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It wasn't 'differen't' back then. I was there. I remember this stuff happening.
Even the Stones themselves, world-class hedonists, were appalled. Bill himself came to his senses a few years later and left the band to straighten himself out.
I like Bill. From a distance you get the sense he's grown. He's had a better life after the Stones, which was a long shot. Still he's a strange cat.
But the movie should definitely be shown to those who wish to view it.

Just one more poster who is wrong. Amazing really.

Things were different and the fact that this did not effect Wyman's career is proof of that. Not sure why this has to be pointed out over and over again. You think it would sink in.

Gee I wonder if the Stones could release Stray Cat Blues today? It was different. Her family didn't complain and she didn't complain so nobody made a big deal out of it. That would not happen today.

I will educate you one more time. In the history of the world only in the last few decades has it become totally taboo for an older man to have sex with a teenager . IN many parts o the world it is not taboo at all even now. It has slowly got to the point where we are today. 40 years ago we were not there yet or even close. If the family didn't complain nobody really thought that much of it.

There were numerous teachers in my school at the time having sex with teenagers and because the families didn't complain nothing happened. Later on when this became more taboo a couple of them lost their jobs for things they did many years earlier. Times changed. Again I saw a movie from the 1970's a short while ago and two older guys were actually joking about having sex with teenagers. They were the hero's of the movie . Wish I could remember the name of the movie. Do you think that would be released today.

I think some believe that people who say things were different are condoning the behavior. I am not. I thought at the time these things were not right but it was not he huge deal it is today. When I was a teenager there was a girl my age ( 14) who lived next door. We would see a teachers car parked at his house every night and everyone knew they were dating. Nobody made a big deal out of it. My parents used to question what the hell her parents were thinking and could not believe they were allowing this but it was looked at as their decision. Nobody was calling the cops, nobody was saying he should not be teaching. It is totally different today.



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It wasn't 'differen't' back then. I was there. I remember this stuff happening.
Even the Stones themselves, world-class hedonists, were appalled..

They were so appalled that they went to his wedding and were all smiles. Jerry Hall was fine with it also. You just made some stuff up. I am actually curies as to why you would.

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Again, this is not about Wyman marrying Smith, it’s all about censorship, safe spaces, mob mentality, free speech, power, dominance and retrictions.

Agreed. It seems some people are okay with the mob. When a mob gets power they don't stop on their own. Very dangerous what is going on in the West.

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Yup. And i might add third wave feminists. I dont agree with everything the second wave feminists did (like when a Swedish second waver ruined family courts in Sweden - which had a huge negative impact in the US) but Im obviously for all the equalities, free speech, freedom for minorities women etc that we used to have in Europe and the US. Now it’s all about autistic lingustics.

Well woman defiantly have equal rights in the UK, they have far more rights than men in fact, ask any guy getting divorced for instance, the courts favor women, that's a good thing i think when it comes to custody, children tend to need their Mothers more than their Fathers, but now it's going too far, men are like second class citizens these days.

I am waiting to hear what rights women or minorities don't have in Western Countries.

The 3 of you should form your own band...or at least a mutual admiration society.

You could have just pointed out the rights than women and minorities don't have.

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Yup. And i might add third wave feminists. I dont agree with everything the second wave feminists did (like when a Swedish second waver ruined family courts in Sweden - which had a huge negative impact in the US) but Im obviously for all the equalities, free speech, freedom for minorities women etc that we used to have in Europe and the US. Now it’s all about autistic lingustics.

Well woman defiantly have equal rights in the UK, they have far more rights than men in fact, ask any guy getting divorced for instance, the courts favor women, that's a good thing i think when it comes to custody, children tend to need their Mothers more than their Fathers, but now it's going too far, men are like second class citizens these days.

I am waiting to hear what rights women or minorities don't have in Western Countries.

The 3 of you should form your own band...or at least a mutual admiration society.

You could have just pointed out the rights than women and minorities don't have.

I guess it's one thing to have enshrined rights, and then have them not be implemented, or worse thwarted.

There are innumerable examples of that, 'the glass ceiling' or lower average pay for women, higher rates of incarceration, or longer terms of incarceration for the same crime, for blacks ( don't think I need to go on, else we get 'political' you get the drift).

The interesting point is that it's the same as having a law that isn't prosecuted. It's sort of not like having the law at all.

Just glad that however slowly it's happening, the times they are a-changin'.

