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The vocals of the official version are totally 2009?! At least the rough basic version (discovered soon after the EOMS deluxe edition together with instrumental versions of original album tracks) of the 2nd second take has only rudimentary lyrics. Both backing tracks are awesome, although totally different.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-02 21:33 by Monsoon Ragoon.
EOM deluxe version is 100% 1971 millésime to my ears.
Not the version I posted.
But then, why?
I mean, you could then post an outtake version of Jumpin' Jack Flash and call it a bootleg track talk. I thought it was only unreleased songs?
It's an old southern black American word meaning "messing around" or "joking" in the sense Jagger is using it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-03 17:15 by TravelinMan.
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I came across this version today, which seems to be a different take of the officially released version. Richards has a rhythm guitar part with a slide intro. I think he also plays an acoustic guitar on the left. Taylor doesn't come in until the chorus.
It seems that maybe the 2010 version has an overdubbed rhythm guitar (in addition to harmonica)? It sounds out of place compared to these.
According to what I can see, that one appears to be Take 2 which is the official version that was edited, possibly in 1971, but certainly or most likely as well, in 2009, with the only new recording on it was a new vocal and harmonica.
I loved Fancy Man when it came out but the 2010 I Ain't Signifying is possibly the best blues they ever did.
No. I said possibly. There's no way to really know without any documentation, at this point, where as,for example, the edit in Love Is Strong we know happened in post-production. There are obvious track edits on a lot of songs, and most are seamless; there is the occasional hack job, like Everything Is Turning To Gold. But there's other editing, which involves the individual tracks. I'm going to guess that very little was done in 1971.
When you hear these kind mixes of songs, they tend to be working mixes: some have everything in them, some have certain things in them, some have things missing on purpose. So what is on the official version might be just not in the mix of that Hopkins version.
I don't know. I mean, you read something like this...
I got the boxes out. Universal said, We've got a fan helping us who's a walking encyclopedia of the Stones. Can he send you bootlegs from the period? He sent me loads of things, but when I listened to them I kept thinking, Wait a minute, this isn't from Exile, this is much later. I was listening to them with Keith, and Keith's going, Mick Taylor sounds fantastic on this one. And I said, Yeah! Doesn't he? And I looked at the list. And it wasn't Mick Taylor, it was B. B. King, and we only recorded it five years ago.
- Mick Jagger, 2009
... and it makes you wonder. As in, apparently the fan had other ideas or didn't know diddly shit about what was going on.
Mick is still lost. To this day he's lost about what the EXILE time was. Because if you go by what came out on the deluxe album, and read what he said, The first recording was Loving Cup in 1969, and then the last sessions for Exile were done in 1972. So that was my time period. then you know that's not true.
All of that aside, Mick said None of them had vocals... so there you go. And he means, obviously, finished, because the Keith vox tracks are obviously different.
Charlie sums up the whole ball of shit, though: My only criticism of the new ones is that the voice sounds like it was done yesterday. That's inevitable. But Mick likes them. He was rather pleased when he gave them to me. He must've got into this.
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Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 2, 2017 11:03
Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying):
[www.youtube.com]
Recording date(s):
1971-07-10 Nellcote, Villefranche-sur-mer, France
- I'm Not Signifying I (MJ/KR) -early version without brass
- I'm Not Signifying II (MJ/KR) -early version, with less vocals and horns
- Instrumental (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
Available on the following bootleg(s):
[602] GET A LINE ON YOU 03:52 A Vinyl Gang Product
[1076] Exile On Main Street Outtakes 03:45 Singer's Original Double Disk
[1134] I GAVE YOU DIAMONDS, YOU GAVE ME DISEASE 03:47 Sister Morphine Prod.
[1148] Unsearchable Stars 03:47 The Swingin' Pig
[1159] TROPICAL DISEASE 03:48 Midnight Beat
[1179] The ABCKO Masters 03:32 Planet Records
[1422] UMATIC MASTERS VOL.1 03:49 DASUYE NHK
[1455] THROUGH THE VAULTS DARKLY 03:39 The Godfatherecords
[1647] MONA 03:24 ALBINO RECORDS
[1693] EMOTIONAL TATTOO 03:26 No Label
[1829] SHOUTING IN A BUCKET 03:29 SHAVED DISC
[1871] TIME TRIP VOL. 3 03:52 SCORPIO
[1889] EXILE ON MAIN ST. BLUES 03:41 Singer's Original Double Disk
[1889] EXILE ON MAIN ST. BLUES 03:41 Singer's Original Double Disk
[1957] Beggars Breakfast 03:47 Invasion Unlimited
[1993] Going Into Exile 03:48 Country Trash Rec.
