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RollingFreak
Hairball, we've disagreed many times and probably will continue here.
For me personally, I judge all bands separately. There may be no reason I see one band as legitimate and another not, I fully admit that. KISS DID continue without key members, but it only got bad when they started dressing them up. I follow 80s and 90s KISS, but it only got bad when they started passing people off as Ace and Peter. It seems small, but when it was transparent it was one thing. When it became an act it was worse.
IMO Pink Floyd isn't Pink Floyd without all 4 of those people. When they toured without Roger it tarnished the legacy I thought of them and I just ignore it. Having said that, I'm fine with Zeppelin touring with John's son if they ever did. Probably because they did go away so if they came back I do think it would be as a tribute which is fine. I have no problem with the Stones continuing without Taylor and I'm a massive Taylor fan. Or Brian, Bill. In the end, thats a band where its the Stones as long as Mick and Keith are there. Don't know why, thats just how I feel.
The Who have cheapened their legacy for so long I just accept it. Some bands can get away with it IMO, some can't. No one took Guns N Roses seriously till Slash came back, and while I wish this current tour was original band, I and many others will accept it with just Slash and Axl. Why they are different than Pink Floyd, I don't know, but its how I see it. The Eagles were Don and Glenn. Without any, I think its a fraud, but if people want to go that's their prerogative.
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RollingFreak
Hairball, we've disagreed many times and probably will continue here.
For me personally, I judge all bands separately. There may be no reason I see one band as legitimate and another not, I fully admit that. KISS DID continue without key members, but it only got bad when they started dressing them up. I follow 80s and 90s KISS, but it only got bad when they started passing people off as Ace and Peter. It seems small, but when it was transparent it was one thing. When it became an act it was worse.
IMO Pink Floyd isn't Pink Floyd without all 4 of those people. When they toured without Roger it tarnished the legacy I thought of them and I just ignore it. Having said that, I'm fine with Zeppelin touring with John's son if they ever did. Probably because they did go away so if they came back I do think it would be as a tribute which is fine. I have no problem with the Stones continuing without Taylor and I'm a massive Taylor fan. Or Brian, Bill. In the end, thats a band where its the Stones as long as Mick and Keith are there. Don't know why, thats just how I feel.
The Who have cheapened their legacy for so long I just accept it. Some bands can get away with it IMO, some can't. No one took Guns N Roses seriously till Slash came back, and while I wish this current tour was original band, I and many others will accept it with just Slash and Axl. Why they are different than Pink Floyd, I don't know, but its how I see it. The Eagles were Don and Glenn. Without any, I think its a fraud, but if people want to go that's their prerogative.
So what you're saying in a nutshell is there's no absolute right answer to any of this and it's based on ones personal feelings? If so, we agree 100%.
As for the bands you mention:
Kiss - I liked them for about 10 seconds in 6th grade c.75, so really don't have an opinion one way or the other.
Pink Floyd - agreed, no Roger Waters no Pink Floyd. The albums and tours after he left were a "clever forgery" (credit quote to Roger).
Led Zeppelin - agreed, and it still might happen one day!!!
Stones - obviously agreed.
The Who - somewhat agree - but Pete and Roger as the two main frontmen carry it well. They were fantastic at both Desert Trip shows .
Guns and Roses - No real opinion other than they peaked in '88/89 and should have completely called it quits then.
As for the Eagles...hmmm...I really have no absolute opinion - well maybe I do, but I was just kind of playing the Devils advocate.
If there was ever any legacy being tarnished, it already happened with all the cheesy reunion tours and their treatment of former band members (Felder specifically).
As for now, it's all kind of harmless anyways, and many people will continue to enjoy them. Bottom line, I was never a big enough fan to care one way or the other and won't lose any sleep about it.
I'll continue to enjoy some of the music they provided back in the day, and wish them all the best for whatever the future holds.
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Jah Paul
I think if they had presented the upcoming two concerts as a tribute to Glenn, featuring Jackson Browne, Vince Gill, perhaps J.D. Souther, Frey's kid, whomever...then it would be a form of closure and a nice way to ride off into the sunset. But with Henley saying "Then it’s Irving’s ball" signifies that as long as it's financially lucrative, this begins a new chapter and the band will continue. To me it seems Henley doesn't care about Frey's place in the band or any legacy - as long as Irving says they can make money, he's on board. Of course, as others have noted here, the Eagles were always about the money, so it shouldn't be surprising now.
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Hairball
If this thing is a failure, and the Eagles do decide to continue after this (or if Irving decides), you might be able to catch them at a County Fair or a casino near you for under $50, and you'll probably be getting what you pay for.
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Hairball
If this thing is a failure, and the Eagles do decide to continue after this (or if Irving decides), you might be able to catch them at a County Fair or a casino near you for under $50, and you'll probably be getting what you pay for.
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Hairball
If this thing is a failure, and the Eagles do decide to continue after this (or if Irving decides), you might be able to catch them at a County Fair or a casino near you for under $50, and you'll probably be getting what you pay for.
