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If anyone has anything bad to say about her and make negative remarks, which are defamatory - get a life The Star War Movies were Great and she she deserves her place in fame.

So it's uncool to say she was a drug addict AND ALSO that she was awesome?

Also, by most definitions I'm aware of, to be "defamatory" a remark must be false. If Carrie Fisher was not an addict and people were saying these things about her, then, that would be defamatory.

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Chris Fountain
If anyone has anything bad to say about her and make negative remarks, which are defamatory - get a life The Star War Movies were Great and she she deserves her place in fame.

So it's uncool to say she was a drug addict AND ALSO that she was awesome?

Also, by most definitions I'm aware of, to be "defamatory" a remark must be false. If Carrie Fisher was not an addict and people were saying these things about her, then, that would be defamatory.

It's just ugly because most people are judgmental of drug users. I sympathize with her struggles...I'm mad that they got the better of her, but I understand it.

A lot of people will just look down their noses at her and think she was an irresponsible nutter rather than a woman dealing with lifelong addiction and mental health issues.

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Chris Fountain
If anyone has anything bad to say about her and make negative remarks, which are defamatory - get a life The Star War Movies were Great and she she deserves her place in fame.

So it's uncool to say she was a drug addict AND ALSO that she was awesome?

Also, by most definitions I'm aware of, to be "defamatory" a remark must be false. If Carrie Fisher was not an addict and people were saying these things about her, then, that would be defamatory.

It's just ugly because most people are judgmental of drug users. I sympathize with her struggles...I'm mad that they got the better of her, but I understand it.

A lot of people will just look down their noses at her and think she was an irresponsible nutter rather than a woman dealing with lifelong addiction and mental health issues.

Yeah, I agree with that. Ugly, but not defamatory. And I also maintain that there is nothing wrong in summing up a life with painting a warts-and-all portrait. Doesn't mean that you don't love or respect or admire the subject. Just means that you are aware of the full extent of what s/he represented.

So tragic that this happened just as she was apparently set for a big role in Episode IX. She made no secret about her problems, both with addiction and mental illness, and hoped others would learn from her mistakes. She also lost a lot of weight for the new films and I have to wonder if that weakened her. Also very tragic that her mother followed her the very next day. In any case, Rest In Peace, Carrie. The world is a better place for having you and you are missed and loved.

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Another druggie

Interesting comment, coming from a username taken from an album made by druggies.

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Another druggie

Interesting comment, coming from a username taken from an album made by druggies.

NARC!!

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Another druggie

Interesting comment, coming from a username taken from an album made by druggies.

Well said

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Carrie Fisher's autopsy report found cocaine, heroin, methadone, and ecstasy in her system when she died.

That's a lethal cocktail if I've ever heard of one - wow...enough to take down an elephant!

I'm as shocked as anyone, and there seems to be a tremendous amount of sympathy for her, but for someone her age and stature this seems to be way beyond an indulgence. This is indicative of some major drug and probably alcohol abuse. I mean how do you defend that and what message does that send to the millions of kids who idolize her from Star Wars? After the last movie the Disney Store was selling toys and other things with her likeness to eight year-olds. Does she get a pass because it's not a man were taking about?

Well I cannot remember the source from 10 yeas ago but I remember Keith Richards commennting on Brian's passing; "Some folks (people?) just don't make it."

Folks will filter this thru their own value systems and personal judgement protocol, and in relation to what they've been exposed to experientially, with themselves or those folks close to them;
but pretty much what we know is what we've been selectively fed and may be missing a lot of stuff, as did the pubs who vomit this stuff out for amusement and sensation, never nearing any context about her actual medical situation or her out-reach toward many people also dealing with one of her serious illness'...
nor did they even check w their medical editor and give a scientific/chemical analysis in context.
She did a lot of service work she did not have to do, and for free. She was not always promoting a book or movie. She like ghost-writing and script-fixing. She wrote damn funny and crisp satire, edgy and a little maybe too bright in a way, from her own varied experience. She preferrd the private life of a writer most of her career; even after the super-stardom and having marketabilty always, project to project had she gone that route. It was there for her before she started; not that she didn't work hard; she has an impressive and vaired resume.

I'm not saying she's a born victim necessarily, just trying to look at a person w perspective...and kindness. Certainly she had great privilige and access. And a lot of that access was to a world of danger and hurt, as well as easy pleasure under cash protection; regardless of how pretty the flashing cameras light the scene.

