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rollmops
"Angie"is a great song; too huge for its own good but its beauty and its musical intricacies should not be diminished by its wide popularity; sometimes the mass of us get the good stuff!
Rockandroll,
Mops
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GasLightStreet
Silver Train has a similar beat. The turn around is similar to All Down The Line as well. That's what people hear in terms of how they are similar. The melody isn't similar but there are similarities at times.
It's a good enough song, a little rocker, it moves, but it's a bit flat.
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Turd On The Run
Fast Side:
Dancing With Mr D.
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Witness
Your tale, exilestones, about your approach towards the Stones and about the particular songs that gradually made a special impact with you, was a pleasure to read!
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GJV
Yes, exilestones, thank you for sharing your story. It was a fantastic read!
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Turd On The Run
I totally agree with you... I also struggle with this album in the sense that it could have been a stone-cold, epochal classic on the level of their many other masterpieces preceding it (and the few classic albums that they recorded following Goats Head Soup). The Stones, in the mid-1970's are a huge puzzlement to me because -- in popular mythology -- they hit a "creative nadir"... but in fact, if one listens to what they had recorded (not necessarily released) for/from these sessions (and those of It's Only Rock and Roll and Black and Blue) one can argue that these albums could all have been considered in their pantheon of masterworks.
Change the running order, replace some songs with B-Sides or later-released songs, and take some album cuts and relegate them to B-Sides... and suddenly their mid-70's "nadir" is an extended, spectacular peak.
For example... let's take Goats Head Soup... imagine this album in 1973 (using your concept of a fast side and a slow side):
Fast Side:
Dancing With Mr D.
Criss Cross Mind
100 Years Ago
Heartbreaker
Silver Train
Star Star
Slow Side:
Angie
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Coming Down Again
Winter
Waiting on a Friend
B-Sides:
Hide Your Love (a throwaway knock-about jam)
Can You Hear The Music (lovely... a perfect B-Side)
Now this Goats Head Soup is unarguably a masterwork.
One obvious proviso: If the Stones had done this... (and they should have) Tattoo You would not exist... but I would rather lose that album (or have them get off their asses in 1981 and record fresh material) and have all their mid-70's albums be the sparkling gems they should have been.
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exilestones
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Mick understands that Angie is beautiful and hates the sadness in Angie's eyes but it was time to say, Good bye." He remembers how sweet Angie's kisses still tasted but he had to break-up anyway. All of the dreams they had together we're going to work-out. This song is the realization of a great love that did not work out and it was very hard to end it. He remembers 'all of the nights of crying.'
It was very touching as Mick whispers in Angie's ear, "Where will It lead us from here?" Where will life take them after their plans of their life together was over. There were clouds hanging over the relationship. It wasn't like it once was.
At the end of the song Mick admits he still loves her. It's simply heartbreaking.
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Turd On The Run
I totally agree with you... I also struggle with this album in the sense that it could have been a stone-cold, epochal classic on the level of their many other masterpieces preceding it (and the few classic albums that they recorded following Goats Head Soup). The Stones, in the mid-1970's are a huge puzzlement to me because -- in popular mythology -- they hit a "creative nadir"... but in fact, if one listens to what they had recorded (not necessarily released) for/from these sessions (and those of It's Only Rock and Roll and Black and Blue) one can argue that these albums could all have been considered in their pantheon of masterworks.
Change the running order, replace some songs with B-Sides or later-released songs, and take some album cuts and relegate them to B-Sides... and suddenly their mid-70's "nadir" is an extended, spectacular peak.
For example... let's take Goats Head Soup... imagine this album in 1973 (using your concept of a fast side and a slow side):
Fast Side:
Dancing With Mr D.
Criss Cross Mind
100 Years Ago
Heartbreaker
Silver Train
Star Star
Slow Side:
Angie
Tops
Through The Lonely Nights
Coming Down Again
Winter
Waiting on a Friend
B-Sides:
Hide Your Love (a throwaway knock-about jam)
Can You Hear The Music (lovely... a perfect B-Side)
Now this Goats Head Soup is unarguably a masterwork.
One obvious proviso: If the Stones had done this... (and they should have) Tattoo You would not exist... but I would rather lose that album (or have them get off their asses in 1981 and record fresh material) and have all their mid-70's albums be the sparkling gems they should have been.