[2001] TRIDENT DEMOS 04:06 DOG n CAT RECORDS
[2277] Hot Stuff volume two - in studio (1962-1989) 03:51 GREAT DANE RECORDS
[2579] GET A LINE ON YOU (EXILE OUTTAKES) 03:50 FOR FANS ONLY
[2809] From Hillside To Woodstock 03:45 AVITOM
[3452] Sticky Beggars Bleed In Exile 03:49 ACID PROJECT
Thanks to dbboots.com and NZentgraf for the info
What are your thoughts on this track?
[www.youtube.com]
Recording date(s):
1971-07-10 Nellcote, Villefranche-sur-mer, France
- I'm Not Signifying I (MJ/KR) -early version without brass
- I'm Not Signifying II (MJ/KR) -early version, with less vocals and horns
- Instrumental (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
Available on the following bootleg(s):
[602] GET A LINE ON YOU 03:52 A Vinyl Gang Product
[1076] Exile On Main Street Outtakes 03:45 Singer's Original Double Disk
[1134] I GAVE YOU DIAMONDS, YOU GAVE ME DISEASE 03:47 Sister Morphine Prod.
[1148] Unsearchable Stars 03:47 The Swingin' Pig
[1159] TROPICAL DISEASE 03:48 Midnight Beat
[1179] The ABCKO Masters 03:32 Planet Records
[1422] UMATIC MASTERS VOL.1 03:49 DASUYE NHK
[1455] THROUGH THE VAULTS DARKLY 03:39 The Godfatherecords
[1647] MONA 03:24 ALBINO RECORDS
[1693] EMOTIONAL TATTOO 03:26 No Label
[1829] SHOUTING IN A BUCKET 03:29 SHAVED DISC
[1871] TIME TRIP VOL. 3 03:52 SCORPIO
[1889] EXILE ON MAIN ST. BLUES 03:41 Singer's Original Double Disk
[1889] EXILE ON MAIN ST. BLUES 03:41 Singer's Original Double Disk
[1957] Beggars Breakfast 03:47 Invasion Unlimited
[1993] Going Into Exile 03:48 Country Trash Rec.
[2001] TRIDENT DEMOS 04:06 DOG n CAT RECORDS
[2277] Hot Stuff volume two - in studio (1962-1989) 03:51 GREAT DANE RECORDS
[2579] GET A LINE ON YOU (EXILE OUTTAKES) 03:50 FOR FANS ONLY
[2809] From Hillside To Woodstock 03:45 AVITOM
[3452] Sticky Beggars Bleed In Exile 03:49 ACID PROJECT
Thanks to dbboots.com and NZentgraf for the info
What are your thoughts on this track?
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
deardoctor
()
Date: June 2, 2017 12:48
great tune!
i love the overdubbed version from EOM deluxe. The dirty horns and honky tonk piano. And jagger seems to be not overdubbed - big sports!!!!
i love the overdubbed version from EOM deluxe. The dirty horns and honky tonk piano. And jagger seems to be not overdubbed - big sports!!!!
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: June 2, 2017 13:41
Quote
deardoctor
great tune!
i love the overdubbed version from EOM deluxe. The dirty horns and honky tonk piano. And jagger seems to be not overdubbed - big sports!!!!
The vocals of the official version are totally 2009?! At least the rough basic version (discovered soon after the EOMS deluxe edition together with instrumental versions of original album tracks) of the 2nd second take has only rudimentary lyrics. Both backing tracks are awesome, although totally different.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-02 21:33 by Monsoon Ragoon.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
mitch
()
Date: June 2, 2017 14:20
Quote
deardoctor
great tune!
i love the overdubbed version from EOM deluxe. The dirty horns and honky tonk piano. And jagger seems to be not overdubbed - big sports!!!!