She was mega-famous in the womb; in the tabloids pre-natally, daughter of the teen-screen scream-invoking Vegas pop-star / new movie star: Eddie Fisher, and mama, Debbie Reynolds, who died the DAY after her daughter!! yikes, Her brother must have lost his mind. Extreme riches and fame were never things she had to even think to strive for; she popped out with it.

She went through the broken-marriage & crazy bev hills scene, the classic hollywood poor little rich-girl stuff on her while toddling. Tabbloids a 'blisterin'...pictures of all it as it was happening. I'm sure you can go back and see movies of her in her crib and probably her parents grinning, in the very, very short while they were together after she was born. Of course she worshipped him. Of course he was gone. I think he had something else goin' on before she was born. She was born right into it. Her father had serious problems with stability issues and demon alcohol.

I guess if you saw that Meryl Streep movie she wrote you could probably say Mom had some aging movie star issues, perhaps bordering on, heh heh, full-fledged narcissm and a world of hurt...maybe the best friend and manager, maybe not the most deeply emotional available mother....maybe a of stuff with the 50's princess-goddess turning old and the baby grown to little girl turns to beautiful glowing teen and all that...a little of all that in that movie. Is it Postcard from The Edge? I'm not suer. I'll look it up and edit it in. But if you search for Meryl and Carrie and Shirley McLaine, playing the 'debbie informed' charater it will pop right up. Probably just easy clips for free on youtube as well. The writing is KILLER. The dialog is 'robin williamsISH' lightning fast, but even more graceful and timed then his shtick. Classic stuff; nobody writes quite like this. well a LOT have been inspired by it. Probably not a female screenwriter in the world who hasn't studied her I would guess.

...Carrie was amazing. Carrie was beautiful. Carrie carried her illness beautifully and walked tall. Those medicines make people blow up many dozens of pounds too; people would assume heavy people are just greedy without control or care, or responsibility; which is some b.s. right there.
She obviously knew she was the hot poster dream-girl anchor franchise myth forever with the flat stomach on millions of pre-addie boys and the hero for the girls too of course...and in that Blues Bros movie, she's mighty fine; and her spark and black humor are killer. I'm not a huge fan of that movie as time goes by; I'm a Sam And Dave fan if you know what I mean but...

.... u know...she was an easy target for casual derision w her weight, under unnatural pressure, and as she seems to be an easy tablid target after her death. Some kind of celeb circle. Everybody's addicted to something in life; and we don't even know if she was addicted per se on any of what they did report, or intentinally medically dependent on necessary prescribed medication; which in those classifications has to be constantly changed and adjusted.

I have a bro that has passed and was helped by some of these meds and really hurt by some of them on the way out as well. An early exit like Carrie, but not early statistically if one really seeks to look in perspective instead of casual assumption. And who cares anyway. A million kides who are in their forties and will always love her no matter what you love Brian Jones, and should...I think anyway....

This one went down a hero. She did a LOT of outreach she never had to do. She exposed her ass in ways she did not have to in that town; and time and time again. In some small ways, and maybe some big ways, she changed the culture a mite, as far as women who were writing and launching major projects; and had been the super star of a franchise. That's a lot of grace under pressure. On her death especially, it's sort of nice to try, at least for me; to not excuse or deny or hide; nor censor; but for me seek to examine what's my jones, what's my need that I can't negotiate, something others wouldn't understand?

Not drugs for me, or any real obvious chemical or mental thing (shut up you guys!) , but for someone with seizures it might be prescribed tranks/benzos that will kill you faster than whatever slight, barely measurable, or who knows? how significant measurement of what which may be...as per amounts of whatever in relation to wahtever,
trace or significant amounts in what tissues for how long?
and who cares, except it might honor her to do due diligance on the thing in perspective if actual research was done and published in a meaningful way with perspctive.

One more time the writers take the easy way out and publish pieces of a piece of press release. More thoughtful writers will key in as months go by, in more thougtful publiations, and research too, it could be helpful.

She had some serious chemical imbalances and was high performance anyway. If she did not have whacked chemical un-balances (immbalamnes?) or connectivity, or upregulars worn and whacked, or whatever that neuro stuff before treatment,
then she surely did once taking all that the doctors gave her to help.

Glad everyones a coroner, drug counselor, priest, philosopher and family member, pain management specialist; or heavens to betsy, the culture of maniac rehab-industry self-certified bozos....cause I'm guessin' we really know jack shit about her unless we stop looking at our own selves and projecting.