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GasLightStreet
Silver Train has a similar beat. The turn around is similar to All Down The Line as well. That's what people hear in terms of how they are similar. The melody isn't similar but there are similarities at times.
It's a good enough song, a little rocker, it moves, but it's a bit flat.
What is "it's a bit flat?" when talking about "Silver Train?"
Is Criss Cross Man flat? It seems flat to me.
Criss Cross is a bit flat as well - but a better song. Tepid is another word that would've fit with Silver Train. Or a bit lifeless. Perhaps one of their earliest 'going through the motions' sounding song.
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I appreciate everyone's input on IORR. Great group of people here.
I may know what's been said before on IORR and what you were thinking. I have been reading various Track Talks for Goats Head Soup songs. I collected many of the comments made about Goats Head Soup with more reading to come. There is unbelievably great insight here in to Goats Head Soup here on IORR. It would be cool to piece together a review and credit each member who is quoted, just like wiki.
I haven't hunted down Track Talk: Angie, yet. That's more.
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hopkins
Posted by: GasLightStreet
Date: February 16, 2019 16:48
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GasLightStreet
You are welcome indeed! Thanks!....
...regardless of their critical rating, certain songs, not having the heaviness of The Big 4 etc...Then again, maybe I'm just...
...I thought of the word "aspounding" but that may be wrong as well as maybe just being a fan of not everything Big is enough.
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ass pounding?
okaayyy....
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hopkins
Posted by: GasLightStreet
Date: February 16, 2019 16:48
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GasLightStreet
You are welcome indeed! Thanks!....
...regardless of their critical rating, certain songs, not having the heaviness of The Big 4 etc...Then again, maybe I'm just...
...I thought of the word "aspounding" but that may be wrong as well as maybe just being a fan of not everything Big is enough.
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ass pounding?
okaayyy....
No, not ass pounding. It's a word that, it may not be "aspounding", it's probably something close to that that I can't think of, that means something like 'striving to be'.
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potus43
Great review. Agreed is is one of their best
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GasLightStreet
Silver Train has a similar beat. The turn around is similar to All Down The Line as well. That's what people hear in terms of how they are similar. The melody isn't similar but there are similarities at times.
It's a good enough song, a little rocker, it moves, but it's a bit flat.
What is "it's a bit flat?" when talking about "Silver Train?"
Is Criss Cross Man flat? It seems flat to me.
Criss Cross is a bit flat as well - but a better song. Tepid is another word that would've fit with Silver Train. Or a bit lifeless. Perhaps one of their earliest 'going through the motions' sounding song.
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I appreciate everyone's input on IORR. Great group of people here.
I may know what's been said before on IORR and what you were thinking. I have been reading various Track Talks for Goats Head Soup songs. I collected many of the comments made about Goats Head Soup with more reading to come. There is unbelievably great insight here in to Goats Head Soup here on IORR. It would be cool to piece together a review and credit each member who is quoted, just like wiki.
I haven't hunted down Track Talk: Angie, yet. That's more.
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Palace Revolution 2000
In a weird way I think "Dancing w Mr D" is the key track on GHS. Not because it is great or important, but it is the one that seems to determine many opinions and stances on this album. It's an odd track because of the medium tempo. When one investigates Keith's tempos, you realize that this is one of the several core factors about the Stones - that they actually play fairly slow. "Mr D" trudges along. And most importantly in regards to the album: it is the opening track. So it sets the tine, and we never really seem to get around it because , even when criticizing the song - it doesn't work well anywhere else. Or maybe I should say: from the GHS sessions it is the only song that emerges as a reasonable opener.
I never had a problem with "Angie". Loved it from the get-go. "Silver Train" and "Angie" on TV were literally the first time I saw the Stones in motion. So there was no way I could dislike any of it.
I agree on some re-sequencing; that it makes the album stronger. One of the big head scratchers is why oh why did they leave "Criss Cross" off? Probably that one instead of "Hide your Love".
One other issue with GHS is that the guitars are not recorded very well. The Mastering and EQ. There is something really muted about them. I think "Heartbreaker" and "Silver Train" really suffer from that. With "Train" it may be that its an older track too; so maybe some generation loss was in play. But "Heartbreaker" should have been sizzling hot, but neither Keith's guitar, nor the horns, the clavinet - nothing burns at all.
Coming on the heels of "Exile" it suffers by comparison. But in the overall catalog for me it is a stellar album. "Goats Head" and "Undercover" are two often overlooked master albums.
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