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Yup. And i might add third wave feminists. I dont agree with everything the second wave feminists did (like when a Swedish second waver ruined family courts in Sweden - which had a huge negative impact in the US) but Im obviously for all the equalities, free speech, freedom for minorities women etc that we used to have in Europe and the US. Now it’s all about autistic lingustics.

Well woman defiantly have equal rights in the UK, they have far more rights than men in fact, ask any guy getting divorced for instance, the courts favor women, that's a good thing i think when it comes to custody, children tend to need their Mothers more than their Fathers, but now it's going too far, men are like second class citizens these days.

I am waiting to hear what rights women or minorities don't have in Western Countries.

The 3 of you should form your own band...or at least a mutual admiration society.

You could have just pointed out the rights than women and minorities don't have.

I guess it's one thing to have enshrined rights, and then have them not be implemented, or worse thwarted.

There are innumerable examples of that, 'the glass ceiling' or lower average pay for women, higher rates of incarceration, or longer terms of incarceration for the same crime, for blacks ( don't think I need to go on, else we get 'political' you get the drift).

The interesting point is that it's the same as having a law that isn't prosecuted. It's sort of not like having the law at all.

Just glad that however slowly it's happening, the times they are a-changin'.

When you compare apples to apples ( same career, same hours worked ) there is not lower pay for women. How many times does this have to be pointed out before people stop bringing it up. Maybe Dylan should write a song about it.

Blacks commit more crimes so they are arrested more. There is no dispute on that. How in the heck could you think more blacks in jails point to less rights.

The studies on how long they serve doesn't account for previous arrests and records.



What you are looking for is equal outcomes for everyone no matter what they do in their life. That has nothing to do with rights or opportunity . This has nothing to do with rights or opportunity. There is nothing wrong with women getting paid less than men if they make different choices. There is nothing wrong with blacks have a higher rate of incarceration if more blacks make the wrong choices just like there is no problem with whites have a high rate of incarceration than Asians which is also true.

Your mindset like everyone is thinks like you is bizarre.



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Showing of doc cancelled.

[www.bbc.com]

Do not get this one started again...

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the courts favor women, that's a good thing i think when it comes to custody, children tend to need their Mothers more than their Fathers...

This, quite simply, is bullsh*t.

The Quiet One will be exhibited in the Montclair Film Festival

Oliver Murray’s THE QUIET ONE is a feature documentary offering a unique behind-the-scenes look at the highs and lows of the life of Bill Wyman, founding member of The Rolling Stones. Throughout his life and career, Bill Wyman shot hours of “unseen” film footage, took thousands of photographs, collected a vast archive of memorabilia, and kept a detailed diary to accompany these treasures. A must-see for fans, THE QUIET ONE is a first hand journey through Wyman’s childhood in World War II, the golden age of Rock & Roll, life with The Rolling Stones, and much more.

Sunday, May 12
3:30pm
Location: MKA Upper School

TICKETS AND MORE INFO: [montclairfilm.org]

Psst.... Don't let the Metoo movement know...

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Showing of doc cancelled.

[www.bbc.com]

The Quiet One was silenced.

LOL, if you think of it: the quietest one of the bunch, the one who isn't even a Stone anymore, and in his 80's - and STILL they cause controversy.
Stones Rule!

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LOL, if you think of it: the quietest one of the bunch, the one who isn't even a Stone anymore, and in his 80's - and STILL they cause controversy.
Stones Rule!

I sometimes feel that in the long run it has been a blessing for the Stones having this controversial, 'bad boy' image, the guys known for their bad behaviour (had it been true or not, intentional or not)... it gives them for a certain safe web against whatever kind of accusations and 'revelations'. Trying to shoot them down by finger-pointing in moralist terms doesn't really affect them or their popularity. It would really need something like a smoking gun and a real criminal charge with substance to hit them. Bill's case is 'so and so', probably closest being one, but at the moment that of one showing of his document being cancelled due to social media rage, is still a storm in the water glass, a bit annoying yes (for Bill, his family, many Stones fans, etc.), but really not shaking anyone's boat.

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You wonder what film festivals would make about 'The life and times of Brian Jones'.
And I don't mean one that focuses on his death. But one that covers his childhood, musical influences, private life and of course his time with The Stones.
I believe he fathered a child with a 14 year old girl. Plus at least 4 others by different girls (over the age of consent).
Would the 'Censors' view his story differently as he is not around to 'benefit'from the film?