And if she was a straight-out junkie like Keith, Charlie, Taylor, Jimmy Miller, and whatever crack Ron was smoking while he was drinking; or whatever loopy de loo Brian was cranking, or not...I could care less. She never had to work one day in her whole life. People were in her shit before she was born when you think about it. Then it was tabloid bonanza all the way out and since and forever I guess.

I was too old for Princess Leia and all that. I took my little one who is now a big one to see it tho. So I'm not into that trilogy or any of that. If Spock's not showing up I'm not showing up. But she was more than a Hollywood Princess born and bred (to dysfunction) she really was a star of sorts; probably like the Wizard of Oz movie was for mega-millions in it's time, through the forties and fifties...she's going to have little girls modeling her for generations to come; and I hope they have her dolls and like her character's power. And read her books; and appreciate her contributions to mental health sufferers.
She showed up and did more than her job. This 'grown-up' confusions won't matter to the bottom line.
The force is with her.



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After the last movie the Disney Store was selling toys and other things with her likeness to eight year-olds. Does she get a pass because it's not a man were taking about?

You're confusing the actress with the character. Princess Leia doesn't have substance abuse issues (as far as I know, only having seen the original Star Wars).

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After the last movie the Disney Store was selling toys and other things with her likeness to eight year-olds. Does she get a pass because it's not a man were taking about?

You're confusing the actress with the character. Princess Leia doesn't have substance abuse issues (as far as I know, only having seen the original Star Wars).

They were also selling Keith the Pirate action figures when he was in the Pirates of the Carribean, and Keith's history with substance abuse is common knowledge.
Never saw the movie, but I assume his pirate character might have been a heavy rum drinker?



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They were also selling Keith the Pirate action figures when he was in the Pirates of the Carribean, and Keith's history with substance abuse is common knowledge.
Never saw the movie, but I assume his pirate character might have been a heavy rum drinker?

And a bit of arthritis to go with that skull ring. He might have needed the help of a first mate to steer the ship, to cover for him, as well as some unnamed crew member hidden below decks.

Come to think of it, that look really does suit Keith. He should grow a beard for real and keep that dreadlock wig -- it might cover up a few more deficits as well, so that he doesn't look like a Bowery bum that crawled up out of a Marlboro gutter.

In fact, all the Stones should have such a Pirates makeover. They might look a bit more timeless, more like rock outlaws rather than tax scofflaws.

They might even consider pirating the vaults a bit more...

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LOL and THAT looks like Ringo to me!

I really don't think any jokes should be made concerning anyone's death.

Carrie Fisher opened up about her demons — and knew she wouldn't have a Hollywood ending

The actress was rushed to the hospital after she went into cardiac arrest Dec. 23 on an L.A.-bound flight. (June 19, 2017)
Joe Mozingo, Soumya Karlamangla and Richard Winton
L.A. Times 7/29/17

Carrie Fisher never said she had conquered her problems. The quintessential child of Tinseltown never expected a Hollywood ending. She talked openly and often about her 45-year-long fight with bipolar disorder, alcoholism and drug addiction, explaining how opioids in particular "dialed down" her manic episodes.
She shared, in her distinctive brand of gallows humor, such episodes as Dan Aykroyd performing the Heimlich maneuver on her after she got so wasted she choked on a Brussels sprout. She wrote about getting her stomach pumped and receiving electroconvulsive therapy.
While many young stars who have died from drug abuse became mythologized, stuck in an immortal fast lane, Fisher laid out the much more ragged and tedious reality of a constant struggle that millions of Americans fight.

A coroner's report released Monday about her death in December said alcohol, cocaine, heroin and ecstasy were found in her system. Although the pathologists could not conclude how toxic the drug levels were or how they affected her death, their use after so much medical intervention and therapy testifies to the sheer relentlessness of Fisher's battle.

“Unfortunately there are so many Americans and people across the world who are suffering from addiction and mental health problems, and her life truly highlights how devastating addiction and mental health problems can be as a disease,” said Adam Leventhal, director of USC's Health, Emotion, and Addiction Laboratory.
Carrie Fisher lived in rarefied circles — the daughter of Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher, the actress best known as Princess Leia in the blockbuster “Star Wars” franchise.
Fisher’s willingness to talk about her mental illness helped destigmatize it for many ordinary Americans, and likely led to more people talking to their friends and family about their feelings, and eventually seeking treatment, said Leventhal.

He said the problem is that many mind-altering substances — alcohol, methamphetamine, ecstasy, cocaine, heroin — “trick the human brain into believing” they’re needed to feel right.
"Drugs made me feel more normal," Fisher told Psychology Today in 2001. "They contained me."