A ‘Country Fair?’ LOL That sounds so quaint and 19th century.
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Hairball
If this thing is a failure, and the Eagles do decide to continue after this (or if Irving decides), you might be able to catch them at a County Fair or a casino near you for under $50, and you'll probably be getting what you pay for.
A ‘Country Fair?’ LOL That sounds so quaint and 19th century.
He said County Fair. The annual L.A. and Orange County Fairs both have an agricultural basis, but those components have been overwhelmed by other entertainment attractions.
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Has any other band gone on like that after the death of a singer/songwriter member late in life?
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Has any other band gone on like that after the death of a singer/songwriter member late in life?
Beach Boys are a tad different though cause people were always leaving and it was a lot of different singers. I could see them continuing without Carl, but I can't there ever being a lineup without EITHER Mike or Brian.Quote
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Has any other band gone on like that after the death of a singer/songwriter member late in life?
I'd put the loss of Carl Wilson to the Beach Boys in a similar category.
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RollingFreakBeach Boys are a tad different though cause people were always leaving and it was a lot of different singers. I could see them continuing without Carl, but I can't there ever being a lineup without EITHER Mike or Brian.Quote
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Has any other band gone on like that after the death of a singer/songwriter member late in life?
I'd put the loss of Carl Wilson to the Beach Boys in a similar category.
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RollingFreakBeach Boys are a tad different though cause people were always leaving and it was a lot of different singers. I could see them continuing without Carl, but I can't there ever being a lineup without EITHER Mike or Brian.Quote
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Has any other band gone on like that after the death of a singer/songwriter member late in life?
I'd put the loss of Carl Wilson to the Beach Boys in a similar category.
As a lifelong Beach Boys fan, I disagree a bit...after Brian stopped touring in the mid-'60s, Carl and Mike were the constants as lead vocalists for the next 30+ years (not to discount Al, who sang lead on fewer songs). When Carl passed away in 1998 (and Brian no longer touring with the band at all), that was kind of it for me. I've always enjoyed Brian's solo shows in the years since, but have never had any interest in Mike and Bruce's touring "Beach Boys." The 2012 reunion was great, but that was a one-time thing, and, to me, their swan song. Carl was the soul of the band, and is sorely missed to this day.
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RollingFreakBeach Boys are a tad different though cause people were always leaving and it was a lot of different singers. I could see them continuing without Carl, but I can't there ever being a lineup without EITHER Mike or Brian.Quote
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Has any other band gone on like that after the death of a singer/songwriter member late in life?
I'd put the loss of Carl Wilson to the Beach Boys in a similar category.
As a lifelong Beach Boys fan, I disagree a bit...after Brian stopped touring in the mid-'60s, Carl and Mike were the constants as lead vocalists for the next 30+ years (not to discount Al, who sang lead on fewer songs). When Carl passed away in 1998 (and Brian no longer touring with the band at all), that was kind of it for me. I've always enjoyed Brian's solo shows in the years since, but have never had any interest in Mike and Bruce's touring "Beach Boys." The 2012 reunion was great, but that was a one-time thing, and, to me, their swan song. Carl was the soul of the band, and is sorely missed to this day.
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marianna
The latest Eagles shows have received very good reviews, with only a few noting how odd it is to not have Glenn doing the talking between songs. It's not something I would want to see, but most of their audience consists of nostalgic people who don't care. They come to have a beer and sing along to the songs that were hits during their school days.
Irving Azoff convinced them to do it. He manages all the acts in these put-together mini-fests. He called Vince Gill's manager to offer the job, no one from the band did. It's all business.
As for the Beach Boys, they should have retired the name after Carl. Their act has improved since they hired Scott Totten as musical director. They do an especially good job on the early, guitar-oriented songs. I enjoyed them at a free county fair show. I would not pay a ticket price to see them. I liked Brian's early touring days, but his voice and enthusiasm have lessened over the years. Adding Al and Blondie help make up for that somewhat. He has a really good, large band that excels on the later songs.
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keefriff99Azoff is a brilliant businessman and marketer, no doubt about it. He makes Michael Cohl look like a piker.Quote
marianna
The latest Eagles shows have received very good reviews, with only a few noting how odd it is to not have Glenn doing the talking between songs. It's not something I would want to see, but most of their audience consists of nostalgic people who don't care. They come to have a beer and sing along to the songs that were hits during their school days.
Irving Azoff convinced them to do it. He manages all the acts in these put-together mini-fests. He called Vince Gill's manager to offer the job, no one from the band did. It's all business.
As for the Beach Boys, they should have retired the name after Carl. Their act has improved since they hired Scott Totten as musical director. They do an especially good job on the early, guitar-oriented songs. I enjoyed them at a free county fair show. I would not pay a ticket price to see them. I liked Brian's early touring days, but his voice and enthusiasm have lessened over the years. Adding Al and Blondie help make up for that somewhat. He has a really good, large band that excels on the later songs.
Speaking of Michael Cohl...why did he and the Stones part ways? They didn't part on the best of terms if I'm not mistaken.