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crholmstrom
I busted out "The Final Cut" today. I sure do like that album more now than when it first came out. Probably a better title would've been "The Final Straw" as far as Waters/Gilmour went. Brilliant songwriting though.
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stonehearted
Actually, the Wall wasn't Pink Floyd either -- just Waters, Gilmour, and Mason with a whole lot of supporting musicians. But at least Gilmour did have more of a hand in the musical direction with regards to singing and such. The last true Pink Floyd album was Animals.
The Final Cut is without a doubt Roger Waters' finest solo album.
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stonehearted
Actually, the Wall wasn't Pink Floyd either -- just Waters, Gilmour, and Mason with a whole lot of supporting musicians. But at least Gilmour did have more of a hand in the musical direction with regards to singing and such. The last true Pink Floyd album was Animals.
The Final Cut is without a doubt Roger Waters' finest solo album.
Oh, so true. Just saying The Wall has too many recognizable Pink Floyd songs to not be considered part of their true catalogue, even though it sounds nothing like Floyd.
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Hairball
The Wall sounds nothing like Floyd?
Hmmm...not so sure about that - to me it's pure Floyd start to finish. The fact is, it was Waters, Gilmour, Mason, AND Wright first and foremost (though Wright was minimal)...along with a whole lot of supporting musicians.
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Hairball
Rick was indespensable I would agree, and thankfully he was hired to play the shows for The Wall. Kind of rude treatment perhaps, but he was pushing too many buttons and on some sort of ego trip during the Wall sessions (demanding co-producer credits, etc) - hence he was sacked from the band. I don't recall reading his parts were completely erased! But no matter what sort of "architect" he may been, even his finesse with the keyboards couldn't help Pink Floyd after Roger left - the songs lacked in almost every way. Like a parody for the most part. And just for the record, they played quite a few more Wall shows than four - maybe you meant four cities. Seven dates in L.A. alone - two of which I was lucky to be at. They also played a run of shows in New York, London, and Dortmund, West Germany
As for Syd Barret, Piper at the Gates of Dawn is one of my all time favorite albums by any band - experimentally great psychedelic pop and rock songs, along with cutting edge guitar (for the period). He was more than just a painter, he was a creator of great songs - the lyrics and the music, and it was his vocals that were the most prominent on that album. The rest of the band simply followed the leader if you will, and I wouldn't necessarily consider Roger Waters and Nick Mason as "real musicians" during that period - they were all art/architecture students before forming the band. As for his solo albums, a bit iffy indeed, but those were recorded and released after he "lost the plot" so to speak. I believe it was Gilmour who even helped to produce one of them, but even he couldn't help!
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Hairball
Rick was indespensable I would agree, and thankfully he was hired to play the shows for The Wall. Kind of rude treatment perhaps, but he was pushing too many buttons and on some sort of ego trip during the Wall sessions (demanding co-producer credits, etc) - hence he was sacked from the band. I don't recall reading his parts were completely erased! But no matter what sort of "architect" he may been, even his finesse with the keyboards couldn't help Pink Floyd after Roger left - the songs lacked in almost every way. Like a parody for the most part. And just for the record, they played quite a few more Wall shows than four - maybe you meant four cities. Seven dates in L.A. alone - two of which I was lucky to be at. They also played a run of shows in New York, London, and Dortmund, West Germany
As for Syd Barret, Piper at the Gates of Dawn is one of my all time favorite albums by any band - experimentally great psychedelic pop and rock songs, along with cutting edge guitar (for the period). He was more than just a painter, he was a creator of great songs - the lyrics and the music, and it was his vocals that were the most prominent on that album. The rest of the band simply followed the leader if you will, and I wouldn't necessarily consider Roger Waters and Nick Mason as "real musicians" during that period - they were all art/architecture students before forming the band. As for his solo albums, a bit iffy indeed, but those were recorded and released after he "lost the plot" so to speak. I believe it was Gilmour who even helped to produce one of them, but even he couldn't help!
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DandelionPowderman
Keyboards on The Wall:
Bob Ezrin – piano, hammond organ, synthesizers, reed organ
James Guthrie – percussion; synthesizer; sound effects
Fred Mandel – Hammond organ on "In The Flesh?" and "In the Flesh"
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Hairball
As for Waters and Gilmour solo work (and post-Roger Pink Floyd), agree that none of it matches the strengths of their work together in the golden years (same could be said for Mick and Keith solo). But between the two, Roger's solo albums for the most part are far more interesting due to their lyrical content and overall superior songwriting - give or take a few duds here and there. Gilmour solo on the other hand can almost veer towards being elevator music - not hard on the ears and pleasant to listen to in a harmless way, but inferior lyrics and songwriting in general can come across as boring. Great guitar solos alone does not always equal great music imo.
*edit: Obviously the evolution started prior to Dark Side of the Moon, but it was that album when they truly became one voice - a driving force with all cylinders firing. And between those four classic golden era albums (Dark Side, Wish You Were Here, Animals, and The Wall), it's difficult for me to pick an absolute favorite as each has it strengths, and each are unique in their own ways. If forced to choose, I'd have to go with Dark Side as it was the first one that truly captivated me as a young fan back in the day. It's an all time classic from start to finish.
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stonehearted
Scream and Vegetable Man were actually both just released on Floyd's new expansive box set The Early Years. Really cool box. I only got one disc (the one with an entire Man And The Journey concert) but it seems to be a really good collection. Almost too expansive being at 16 discs, but it did release some stuff that hadn't been out officially like Scream, etc.Quote
stonehearted
Another one from that time that's quite striking and still not officially released is Scream Thy Last Scream. It's quite something to hear this song, and Syd Barrett's work overall, on mushrooms -- it's like the toy chest in your childhood room has exploded and everything in it has come to technicolor cartoon life and is floating wildly about, and yourself along with it.
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Rockman
Each to his own ... but I wouldn't let it anywhere near my stereo ...
Oh, that's right! I'd forgotten about that, because I opted for the cheaper single disc -- or was it a double? (can't find my copy at the moment)Quote
RollingFreak
Scream and Vegetable Man were actually both just released on Floyd's new expansive box set The Early Years. Really cool box. I only got one disc (the one with an entire Man And The Journey concert) but it seems to be a really good collection. Almost too expansive being at 16 discs, but it did release some stuff that hadn't been out officially like Scream, etc.
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stoneheartedOh, that's right! I'd forgotten about that, because I opted for the cheaper single disc -- or was it a double? (can't find my copy at the moment)Quote
RollingFreak
Scream and Vegetable Man were actually both just released on Floyd's new expansive box set The Early Years. Really cool box. I only got one disc (the one with an entire Man And The Journey concert) but it seems to be a really good collection. Almost too expansive being at 16 discs, but it did release some stuff that hadn't been out officially like Scream, etc.
How about Lucy Leave, is that there, too? Are they nicely remastered?