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RollingFreak
I don't really like to see my musicians get political. A comment or two is fine, but going overboard, even if its someone I don't agree with, seems like its taking away from the show. In the end I'm there for the music. But after the way Trump's been behaving the last week (which isn't a new low but somehow feels a bit "good lord dude") I could kinda use a dose of Waters' Trump heavy bashing cause you know its gonna be done really well and vicious. And all being done with brilliant visuals to classic Floyd music... that idea sounds really really fun.
Does Roger Waters also include people like Kim-Jong-UN, ISIS-leaders, Putin, Hassan Rouhani (Iran), Khaled Mashal (Hamas), Nicolas Maduro and Xi Jinping on the screen show or is it just the leader of the free world? I know Trump is an easy target but hey, that's my point.
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RollingFreak
I don't really like to see my musicians get political. A comment or two is fine, but going overboard, even if its someone I don't agree with, seems like its taking away from the show. In the end I'm there for the music. But after the way Trump's been behaving the last week (which isn't a new low but somehow feels a bit "good lord dude") I could kinda use a dose of Waters' Trump heavy bashing cause you know its gonna be done really well and vicious. And all being done with brilliant visuals to classic Floyd music... that idea sounds really really fun.
Does Roger Waters also include people like Kim-Jong-UN, ISIS-leaders, Putin, Hassan Rouhani (Iran), Khaled Mashal (Hamas), Nicolas Maduro and Xi Jinping on the screen show or is it just the leader of the free world?
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RollingFreak
I don't really like to see my musicians get political. A comment or two is fine, but going overboard, even if its someone I don't agree with, seems like its taking away from the show. In the end I'm there for the music. But after the way Trump's been behaving the last week (which isn't a new low but somehow feels a bit "good lord dude") I could kinda use a dose of Waters' Trump heavy bashing cause you know its gonna be done really well and vicious. And all being done with brilliant visuals to classic Floyd music... that idea sounds really really fun.
Does Roger Waters also include people like Kim-Jong-UN, ISIS-leaders, Putin, Hassan Rouhani (Iran), Khaled Mashal (Hamas), Nicolas Maduro and Xi Jinping on the screen show or is it just the leader of the free world? I know Trump is an easy target but hey, that's my point.
Putin yes. As for the others, if memory serves some of them were included in Rogers version of the Wall which also included Obama. The new show in only two hours long (give or take), so can't cram everything into it!
But this particular portion of the current show - Pigs (Three Different Ones) - is dedicated to the buffoonery of Trump, and even though it was written with different intentions decades ago, the lyrics fit ( Pigs ).
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FrogSugar
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's the best proof I've found that Roger Waters doesn't sing live and relies on backing tapes. Turn up the sound and look what happens at 0:41 seconds!
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This plus all his anti-Israel comments pretty much killed any desire I have to catch him live - with or without Pink Floyd...
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RollingFreak
I don't really like to see my musicians get political. A comment or two is fine, but going overboard, even if its someone I don't agree with, seems like its taking away from the show. In the end I'm there for the music. But after the way Trump's been behaving the last week (which isn't a new low but somehow feels a bit "good lord dude") I could kinda use a dose of Waters' Trump heavy bashing cause you know its gonna be done really well and vicious. And all being done with brilliant visuals to classic Floyd music... that idea sounds really really fun.
Does Roger Waters also include people like Kim-Jong-UN, ISIS-leaders, Putin, Hassan Rouhani (Iran), Khaled Mashal (Hamas), Nicolas Maduro and Xi Jinping on the screen show or is it just the leader of the free world? I know Trump is an easy target but hey, that's my point.
Putin yes. As for the others, if memory serves some of them were included in Rogers version of the Wall which also included Obama. The new show in only two hours long (give or take), so can't cram everything into it!
But this particular portion of the current show - Pigs (Three Different Ones) - is dedicated to the buffoonery of Trump, and even though it was written with different intentions decades ago, the lyrics fit ( Pigs ).
He mocks Iran, Hamas, isis etc? Putin as long as Trump is connected to him yes, i sort of knew that.
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FrogSugar
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's the best proof I've found that Roger Waters doesn't sing live and relies on backing tapes. Turn up the sound and look what happens at 0:41 seconds!
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This plus all his anti-Israel comments pretty much killed any desire I have to catch him live - with or without Pink Floyd...
Oh yeah this was posted. This was kinda the impetus that brought it all back up again cause it was right before the tour started. We all know its happening (some don't care, some think it enhances the show, some are against it) but that was a semi infamous video at this point that really sealed the tour I feel like. In the way that anyone following the tour saw that video.
