.nl]

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London?
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: July 9, 2017 00:07

Quote
KRiffhard
Quote
gotdablouse
Quote
Hairball
And you say Crosseyed Heart was announced for years before it was finally released?All I recall is after an official announcement in mid 2015, a few tunes were leaked out during the month or two prior to release.
I don't even remember rumours of a Keith solo albumbefore all of that, or even that he was in the studio, but then again I don't really follow every step they make like some do..

I'm pretty sure the "Keith camp" was quick to point out that he had recorded a killer version of "One More Shot" pretty quickly after it got released by the Stones...

So yes, like I wrote, it's probably a good thing that these tracks (they have to be part of "Mick's 40 demos") that Keith didn't like don't get released by the Stones, but it's still bound to be viewed as as "distraction" by Keith if/when he gets interviewed before the fall tour and he'll likely have nothing good to say about it. You read it here first ;-)

"...and he (Steve Jordan) verifies that there’s a Keith solo version of “One More Shot.”

“We cut it, and it’s great,” Jordan says. “Again, that sounds weird. What I mean to say is we really had a great time doing it. Keith was looking for a new song to bring in [to the Stones], so he asked me if I minded if he brought it in, and I said, ‘No.’ So he brought it in and they liked it, and they ended up recording it. We gave them our version to listen to. We have a version, it’s done. It has a different flavor, an additional vocal, Meegan [Voss, Jordan’s wife] singing this counterpoint thing. It’s a little different, Keith is playing all of the guitars and the bass. That’s all I can say, I can’t say much more.”
[kearth101.cbslocal.com]

I remember that quote and that was dated late 2013 - a mere 16 months prior to the release of Crosseyed Heart. But Jordan is referring to one song vs. the entire solo album that gotdablouse said "was announced for years before it finally became available". Jordan does say “We’re working on it now ( a possible solo album), it’s really pretty amazing,”...again nothing etched in stone yet, and only 16 months prior to release....not quite "years".

Anyhow, would still love to hear Keith's version, and maybe Keith will cobble together a quick single (or solo album) of his own as a "counter attack" to Mick's 'Get a Grip' hogging the spotlight lol. cool smiley

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London?
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: July 9, 2017 00:51

Yeah and then we got stories that he was waiting for the right time in the Stones schedule to release it, etc...Anyway it's water under the bridge and let's hope he shows as much fair play towards the single/album as Mick did, at least by not trashing it publicly like his previous solo efforts!

I wonder if Bill is going to claim Mick nicked his "Monkey Grip" title ;-) Oh and is there any connection with "Extreme Western Grip" the "song" everyone was excited about when it was listed for Four Flicks with that other one whose title escapes me.

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Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: July 9, 2017 01:39

"Well, Well, Well" was the other gem. "Extreme Western Grip" was a title that suggested a political number and instead it was not quite as impressive as "Stoned."

For what it's worth, Keith didn't trash SuperHeavy. He said he hadn't heard it and wished Mick luck. He was complimentary about Damian Marley.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: July 9, 2017 02:01

Maybe 'England Lost' IS a song that can be played in the England football stadiums. It will be a legacy. Is that morbid? So is politics.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: 35love ()
Date: July 9, 2017 02:34

Hey, I thought this was cool, right after US election a brief word from
Mick, Ronnie, Charlie, Keith
during their Exibitionism sit down talks
[youtu.be]

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Rockman ()
Date: July 9, 2017 03:01

Let the boy work ... It's in him and it's gotta come out ....



ROCKMAN

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: RipThisBone ()
Date: July 9, 2017 04:20

Quote
35love
Hey, I thought this was cool, right after US election a brief word from
Mick, Ronnie, Charlie, Keith
during their Exibitionism sit down talks
[youtu.be]

thumbs up

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: triceratops ()
Date: July 9, 2017 04:33

Maybe ol Mick will pop up in a Bollywood music video. Ever see one of those? I was eating lunch at a low class Indian buffet restaurant and they were blaring at me from three LED screens. Very energetic and with a cast of thousands.

btw The lunch was delicious despite the surroundings.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: Harlem Shuffler ()
Date: July 9, 2017 11:51

You'd think after Goddess in the Doorway he'd have learnt his lesson.

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Date: July 9, 2017 12:23

model for the video looks nice

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: July 9, 2017 16:10

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keefriffhard4life
model for the video looks nice

should be a killer single in that case!

Re: "Mick Jagger" video shoot in London - "Gotta Get a Grip"?
Posted by: hopkins ()
Date: July 9, 2017 16:20

Looks like she used magic marker for her eyebrows.



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