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You wonder what film festivals would make about 'The life and times of Brian Jones'.
And I don't mean one that focuses on his death. But one that covers his childhood, musical influences, private life and of course his time with The Stones.
I believe he fathered a child with a 14 year old girl. Plus at least 4 others by different girls (over the age of consent).
Would the 'Censors' view his story differently as he is not around to 'benefit'from the film?

Of course. (Snapping my fingers).

This is the general dilemma with memoirs (and likewise): You want to put forward a positive picture of yourself (naturally) but then other pictures comes in from outside.
As Robbie Robertson said somewhere in "Hail, Hail Rock and Roll" about Chuck Berry (something like...): "He wanted to tell his story but then the whole world came crushing in".
Maybe this is one reason Jagger always refused doing his memoirs?



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Maybe this is one reason Jagger always refused doing his memoirs?

Not so.

How short can people's memory be! He did sign up to do his memoirs, got an advance, and then, for whatever reason, gave up, and returned the advance.

So using the word "always" is wrong.

Otherwise, your analysis is good.

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The director of this doc is now working on a new doc called "Ronnie's".. I can't find anything about it, is it about "our" Ronnie?

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Maybe this is one reason Jagger always refused doing his memoirs?

Not so.

How short can people's memory be! He did sign up to do his memoirs, got an advance, and then, for whatever reason, gave up, and returned the advance.

So using the word "always" is wrong.

Otherwise, your analysis is good.

*quote Mick Jagger NYT 2010:

“Personally,” he says, closing his eyes and pressing his hand to his chest, “I think it’s really quite tedious raking over the past. Mostly, people only do it for the money.”


Xoxo Classy tricky Mick

Doxa, I’ll add something to my rant about the intersectional left of today. The religious right is just as bad. I still say the driving force behind the double standards and moral outcries as of 2019 comes from the left. On the other hand there seems to be a response from the right.

the difference is that while the new moral right which emerged in the early 80s had significant damaging input on various arenas (media, courts) their objectives were never really in line with the media bias. In some areas however they found a common ground with 80s feminists and the marxists (the threat of Aids, porn, American rock music, American television, vidro games, films, homophobia against gay men, a sick belief in Satanic ritual killings of women and infants etc) and since journalists lean heavily to the left... you get (my) picture. And you probably have an answer that evaporates my hasty and poorly executed post.

Half the problem today is that opinions now really are like a***holes.

With the growth of social media...everybody does have one...even it's often borrowed from someone else who's currently "trending".

And without an opinion, how can we jump on the latest bandwagon ?

Having formed intractable opinions without investing the appropriate amount of thought & consideration ...folks are then also incapable of giving any thought and consideration to anybody else's views or opinions to the contrary !

That's my little rant over



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Maybe this is one reason Jagger always refused doing his memoirs?

Not so.

How short can people's memory be! He did sign up to do his memoirs, got an advance, and then, for whatever reason, gave up, and returned the advance.

So using the word "always" is wrong.

Otherwise, your analysis is good.

*quote Mick Jagger NYT 2010:

“Personally,” he says, closing his eyes and pressing his hand to his chest, “I think it’s really quite tedious raking over the past. Mostly, people only do it for the money.”


Xoxo Classy tricky Mick

Isn't performing songs that are over 50 years old not raking over the past, then?

So we shouldn't listen to old songs ? ...

...or look at old paintings ?

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Doxa, I’ll add something to my rant about the intersectional left of today. The religious right is just as bad. I still say the driving force behind the double standards and moral outcries as of 2019 comes from the left. On the other hand there seems to be a response from the right.

the difference is that while the new moral right which emerged in the early 80s had significant damaging input on various arenas (media, courts) their objectives were never really in line with the media bias. In some areas however they found a common ground with 80s feminists and the marxists (the threat of Aids, porn, American rock music, American television, vidro games, films, homophobia against gay men, a sick belief in Satanic ritual killings of women and infants etc) and since journalists lean heavily to the left... you get (my) picture. And you probably have an answer that evaporates my hasty and poorly executed post.

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I guess this will be the premiere then.

[www.tribecafilm.com]

GREAT!!!

This says it all: [meaww.com]

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This says it all: [meaww.com]

It doesn't look too good for Bill. It didn't look back then and even less today.

Sadly, THE QUIET ONE docu seems to be both the victim and the cause of trouble now. It caused the old topic being hot news again. And who knows where it leads now.

- Doxa

I wonder if Bill still has got it in him, but I hope he goes full "Damn the torpedoes", and plows on ahead.