Her drug of choice was Percodan, an opioid medication that became available in the 1970s. At her lowest point, she was popping 30 Percodan a day, she told the magazine. "You don't even get high. It's like a job, you punch in," she recalled. "I was lying to doctors and looking through people's drawers and medicine cabinets for drugs."
By 28, she landed in the hospital with a tube down her throat to pump her stomach, because she was not conscious enough to tell doctors what she was on.

Battling bipolar disorder, looking for relief

In recovery, she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. It was the second time in four years. The first time, she ignored it, feeling the diagnosis just gave her an excuse for her moral failings as a privileged child turned drug abuser. This time, she accepted it and got treatment for it and her addictions.

She went on to write about the rehab experience in her bestselling, semiautobiographical novel, “Postcards From the Edge.”

An estimated 6 million Americans have bipolar disorder. At least half of those “have a lifetime alcohol use disorder and about one third have a lifetime drug use disorder,” said Samuel A. Ball, the president and chief executive of the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Medications for pain, anxiety, and sleep can be often misused in an attempt to self-medicate the emotional pain, agitation, or sleep problems that accompany either the manic phase or the depressive phase of bipolar illness.”

With treatment, Fisher took nearly two dozen pills a day, sometimes reluctantly for fear of stifling a bout of creativity that came with the mania. She also told interviewers that writing gave her a way to channel her hyperactive mind.

She became a prolific author and script doctor, and her comic, self-flagellating tales of excess seemed to be rooted in the past.

"There is treatment and a variety of medications that can alleviate your symptoms if you are manic depressive or depressive," Fisher told USA Today in 2002. "You can lead a normal life, whatever that is. I have gotten to the point where I can live a normal life, where my daughter can rely on me for predictable behavior, and that's very important to me."

Many were inspired by her message. Charlotte Horton, a 20-year-old student at the University of Cincinnati, said she felt isolated as a teenager after she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, anxiety and depression. She didn’t have any friends to talk to about her illness and felt as though she would never achieve anything in life.

Then she found online articles about Fisher and Demi Lovato, a singer and actress who’s also spoken out about living with bipolar disorder.
“Looking at people who had it gave me a sense of I’m not alone when times are tough,” Horton said. “I can become successful. I can make my own story rather than just let my mental illness control my life.”

Fisher was in a highly productive period of her life before she died. She just finished filming the “Star Wars” sequel “The Last Jedi.” HBO released a documentary about her relationship with her mother, “Bright Lights: Starring Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds.” And she was touring to promote her latest bestseller, “The Princess Diarist.”

Fisher stopped breathing Dec. 23 on a flight from London to Los Angeles. Her assistant told authorities that Fisher slept most of the flight and had a few episodes of sleep apnea during the journey, which was usual, the coroner’s report said. Toward the end of the flight, Fisher could not be stirred awake, the report said. A few minutes later, she began vomiting profusely and slumped over, the report said.
She was taken to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where she was placed on a ventilator and died four days later.

The urge to self-medicate

Steve Sussman, professor of preventive medicine, psychology and social work at USC, said it’s hard to know what pushed Fisher toward drug use in the few days before her death, but the decision to use is often a response to stress. The mind associates positive feelings with a drug, and then seeks out that drug to self-medicate.
“Everything is moment by moment with addicts,” he said.

Natasha Tracy, who blogs about mental illness and wrote the book “Lost Marbles: Insights Into My Life With Depression & Bipolar,” called Fisher “a bright light” for people who struggle with mental illness.
More than just opening up about it, Fisher showed that she could have a family and a career, and write books and do stand-up comedy.

“I think it makes it easier to come out with your own struggles. Look, people with mental illness aren’t just crazy people.... People with mental illnesses have lives and can in fact achieve great things,” she said.

Tracy said that since she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder nearly two decades ago, she’s found comfort in others speaking out about their illnesses. She recalled reading about Fisher having a manic episode while performing stand-up on a cruise.
“That moment alone is such a teachable moment because it says that no matter how badly your mental illness screws up your life and it can be very, very, very, bad you can come back from it and you can continue on with the life that you want.”
Tracy said the fact that Fisher died with drugs in her system doesn’t tarnish her legacy of resilience and tenacity in battling mental illness.

“You can fight and fight and fight and fight and fight and sometimes you lose,” she said. “If anything it shows how much pain and how much struggle she had that she had overcome for such a long time. … The end is really unfortunate but all of the in between is amazing.”

[www.latimes.com]