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Where is that post a few pages back, that mentions some rc exec mediating between Mick and Keef? Can’t find it.
Sure it was this thread? Can't remember such a post but I may have missed a page or two out of the 163 ...
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I remember posts (by georgelicks, I think) saying that Universal execs weren't totally happy with what they've heard of the new material, something along the lines of uneven or unbalanced, and part of it only mediocre stuff. But that's already old news.
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JumpingKentFlash
Where is that post a few pages back, that mentions some rc exec mediating between Mick and Keef? Can’t find it.
Sure it was this thread? Can't remember such a post but I may have missed a page or two out of the 163 ...
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I remember posts (by georgelicks, I think) saying that Universal execs weren't totally happy with what they've heard of the new material, something along the lines of uneven or unbalanced, and part of it only mediocre stuff. But that's already old news.
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I thought it was Getta Grip/England Lost that the execs listened to, and then decided to have Mick release them as a test since Keith wanted nothing to do with them.
Not sure how accurate that story is, but that's what was reported somewhere back in this thread.
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@Ian,
I'm just reporting what I seem to remember having read either in this thread or elsewhere on IORR a year back or maybe even two. Maybe they weren't execs but merely "people at Universal" who heard (some of) the material someway or other and have an oppinion of it, or whatever. That's also where I got the reportedly great "soul" tune from, I remember that as having been mentioned somewhere, some time back. Maybe I'm misremembering. Unfortunately I don't keep an inventory of things I read here so I can't point you toward a specific post (and I don't want to blame everything I misremember on georgelicks, either ).
Whoever heard, or listened to something, if anyone ever listened to anything, this must largely have been demos, unless the had, say, one, two or three songs already in a more polished state back then. I don't think they would play their backing tracks to anyone for evaluation - unless they're forced to and that's all they got. Seems very unlikely. In case Universal had anything to do with it on a more official level - that is, beyond some people there just having had a chance to get a glimpse of what they recorded and having offered their personal oppinion - if Universal does the distribution only, would they have the power to ask for a preview of the new material? I don't know how these deals are done, meaning would Uiversal have any loss of invested money if the album turned out a lead bar in the shelf? If they just do the distribution, there's sure a smaller percentage to be earned from the distribution but otherwise? On the other hand, wasn't there an advance of 2.000.000 lb to the Stones? In other terms, anyone who has a better idea than I how this business works might shed some light on what Universal can or cannot ask from the Stones.
@Hairball,
wasn't that just Keith rejecting these songs as not Stones material, and Mick deciding after that to release them on his own? (Not too sure what was actually reported and what was just speculation here.)
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Hairball
I thought it was Getta Grip/England Lost that the execs listened to, and then decided to have Mick release them as a test since Keith wanted nothing to do with them.
Not sure how accurate that story is, but that's what was reported somewhere back in this thread.
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Well there was hear-say that there were some good songs and some mediocre songs and that the group of tracks were uneven .. not cohesive according to execs who heard the stuff.
The story you mention about GAG and EL sounds to make more sense.
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Georgelicks knows the projection of what Universal intends' ..or plans on when it comes to The Stones plenty more than any of us on the board... he is really our only guy with any insight to the inside of the situation
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doitywoik
Whoever heard, or listened to something, if anyone ever listened to anything, this must largely have been demos, unless the had, say, one, two or three songs already in a more polished state back then.
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@Hairball,
wasn't that just Keith rejecting these songs as not Stones material, and Mick deciding after that to release them on his own? (Not too sure what was actually reported and what was just speculation here.)
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Hairball
I thought it was Getta Grip/England Lost that the execs listened to, and then decided to have Mick release them as a test since Keith wanted nothing to do with them.
Not sure how accurate that story is, but that's what was reported somewhere back in this thread.
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Hairball
I thought it was Getta Grip/England Lost that the execs listened to, and then decided to have Mick release them as a test since Keith wanted nothing to do with them.
Not sure how accurate that story is, but that's what was reported somewhere back in this thread.
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IanBillen
Was simply meanin .. that we only know 'certain' things for sure and that there is so much speculation ..with so little to go on about the material .. the album .. and everything surrounding it (one big mystery) any or all of it could be true is all I was meaning.
*I look for posts by you and Georgelicks all the time for tidbits or new info. Some of it was reported here well before it happened such as with Blue & Lonesome .. and it was correct.
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Hairball
But I will say, if any of that is true - that the Stones have to bend to the desires and opinions of Universal execs, then it's a sad day.
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It was mentioned by someone (probably georglicks again?) that the Stones are so far down the priority list in comparison to the hot young artists of today - they've got their focus on the young market, not a bunch of classic rock/Stones fans who yearn for another Stones album.
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doitywoik
Thanks, Rockman! So Keith's rejection of the tracks is backed up by the secondary literature! I was not aware of that quote from Uncut.
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I thought it was Getta Grip/England Lost that the execs listened to, and then decided to have Mick release them as a test since Keith wanted nothing to do with them.
Not sure how accurate that story is, but that's what was reported somewhere back in this thread.
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Haha yeah - I knew for a fact that Keith rejected them, and there's times I try to find one of your posts just so I can cite the quote accurately.
But I'm still not sure how accurate the story is about Universal sending out Getta Grip/England Lost though.
Not that I don't believe the person who said it happened, or that it actually might have happened, just that it seems like an odd experiment.
Universal exec: "Lets put out two really crappy songs and see if they make a dent in the pop charts"
The general public: "Uh...no thanks...they really suck"...and I could have probably told Universal that before they wasted all the money on promotion and videos.
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Gotta Get A Grip / England Lost was also released on CD and vinyl LP, though.
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Gotta Get A Grip / England Lost was also released on CD and vinyl LP, though.
Of course it was - they would have been stupid if they have forgotten the Stones 'completists'... But the distribution for those was rather lousy. The completists would find them anyhow...
Funnily, now to think of it: I have never even seen a physical copy of it...
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Gotta Get A Grip / England Lost was also released on CD and vinyl LP, though.
Of course it was - they would have been stupid if they have forgotten the Stones 'completists'... But the distribution for those was rather lousy. The completists would find them anyhow...
Funnily, now to think of it: I have never even seen a physical copy of it...
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I bought the vinyl edition. Most expensive two song-release ever!
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I would say that from Beggars to It's Only Rock 'n Roll there's absolutely no filler (except maybe Short and Curlies), but that's just my opinion based on those albums being embedded in my brain as full albums. Black and Blue has some filler, while Some Girls doesnt. Emotional Rescue has filler, while Tattoo You doesn't. After that, all albums have more fillers than keepers imo - Blue and Lonesome maybe an exception as it's more of a novelty album of classic blues tunes - and all of those original tunes by the original artists are in no way filler by any definition.
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I would say that from Beggars to It's Only Rock 'n Roll there's absolutely no filler (except maybe Short and Curlies), but that's just my opinion based on those albums being embedded in my brain as full albums. Black and Blue has some filler, while Some Girls doesnt. Emotional Rescue has filler, while Tattoo You doesn't. After that, all albums have more fillers than keepers imo - Blue and Lonesome maybe an exception as it's more of a novelty album of classic blues tunes - and all of those original tunes by the original artists are in no way filler by any definition.
Am I the first to say I love Short and Curlies and no it's not filler?