It didn't really bother me, mainly cause I've seen him and wasn't planning to here. Also because he's not foreign to it. He's done it for decades now, or at least a decade, we just never really knew the extent. I think that clip hammered home its probably way more than I think, but again thats his preogative. Again, thats his right and I'm not thrilled about it. But I don't know how much he used it the times I saw him (probably a lot on the Wall) but I enjoyed the shows so I was fooled or preferred the show he gave me. In fact, when I heard he was doing the Wall I thought "how?! He can't at all sing like that anymore so its gotta all be prerecorded." Then there I am at the show loving it and not noticing a thing. I'm big against it, and that video you posted was crushing back in May. But you either accept it or don't. He's 72, we can't change him. The video of him lip syncing The Gunner's Dream in 06 STILL crushes me, but you take Waters for what he is. I hold it against him but the show is also so good I also don't use that as the sole reason not to go.
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Hairball
I have a few friends down under who saw a show or two, and a couple of them traveled around to see five or six of them. All rave reviews - even from the jaded diehards - they couldn't get enough.
This upcoming European leg will last from April all the way through August, then to South America and Mexico from Oct. - Dec. - there's so many upcoming dates I can't even count them all. Marathon Tour. And with the first US leg being from last May-Oct, add them all together and at 74 years old it's mind boggling to witness the old man still touring around the world in this fashion unlike other old timers. Hoping he returns to the US for another run which is almost a given - it's truly a spectacular show. You'll be happy you saw it!
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Heads up gotdablouse - immediatly after intermission, you might want to try and find a temporary spot further to either side if possible - even stand in the outer aisle on floor if need be. Without giving anything away, there's a massive spectacle that lasts apprx. 30 minutes and is a major highlight of the show, and if you're dead center it will all be directly above your head, and you'll be unable to experience it all.
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gotdablouse
Good to hear, yes I spotted a couple of nice sounding recording on Dime, will check them out. In Paris he'll be playing back to back dates, wonder how he does it, but then he doesn't always sing and certainly moves around less than Mick ;-) I'm almost worried that I'll be too close and won't be able to take in the apparently magnificent show...hehe ;-)
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gotdablouse
Good to hear, yes I spotted a couple of nice sounding recording on Dime, will check them out. In Paris he'll be playing back to back dates, wonder how he does it, but then he doesn't always sing and certainly moves around less than Mick ;-) I'm almost worried that I'll be too close and won't be able to take in the apparently magnificent show...hehe ;-)
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FrogSugar
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's the best proof I've found that Roger Waters doesn't sing live and relies on backing tapes. Turn up the sound and look what happens at 0:41 seconds!
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This plus all his anti-Israel comments pretty much killed any desire I have to catch him live - with or without Pink Floyd...
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RisingStone
Let me ask those of you who already attended Water’s Us + Them show a question.
I am not a diehard of Floyd/Waters, but caught Water’s The Wall show at the Manchester Arena in 2013 and was quite impressed. Now I am considering going to his Hyde Park show in July, taking the opportunity of seeing The Cure and Eric Clapton in the same weekend. It is way cheaper than his arena shows on the UK tour, adding to some attractive acts on the bill, e.g. Richard Ashcroft, Seasick Steve, Squeeze and more.
As you know, his show consists of lots of theatrical gimmicks, props etc. My concern is, does the show work under the outdoor situation? Without ceilings and enclosing walls (pun unintended), will the performance in Hyde Park suffer considerably?
Another possible negative factor is the daylight — as the sun doesn’t go down until ten in the evening or so in that season, you can’t expect the full lighting effect, obviously.
With all these disadvantages considered, what do you reckon? Would you rather recommend me to pick up one of his arena shows instead of Hyde Park? Comments and advices appreciated.
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gotdablouse
Yeah we discussed that last year, in his "defense" it wasn't an actual show but a dress rehearsal before the tour started, but yes, he uses tapes on stage and being the articulate and "aggressive" person he is he should probably be asked about it...
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RisingStone
Let me ask those of you who already attended Water’s Us + Them show a question.
I am not a diehard of Floyd/Waters, but caught Water’s The Wall show at the Manchester Arena in 2013 and was quite impressed. Now I am considering going to his Hyde Park show in July, taking the opportunity of seeing The Cure and Eric Clapton in the same weekend. It is way cheaper than his arena shows on the UK tour, adding to some attractive acts on the bill, e.g. Richard Ashcroft, Seasick Steve, Squeeze and more.
As you know, his show consists of lots of theatrical gimmicks, props etc. My concern is, does the show work under the outdoor situation? Without ceilings and enclosing walls (pun unintended), will the performance in Hyde Park suffer considerably?
Another possible negative factor is the daylight — as the sun doesn’t go down until ten in the evening or so in that season, you can’t expect the full lighting effect, obviously.
With all these disadvantages considered, what do you reckon? Would you rather recommend me to pick up one of his arena shows instead of Hyde Park? Comments and advices appreciated.
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RisingStone
To Hairball and daspyknows —
Many thanks for your thoughts. Tough call, really.
More suggestions welcome.
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Hairball
Go to both.
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RisingStone
Back from Hyde Park. I was blown away. I’m sure everybody was. Just spectacular.
Yes, the giant screen was there and it was so overwhelming. To say I was impressed would be an understatement. Now I’m glad I made it to this show.
Whether you like his political/social views (there were a lot) is another thing — but that’s Roger for you.