EOM deluxe version is 100% 1971 millésime to my ears.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: June 2, 2017 14:35
New 2009 vocals and harmonica says nzentgraf.de
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
LeonidP
()
Date: June 2, 2017 18:35
All versions are great! It didn't need the horns, but they are so great and in-your-face, that I love it that way too. Top notch vocals by Mick to boot!
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: June 2, 2017 21:48
The old bootleg (no piano) has Taylor on lead with what sounds like a combo of slide and regular playing, while the deluxe version has him playing slide exclusively correct?
Who plays rhythm on the old boot, Jagger? Sure doesn't sound like Richards.
And is the version from the Hopkins tape the one used for the reissue?
Also, I feel like the old bootleg version w/out Hopkins could have dated previous to France and the Exile sessions. Maybe from the same sessions as Sway and Stop Breaking Down.
Thanks!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-02 21:51 by TravelinMan.
Who plays rhythm on the old boot, Jagger? Sure doesn't sound like Richards.
And is the version from the Hopkins tape the one used for the reissue?
Also, I feel like the old bootleg version w/out Hopkins could have dated previous to France and the Exile sessions. Maybe from the same sessions as Sway and Stop Breaking Down.
Thanks!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-02 21:51 by TravelinMan.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Blueranger
()
Date: June 2, 2017 22:30
Hardly a bootleg track anymore. Officially released in 2010.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: June 3, 2017 00:11
I'm Not Signifying is the official title. Ain't Gonna Lie is the old, wrong bootlegger-title.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-04 13:03 by Monsoon Ragoon.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-04 13:03 by Monsoon Ragoon.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 3, 2017 00:47
Quote
Blueranger
Hardly a bootleg track anymore. Officially released in 2010.
Not the version I posted.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Blueranger
()
Date: June 3, 2017 03:29
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Blueranger
Hardly a bootleg track anymore. Officially released in 2010.
Not the version I posted.
But then, why?
I mean, you could then post an outtake version of Jumpin' Jack Flash and call it a bootleg track talk. I thought it was only unreleased songs?
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 3, 2017 10:27
Because the original track talk never covered this differently arranged track.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: June 3, 2017 11:13
Very good initiative Dandie! Thank you.
We need an iorr-official guide to the ancient and not so ancient gold mines.
We need an iorr-official guide to the ancient and not so ancient gold mines.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: June 3, 2017 11:15
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Because the original track talk never covered this differently arranged track.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 3, 2017 16:43
I for one am glad for the ancient and not so ancient goldmines posted I tend to own/
have my RS on the proper books,
need the connection
saving this one for later-
thanks mate.
have my RS on the proper books,
need the connection
saving this one for later-
thanks mate.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Shott
()
Date: June 3, 2017 16:50
What does "I ain't signifying" mean? Always wondered.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: June 3, 2017 17:09
verb
gerund or present participle: signifying
1.
be an indication of.
"this decision signified a fundamental change in their priorities"
synonymer: be evidence of, be a sign of, mark, signal, mean, spell, add up to, amount to, denote, be symptomatic of, be a symptom of, reveal, manifest, designate; Mer
2.
USinformal
(among black Americans) exchange boasts or insults as a game or ritual.
"I wasn't signifying at her"
gerund or present participle: signifying
1.
be an indication of.
"this decision signified a fundamental change in their priorities"
synonymer: be evidence of, be a sign of, mark, signal, mean, spell, add up to, amount to, denote, be symptomatic of, be a symptom of, reveal, manifest, designate; Mer
2.
USinformal
(among black Americans) exchange boasts or insults as a game or ritual.
"I wasn't signifying at her"
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: June 3, 2017 17:13
Quote
Shott
What does "I ain't signifying" mean? Always wondered.
It's an old southern black American word meaning "messing around" or "joking" in the sense Jagger is using it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-03 17:15 by TravelinMan.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: June 3, 2017 17:16
So can we assume it's Jagger on the rhythm guitar on the boot?
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
dadrob
()
Date: June 3, 2017 20:46
love this version.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: June 4, 2017 00:35
The Language Of The Blues -- Debra DeSalvo
ROCKMAN
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 4, 2017 04:04
Yeah, a drunken jam w/ small mesmerizing guitar starts, lyrics too short, promising title but,
what is Mick not joking about/ ain't lying about?
