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Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: April 30, 2017 20:27

Many thanks Doxa for the article and clarification.
ABKCO must have spent a fortune over the years in lawsuits and general litigation.

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 1, 2017 17:04

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Rocky Dijon
Why Woody Payne instead of a simple Trad. Arr. credit for "Love in Vain" I never understood.

An apparent pseudonym and maybe done because it was only available on bootleg at the time.

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 1, 2017 17:08

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Rocky Dijon
ABKCO did indeed. They owned publishing on everything recorded through 1970. That's all of STICKY FINGERS and several tracks on EXILE including "Stop Breaking Down."

Which also gives more credence to what was not recorded in France for EOMS...

I've always though Steve Jordan was drumming on Had It With You for some reason.

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 1, 2017 17:10

How they even considered doing credits for EOMS is odd considering tracks go back to 1969 and they were so loaded there's no way they could remember everyone.

Well, that's a bit much. But they were so all over the place. Maybe someone was keeping notes - and got them wrong on purpose.

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: May 1, 2017 19:43

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GasLightStreet
How they even considered doing credits for EOMS is odd considering tracks go back to 1969 and they were so loaded there's no way they could remember everyone.

Well, that's a bit much. But they were so all over the place. Maybe someone was keeping notes - and got them wrong on purpose.[/quote

It seems to be a bit of a minefield.
If Mick and Keith had written and demoed a track at Redlands in Spring 1968...and not 'registered' it with any Copyright office...then wanted to complete the job (some years later).And release the finished version.
Would ABKCO be able to claim rights?

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: Rocky Dijon ()
Date: May 1, 2017 23:03

Somewhere on IORR, someone had turned up a listing (BMI or ASCAP, I believe) of registered titles by ABKCO Music (the publishing arm) at the time of their separation from the band in October 1970. ABKCO listed a great deal of unreleased tracks. It is this source where, for example, "Highway Bound" as the proper title instead of "Highway Child" for the earliest version of "Bitch." Anyway, that seems to be how it was determined with EXILE.

Now how that explains "Angie" being given over to ABKCO on the 2009 reissue of GOATS HEAD SOUP is anyone's guess. It certainly wasn't on the list of unreleased songs and works-in-progress in October 1970. It was either sloppy administration in the post-Lowenstein era or righting an old wrong to be kind to Jody Klein (hardly seems their style, but who knows?). "Winter" which appears to be developed from "Blood Red Wine" is surely a better fit.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2017-05-01 23:04 by Rocky Dijon.

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: May 2, 2017 17:01

Angie being deemed an ABKCO Music song is indeed sloppy administration in the post-Lowenstein era, seeing that Angie was written in 1972.

ABKCO owns all Stones recorded music through 1969, which includes all of STICKY FINGERS and Shine A Light, Sweet Virginia, Loving Cup, Stop Breaking Down and All Down The Line.

Which is odd in some aspects: I Got The Blues was recorded in March-May 1970, the same time Dancing In The Light and the first version of Tumbling Dice were. Sweet Virginia and Stop Breaking Down weren't recorded until June & July 1970.

Re: Interpeting Stones album credits
Posted by: jlowe ()
Date: May 2, 2017 23:28

Have checked the ASCAP Title Search.
Publisher details:

ANGIE = Colgems/EMI Publishing
TUMBLING DICE = Promopub

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