Song wasn't finished. It's still not. Sorry.
what is Mick not joking about/ ain't lying about?
Song wasn't finished. It's still not. Sorry.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Hairball
()
Date: June 4, 2017 04:22
The track is nothing special to me, but am quite pleased to read the text that Rockman posted regarding "Signifying".
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
_____________________________________________________________
Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
Monsoon Ragoon
()
Date: June 4, 2017 11:50
The released version is better than anything on Blue & Lonesome IMHO.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: April 16, 2020 20:53
I came across this version today, which seems to be a different take of the officially released version. Richards has a rhythm guitar part with a slide intro. I think he also plays an acoustic guitar on the left. Taylor doesn't come in until the chorus.
It seems that maybe the 2010 version has an overdubbed rhythm guitar (in addition to harmonica)? It sounds out of place compared to these.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 16, 2020 21:37
Quote
TravelinMan
I came across this version today, which seems to be a different take of the officially released version. Richards has a rhythm guitar part with a slide intro. I think he also plays an acoustic guitar on the left. Taylor doesn't come in until the chorus.
It seems that maybe the 2010 version has an overdubbed rhythm guitar (in addition to harmonica)? It sounds out of place compared to these.
According to what I can see, that one appears to be Take 2 which is the official version that was edited, possibly in 1971, but certainly or most likely as well, in 2009, with the only new recording on it was a new vocal and harmonica.
I loved Fancy Man when it came out but the 2010 I Ain't Signifying is possibly the best blues they ever did.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: April 17, 2020 16:04
So you're saying they edited it in 1971? It seems like Taylor's slide part is different (although similar) to the officially released version. Also, the two rhythm guitar parts aren't there and instead there is that pretty tepid rhythm guitar.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 18, 2020 17:44
Quote
TravelinMan
So you're saying they edited it in 1971? It seems like Taylor's slide part is different (although similar) to the officially released version. Also, the two rhythm guitar parts aren't there and instead there is that pretty tepid rhythm guitar.
No. I said possibly. There's no way to really know without any documentation, at this point, where as,for example, the edit in Love Is Strong we know happened in post-production. There are obvious track edits on a lot of songs, and most are seamless; there is the occasional hack job, like Everything Is Turning To Gold. But there's other editing, which involves the individual tracks. I'm going to guess that very little was done in 1971.
When you hear these kind mixes of songs, they tend to be working mixes: some have everything in them, some have certain things in them, some have things missing on purpose. So what is on the official version might be just not in the mix of that Hopkins version.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
TravelinMan
()
Date: April 19, 2020 00:15
Oh for sure it’s hard to tell when what was done etc. I can’t believe his remaster vocal is new though, it doesn’t sound like any of the other new vocals.
Re: Bootleg Track Talk: Ain't Gonna Lie (I'm Not Signifying)
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: April 19, 2020 00:45
Quote
TravelinMan
Oh for sure it’s hard to tell when what was done etc. I can’t believe his remaster vocal is new though, it doesn’t sound like any of the other new vocals.
I don't know. I mean, you read something like this...
I got the boxes out. Universal said, We've got a fan helping us who's a walking encyclopedia of the Stones. Can he send you bootlegs from the period? He sent me loads of things, but when I listened to them I kept thinking, Wait a minute, this isn't from Exile, this is much later. I was listening to them with Keith, and Keith's going, Mick Taylor sounds fantastic on this one. And I said, Yeah! Doesn't he? And I looked at the list. And it wasn't Mick Taylor, it was B. B. King, and we only recorded it five years ago.
- Mick Jagger, 2009
... and it makes you wonder. As in, apparently the fan had other ideas or didn't know diddly shit about what was going on.
Mick is still lost. To this day he's lost about what the EXILE time was. Because if you go by what came out on the deluxe album, and read what he said, The first recording was Loving Cup in 1969, and then the last sessions for Exile were done in 1972. So that was my time period. then you know that's not true.
All of that aside, Mick said None of them had vocals... so there you go. And he means, obviously, finished, because the Keith vox tracks are obviously different.
Charlie sums up the whole ball of shit, though: My only criticism of the new ones is that the voice sounds like it was done yesterday. That's inevitable. But Mick likes them. He was rather pleased when he gave them to me. He must've got into this.
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